Not to mention the Iowa fans claiming Zain’s riding on top was stalling, only to relish when Eirerman locked in his legs against Nick Lee.
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2021 B1G Tournament
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Did you watch him over the past few years? As an undersized 125 he was, let's say underwhelming at best. Many in that situation get typcast, lose confidence and don't grow. I thought his jump this year was commendable and impressive. My hat's off to him for an outstanding year so far.
Listen, I just came on to talk some light hearted trash after a fun weekend. I think I post here often enough for most to know that I'm not a bad faith actor. I'm totally fine with you guys talking trash back.
All right, I was the one who made the juvenile Fat Tony comment. It was not cool and I shouldn't have said it. I also underestimated him vs Kerk, who is underweight at this time and not at full fitness following rehab from some type of injury. Cass completely kicked his butt and Kerk had nothing for him. Props to Cass. Right now he is in a tier on his own after Gable and Parris.
That said, let's not begin to pretend that calling a kid fat compares with the stuff I've read on HR about Zain, Cael, Ruth, and many more. Steroids, cheating, not caring about his own wrestlers, lying to kids and parents and on and on and on.
So please, spare this false equivalency BS. What I wrote, and wish I hadn't, isn't even in the same stratosphere as some of the stuff I've read on HR.
That said, let's not begin to pretend that calling a kid fat compares with the stuff I've read on HR about Zain, Cael, Ruth, and many more. Steroids, cheating, not caring about his own wrestlers, lying to kids and parents and on and on and on.
So please, spare this false equivalency BS. What I wrote, and wish I hadn't, isn't even in the same stratosphere as some of the stuff I've read on HR.
I really wasn't trying to start anything. Just a little friendly ribbing. I'm not going to defend the past several years of frustrated hawkeye fans.
Looking forward to NCAA's. Should be wild. This is has to be the least predictable tournament we'll ever have right?
Cassar was a 5th year Senior and just turned 23 when he won his title in 2019. If Iowa returns everyone from this years team, they’d have two 7th year “Seniors”(Kemerer and Eierman), two 6th year Seniors(Young and Marinelli) and four 5th Year Seniors(Lee, Murin, Warner and Desanto). 😳
Maybe, but I don't think the experience gap can be overstated.
At the start of the season the Hawkeye starting line-up averaged 62 varsity matches per wrestler. The PSU starting line-up had an average of 19 varsity matches. 6 of our wrestlers were in their 1st post season action this weekend. 8 of Iowa's wrestlers were competing in their 3th or 4th post season.
Iowa has a very good team. I'm not trying to diminish what they accomplished this weekend, but there is no denying that age/experience is a major factor this year ... there is no way to spin it any other way.
If the future is now your very happy to be an Iowa fan.
If the future is the next 4 years your happy to be a PSU fan.
If your future is not now or the next four years you are everyone else.
Also imagine for a moment being the annual recruiting champs and yet only placing 9th in your conference.....
If the future is the next 4 years your happy to be a PSU fan.
If your future is not now or the next four years you are everyone else.
Also imagine for a moment being the annual recruiting champs and yet only placing 9th in your conference.....
It's funny.
Session 1 we got off to a slow start ... several Hawk fans came over to gloat.
Session II we made a nice run and closed the gap ... Hawk fans were nowhere to be seen or heard.
Session IV Iowa clinches the title ... Hawk fans are crawling on our board like ants on a jelly roll.
Session 1 we got off to a slow start ... several Hawk fans came over to gloat.
Session II we made a nice run and closed the gap ... Hawk fans were nowhere to be seen or heard.
Session IV Iowa clinches the title ... Hawk fans are crawling on our board like ants on a jelly roll.
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Many Iowa fans are like cicadas. They only come around here to gloat every 17 years or so, but when they do they’re a pain in the ass.
It's a sign of insecurity.
When winning the title isn't enough, then it's not about winning the title in the first place.
Have a question about Beard. Having not known anything about him prior to last year, I believe I had read a lot of people saying he was a “hammer” on top. I love nothing more than watching a Zain style wrestler turn people mercilessly and don’t expect Beard to be that, but I haven’t seen anything from him in that regard. Can anyone speculate on what’s happened there?
I think from what I’ve seen this year he has a lot of tools and is very close to being great from neutral but curious where his top game went. Can’t wait to see him the next 4 years and think he will be great with some more experience.
I think from what I’ve seen this year he has a lot of tools and is very close to being great from neutral but curious where his top game went. Can’t wait to see him the next 4 years and think he will be great with some more experience.
I would say so... goes with the least predictable season!... Don't jinx the NCAAs
He was never a pinner like Zain -- he was a tilter who could ring up swipes in bunches.
He's like nearly every HS wrestler who finds it harder to keep college wrestlers broken down. The progression is almost always: learn to ride, then learn to score. It often takes more than 1 year as the starter.
His finish against Hoffman was encouraging. Obviously that didn't come from top position. But he didn't instinctively reach back for Hoffman's foot -- he's been working on the bow and arrow in practice.
I just want to say I was not here after Session 2 because I had a prior commitment, not because I was unwilling to eat crow.
Now that is some great coaching. The only positive about having no one there is the little nuggets you get to hear that you otherwise wouldn’t have been able to.
I guess Iowans can now cheer for their pro teams. Whoops! They won the B1G with Pa. natives & transfer-ins. If you count all the Hawks nat'l titles outside of the grapplers I don't even think it's 5. It's there only hope for the top shelf. It's there only hope! If I have one thing to say to them, it's I hope your farmers rebound from that devastating derecho.
I think the Iowa wrestling fans are just fine with being top shelf in wrestling. 😀
31 “‘My son,’ the father said, ‘you are always with me, and everything I have is yours. 32 But we had to celebrate and be glad, ........and as for a hawk, he ain't so bad.
Relax 82, we all here think you're the #1 seed.
Not even being funny, osu’s finish is surprising. Maybe Tom wrestled them too much this year?
Experience and basic “man strength”. How many times did ESPN show the pictures of Kemerer his first year and this year? Saying a team benefits from age and experience is not diminishing their accomplishments.
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This "free" year is going to make for some interesting decisions for many wrestlers for the next few years. Not all will choose an extra year of college wrestling over moving on to the next phase of their lives. Several of Iowa's wrestlers will make that choice for next year. Penn State wrestlers will need to make the same choice down the line.
The "free" year for current wrestlers also will have a big impact on recruiting and scholarship availability. It presents some interesting decision making for the coaches.
The "free" year for current wrestlers also will have a big impact on recruiting and scholarship availability. It presents some interesting decision making for the coaches.
Dude, just stop. This kind of stupid crap is what poisons boards like HR. Don’t bring that trash over here. We are better than that.
yeah, it's a great feeling. we've been there for a decade. enjoy, after next year, you'll be irrelevant for the next one, too
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I didn't think I could be more impressed with Aaron Brooks but he turned up the dial to 11 this weekend! My heart sank when he came up hobbling in the Hannibal Brands match. Any one of us would likely be sidelined and on crutches with that injury. But AB just willed himself to the win and then came back out for a double encore to make winning a Big Ten title look easy.
And that match with Venz!! Jeez Louise. Venz is a streaky, strong, dangerous wrestler who has been on a tear for the past few weeks. But AB made him look like, well, the rest of the field. Feeling blessed to have Aaron represent PSU on and off the mat.
And that match with Venz!! Jeez Louise. Venz is a streaky, strong, dangerous wrestler who has been on a tear for the past few weeks. But AB made him look like, well, the rest of the field. Feeling blessed to have Aaron represent PSU on and off the mat.
I wish there was a third board, a shared cesspool for the loonies from both sides to wallow in.
I agree. Every story/situation is different, but shades of Molinaro or Nolf! Nearly all wrestlers have nuisance injuries at this time of the year, Aaron's, at the time, looked like it could have been bad.
As far as the Venz match, Aaron wrestled a very tactical/strategic match, he wrestled smart. Venz is a dangerous wrestler; a big move guy, and a pinner. Aaron kept great position, never really in trouble, even with a bandaged ankle.
Actually Roar had me thinking about this as I was watching the Big10s and reading the February 2021 Penn State Wrestling Club edition.
I can not remember being at the NCAAs or Big10s and not stopping to look up the PSWC tournament brackets to gather information I was missing. Using it to catch up on team scores, finding out who advanced or dropped and most importantly for me, what teams were still in contention for the title. What a great web site the club provides. As Roar wrote in that addition, the Niebel family deserves all the credit.
I thank the Niebels and any other supporting cast making the program the best in the Country.
I can not remember being at the NCAAs or Big10s and not stopping to look up the PSWC tournament brackets to gather information I was missing. Using it to catch up on team scores, finding out who advanced or dropped and most importantly for me, what teams were still in contention for the title. What a great web site the club provides. As Roar wrote in that addition, the Niebel family deserves all the credit.
I thank the Niebels and any other supporting cast making the program the best in the Country.
I could be mistaken - but who won last year? Who's going to win again next year? Those 17 years sure did fly by!
And by the way, PSU fans find their way to HR just as often. It's just they don't have an awful lot to gloat about this weekend.
With $ management issues the free year will cause, and the “presence” of the portal, I wonder if the number of good free agents will see a one time blip.
Also the extended dead period for recruiting. I bet more than 1 freshman will decide his decision was hasty.
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