Sore loser is not a nice look.
They have a terrific lineup, and ours is very good with a lot of improvement ahead.
2021 B1G Tournament
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They have a terrific lineup, and ours is very good with a lot of improvement ahead.
Hmmmm........ If only we could set up a promotion-relegation system for habitually offending posters.
And you guys will be able to do the same thing in a couple years. It's not cheating for the hawks to use their available eligibility. The only difference is the timing.
I’ll double that sentiment. Be classy or be gone.
And if you are over 21 and posting that kind of dribble, please grow up, for your sake.
No one won last year - you get what you earn.
That said if we had a season last year, you guys would have rolled unless some calamity happened, then been favorites this year, but your mass graduations would have then happened this year without the free year.
All those PA kids in the finals from other teams. My family was asking why. Spencer was a unique case, but with most of these kids, we had $$ tied up with Nolf, Nickal, Hall, Rutherford, etc. Trade? No way!
Congrats to the Hawks! They wrestled very, very well. They will score a lot of points this year at Nationals. While we were crushing it, Brands said, they had to get better and they did. We have to get better, and we will. At least I hope there is a plan..........
Congrats to the Hawks! They wrestled very, very well. They will score a lot of points this year at Nationals. While we were crushing it, Brands said, they had to get better and they did. We have to get better, and we will. At least I hope there is a plan..........
Nobody won last year we are still the defending champions. Of course you can claim a title that you didn't earn if you want but I'm sure no respect comes with that kind of title.
The free year is going to present challenges to all the top programs, just a matter of the timing, for PSU it is probably 2 to 3 years away. I will say that all this talk of this guy or that guy coming back next year, for now is just talk. Somebody planning on coming back may be told "not so fast".
There will be plenty of interesting conversations that take place in late March through April that decide who stays. Coaches will have to balance scholarship money (no guarantee with the huge budget deficits that scholarship money stays the same), recruiting, getting young guys into the lineup. For example, a stud recruit who was expecting to start next year may now be blocked resulting in a possible transfer or yanking the established starter's scholarship money.
Then there is the fact that just about everybody is on a partial scholarship, which means that pay money to wrestle since they have to attend class. Some could say time to get on with my life and get a job or go to a RTC and get paid to wrestle.
There will also be games played to reduce the out of pocket costs and extend scholarship money. Be a TA, or not enroll for the fall semester to save cash.
Going to be very interesting.
A Prodigal Son reference in a wrestling thread? Who woulda' thunk it? 😎 If this keeps up maybe I can count my time reading these threads as part of my Bible reading time!
Thank you, my friend! It was a hard fought battle, and the reality is that many of the critical matches (those not involving S. Lee, RBY, Kem, Brooks and Steveson) could have gone either way. NCAAs should be a dogfight. Hopefully the committee will invite both our 49ers to the party so we have a full compliment just like Mizzou, who faced some pretty weak (at certain weights) competition at the MAC tourney to win auto bids. Mizzou in the MAC for wrestling is such a joke, and not exactly fair for the other schools...and not fair for the NCAA wrestling tourney when auto bids were handed out based on stats having nothing to do with this year's rankings. We'll see what gives when the seeds are handed out Wednesday.
Isn't it crazy how that works. And the reality was - and I watched both those matches a couple times - that Eierman was stalling. I mean how many shots did Eierman take? And even Eierman said in his post-match comments that he should have been better offensively in the match. And yes, RBY was playing cat and mouse and doing the Ali shuffle a bit, and sure he probably could have been called for stalling towards the end of the match, but he was just as active during the match as DeSanto. Like you said, fans are fans, no matter where you go. And you can hate the style, but why be hateful towards the kid who has busted his balls to get to that level? And also, it's up to the refs to make those calls, not the wrestler so why hate him. It'll be interesting to see Fix-RBY in the finals. Would love to see ADS make it but it's going to be tough. And if the whole hand injury isn't healed by then I think he's going to have a tough time making the podium. He barely beat the kid from Ill, who ADS beat 18-6 five weeks earlier. We (Iowa) need him to be competitive!!
I'm telling you, I was plenty nervous even going into the 1/3/5 finals on Sunday. It was definitely a hard fought battle and I'm thinking it's going to be much closer in St. Louis. Big kudos to the kids from both programs who brought home the gold. And isn't it awesome that we got to spend the weekend watching college wrestling, and that we get to do it again in two weeks!
I was thinking the same thing. Thankfully, whatever occurred during the Brands match was one of those short term injuries we've all had at some point and that it didn't affect his tourney, and more importantly won't affect his NCAA run! I don't see anyone beating him...
I'm with you and think NCAAs will be a real dogfight between the two programs. And yes, Spencer is fun as hell to watch!! And at times I feels sorry for the poor guy because he has to read some of the crap our guys post on HR, freaking out because it took Spencer the better part of two or three periods to TF the Mich and Purdue kids. Now they (the strange few) have crazy expectations that poor Spencer should be pinning everyone in the first period. Even the all time greats didn't win by fall or TF every match. LOL! Some fans are just plain silly!!
Can't wait for NCAAs!!
If DeSanto's hand isn't right, Phillippi is a bad draw.Isn't it crazy how that works. And the reality was - and I watched both those matches a couple times - that Eierman was stalling. I mean how many shots did Eierman take? And even Eierman said in his post-match comments that he should have been better offensively in the match. And yes, RBY was playing cat and mouse and doing the Ali shuffle a bit, and sure he probably could have been called for stalling towards the end of the match, but he was just as active during the match as DeSanto. Like you said, fans are fans, no matter where you go. And you can hate the style, but why be hateful towards the kid who has busted his balls to get to that level? And also, it's up to the refs to make those calls, not the wrestler so why hate him. It'll be interesting to see Fix-RBY in the finals. Would love to see ADS make it but it's going to be tough. And if the whole hand injury isn't healed by then I think he's going to have a tough time making the podium. He barely beat the kid from Ill, who ADS beat 18-6 five weeks earlier. We (Iowa) need him to be competitive!!
Phillippi is lanky, drops to knees to discourage shots, and works Russian ties hard -- on the right arm, which is DeSanto's injured hand. His hand fighting tends to be far out in front -- grabbing one hand and then working into the Russian. He's a very good counter wrestler (beat Fix on a re-attack). And if he gets on top, he's a leech.
Beard gave Amine everything he could handle, and that match could have easily gone the other way. And despite the fact they will affect his NCAA seed, I don't give those final two losses much weight at all. I can see how a kid would have a let down after a tough loss like that and not regain his mojo, if you will. We as fans hate it, but it's certainly not uncommon. As an Iowa fan, we don't have to look very far to see the same thing with our stud, Marinelli, who lost by fall and MD at the 2018 NCAAs after losing a tough match to IMAR, I can't imagine the pressure these kids face at this level, but I can easily imagine how disappointed such a tough loss would be and how hard it would have to be to get mentally focused on wrestling for the proverbial consolation prize when you had your heart, mind, and soul set on bringing home the gold. I think Beard will have significantly different results in St Louis than he did this past weekend. As for Howard, 125 is wide open after Spencer, though don't know about the 2 kids from VA Tech and NC State, and if he wrestles his best I could easily see him on the podium. I'm sure Cael and Company will have them both mentally ready to go.
Concur 100 percent. ADS is going to have a tough time if he's still having an issue come tourney time. And Iowa really needs those points as I think NCAAs will be a real dogfight.
Thank you, my friend! It was a hard fought battle, and the reality is that many of the critical matches (those not involving S. Lee, RBY, Kem, Brooks and Steveson) could have gone either way. NCAAs should be a dogfight. Hopefully the committee will invite both our 49ers to the party so we have a full compliment just like Mizzou, who faced some pretty weak (at certain weights) competition at the MAC tourney to win auto bids. Mizzou in the MAC for wrestling is such a joke, and not exactly fair for the other schools...and not fair for the NCAA wrestling tourney when auto bids were handed out based on stats having nothing to do with this year's rankings. We'll see what gives when the seeds are handed out Wednesday.
Max is a lock for the at large. Beau from all reports basically has no shot. Max just ran into two hot hands who managed to launch him (which is surprising because Max is not a wrestler you can simply throw around).
The beauty of wrestling (whether it's happening for or against your guy) is an otherwise even match can be totally flipped in just a few seconds!
The "Beau is out" talk, including from me, is about Crooks and Scott and Bartlett being a near toss-up for that coveted last spot based on the model used by the NCAA. No one has said yet it's an absolute fact that Beau won't get in. I'm still hopeful.
We'll see what happens, but can't lose sight of the process, even if Beau becomes an alternate. Alirez went 0-2 and was injured at Pac-12's, and Cobb didn't go at EIWA's. The Cobb story is moot if it was due to Covid protocol, leaving the Alirez story still a factor.
That is the beauty indeed, and unless you're a Lee, Steveson, Brook type of wrestler it can almost be impossible to come back, just as Murin found out. That's what we love about the B10s and NCAAs...anything can happen. In one of the weights this year, we could see another Mekhi Lewis surprise the field. I hope it doesn't happen to us (LOL), but there's certainly a decent chance it will happen, especially this year. I can potentially see Ferrari do it at 97 if the field isn't ready for him...
I was a chubby 180 pounds as a senior., ran my keister off that summer and hit 165. by the time I was 24, I was 220 and solid and that happened without a Division 1 weight room, training table, nutritionist and coach. Cocaine Shane and the crew act like he's the first kid that gained 25 pounds after high school to his mid 20's.
Now that I'm over 50, I wish my knees could handle running and let me drop 30 and get down to 220 again.
Try biking. It's much easier on the knees and you can burn off weight really effectively. Plus it's fun and relaxing, especially if you do it with a group of people.
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There’s no lion in the photo because AgSurfer is holding the camera.
I have come to really like DeSanto. At first I figured him to be another Gilman however over time I can tell that's not fair. Thomas went out way to cause a stir while I think Austin truly goes into his matches with the goal of controlling his emotions and sometime he just can't. He took his loss to RBY like a man despite dealing with an injury that could of put him in a bad mindset.
Funny you say that because I feel the same way. ADS sure looks like he is making every effort to hold himself to good behavior. I have become a big fan myself. I hate the idea of Iowa but they have so many guys I like individually I end up for them way too much. Sadly they really don't have a guy I don't like. I'm hoping they recruit a few real A holes soon.
Nelson Brands strikes me as a prick. Seems to have a bit of high school bully in him. Maybe it’s just his face - that’s a face to typecast as “high school bully #1”
His semi final was just as impressive. The IL kid was trying to bait him into some stuff and AD just ignored it and was very cordial after the match was over. Credit to AD & the coaching staff. Hopefully it lasts.
Looking at his coaches, especially Terry, it's even more amazing that AD has gained control of his emotions.
That is funny. I know Nelson and like him. He was raised by a mad man, so some of the crazy is bound to come out once in awhile. The last time I saw Abe Assad he was wearing a mask and visiting a hawkeye fan who had just had a surgery for cancer, so I really don't want him in the starting role. I really wanted to dislike the bull, but he is so damn sweet when you see him signing stuff for little kids that killed my hope. It is an inside joke to many of my old buddies who want to hate Iowa. We miss Gilman. We miss Mike Evans. How am I supposed to hate Kaleb Young or Kemdog? The shame
Chickenman,
I know what you're saying about Nelson Brands, but you should come up with another descriptor besides "p#@!k". He is still a 20 year old kid. We would hate to see that kind of talk about any of our kids here or anywhere else. I know you didn't mean to be mean spirited about it, but it comes off that way.
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Or is it because the lion thinks biking is waaaay overrated? 🤣😂
There’s no lion in the photo because AgSurfer is holding the camera.
It looks like June in Pittsburgh!
There’s no lion in the photo because AgSurfer is holding the camera.
IIRC he's older than Billy George was.Chickenman,
I know what you're saying about Nelson Brands, but you should come up with another descriptor besides "p#@!k". He is still a 20 year old kid. We would hate to see that kind of talk about any of our kids here or anywhere else. I know you didn't mean to be mean spirited about it, but it comes off that way.
Also his biting was far less egregious than that knee lift.
But if somebody has to wear the black hat, he's the top contender.
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