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2021 Recruiting Class Thread

mrmk5110 said:
Then would you say this program has been doing a good job recruiting and developing talent in the secondary?
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Absolutely. Not sure how anyone could argue otherwise - though we've been much better at developing (largely because we've had to be better there). Take a look at the collection of guys that have gotten legitimate NFL shots from Penn State, either by getting drafted or as UDFA's, and their recruiting profile. That's a whole lot of three star talent that's been coached up enough to get legitimate shots at the highest level.

I added notations for Golden, Williams, and Lucas, as all of those guys initially were signed by and played for O'Brien, but underwent most of their development under Franklin.

John Reid - .9445 (4 star) - 4th round
Garrett Taylor - .9441 (4 star) - UDFA
Marcus Allen - .8877 (3 star) - 5th round
Troy Apke - .8681 (3 star) - 4th round
Nick Scott - .8634 (3 star) - 7th round
Grant Haley - .8578 (3 star) - UDFA
Amani Oruwariye - .8556 (3 star) - 5th round
Christian Campbell - .8354 (3 star) - 6th round
*Malik Golden - .8322 (3 star) - UDFA - redshirted in 2012 for O'Brien and played sparingly in 2013 for O'Brien, sparingly again in 2014 for Franklin, and then had four starts in 2015 and started every game at safety in 2016.
*Trevor Williams - .8291 (3 star) - UDFA - played WR as a freshman in 2012 for O'Brien, started 6 games at CB as a sophomore in 2013 for OB, then was named honorable mention all-conference under Franklin in 2014 and 2015.
*Jordan Lucas - .8255 (3 star) - 6th round - played two years under Franklin, was an honorable mention all-conference pick under O'Brien in 2013 and again in 2014 under Franklin before getting hurt in 2015.

Now, take a look at our current secondary, plus rotation guys. Given the higher level of talent to work with, I'd wager to guess that the draft/NFL results will be just as good, if not better.

SR Lamont Wade - .9797 (4 star)
SO Keaton Ellis - .8994 (4 star)
JR Jonathan Sutherland - .8992 (4 star)
FR Joey Porter Jr. - .8969 (4 star)
SR Tariq Castro-Fields - .8967 (4 star)
SR Jaquan Brisker - .8939 (4 star JUCO)
SO Marquis Wilson - .8884 (3 star)
SR Ji'Ayir Brown - .8830 (3 star JUCO)
FR Daequan Hardy - .8403 (3 star)
 
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mrmk5110 said:
Then would you say this program has been doing a good job recruiting and developing talent in the secondary?
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You replied to “Penn State has plenty of DBs in the league” with how many have been drafted in 1st or second round?, how many has O$U had? and Penn State is not DBU. What the hell does any of that have to do with what the post you replied to stated?

If you have hard-on for Ohio State that‘s your problem, not ours.
 
Raffycorn said:
Absolutely. Not sure how anyone could argue otherwise - though we've been much better at developing (largely because we've had to be better there). Take a look at the collection of guys that have gotten legitimate NFL shots from Penn State, either by getting drafted or as UDFA's, and their recruiting profile. That's a whole lot of three star talent that's been coached up enough to get legitimate shots at the highest level.

I added notations for Golden, Williams, and Lucas, as all of those guys initially were signed by and played for O'Brien, but underwent most of their development under Franklin.

John Reid - .9445 (4 star) - 4th round
Garrett Taylor - .9441 (4 star) - UDFA
Marcus Allen - .8877 (3 star) - 5th round
Troy Apke - .8681 (3 star) - 4th round
Nick Scott - .8634 (3 star) - 7th round
Grant Haley - .8578 (3 star) - UDFA
Amani Oruwariye - .8556 (3 star) - 5th round
Christian Campbell - .8354 (3 star) - 6th round
*Malik Golden - .8322 (3 star) - UDFA - redshirted in 2012 for O'Brien and played sparingly in 2013 for O'Brien, sparingly again in 2014 for Franklin, and then had four starts in 2015 and started every game at safety in 2016.
*Trevor Williams - .8291 (3 star) - UDFA - played WR as a freshman in 2012 for O'Brien, started 6 games at CB as a sophomore in 2013 for OB, then was named honorable mention all-conference under Franklin in 2014 and 2015.
*Jordan Lucas - .8255 (3 star) - 6th round - played two years under Franklin, was an honorable mention all-conference pick under O'Brien in 2013 and again in 2014 under Franklin before getting hurt in 2015.

Now, take a look at our current secondary, plus rotation guys. Given the higher level of talent to work with, I'd wager to guess that the draft/NFL results will be just as good, if not better.

SR Lamont Wade - .9797 (4 star)
SO Keaton Ellis - .8994 (4 star)
JR Jonathan Sutherland - .8992 (4 star)
FR Joey Porter Jr. - .8969 (4 star)
SR Tariq Castro-Fields - .8967 (4 star)
SR Jaquan Brisker - .8939 (4 star JUCO)
SO Marquis Wilson - .8884 (3 star)
SR Ji'Ayir Brown - .8830 (3 star JUCO)
FR Daequan Hardy - .8403 (3 star)
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And if you did this analysis on Ohio St's secondary recruits, you would see why they were drafted where they were as well. They had elite recruits that some landed in the 1st round and some crashed and burned. That's what you'd expect.
 
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Raffycorn said:
Absolutely. Not sure how anyone could argue otherwise - though we've been much better at developing (largely because we've had to be better there). Take a look at the collection of guys that have gotten legitimate NFL shots from Penn State, either by getting drafted or as UDFA's, and their recruiting profile. That's a whole lot of three star talent that's been coached up enough to get legitimate shots at the highest level.

I added notations for Golden, Williams, and Lucas, as all of those guys initially were signed by and played for O'Brien, but underwent most of their development under Franklin.

John Reid - .9445 (4 star) - 4th round
Garrett Taylor - .9441 (4 star) - UDFA
Marcus Allen - .8877 (3 star) - 5th round
Troy Apke - .8681 (3 star) - 4th round
Nick Scott - .8634 (3 star) - 7th round
Grant Haley - .8578 (3 star) - UDFA
Amani Oruwariye - .8556 (3 star) - 5th round
Christian Campbell - .8354 (3 star) - 6th round
*Malik Golden - .8322 (3 star) - UDFA - redshirted in 2012 for O'Brien and played sparingly in 2013 for O'Brien, sparingly again in 2014 for Franklin, and then had four starts in 2015 and started every game at safety in 2016.
*Trevor Williams - .8291 (3 star) - UDFA - played WR as a freshman in 2012 for O'Brien, started 6 games at CB as a sophomore in 2013 for OB, then was named honorable mention all-conference under Franklin in 2014 and 2015.
*Jordan Lucas - .8255 (3 star) - 6th round - played two years under Franklin, was an honorable mention all-conference pick under O'Brien in 2013 and again in 2014 under Franklin before getting hurt in 2015.

Now, take a look at our current secondary, plus rotation guys. Given the higher level of talent to work with, I'd wager to guess that the draft/NFL results will be just as good, if not better.

SR Lamont Wade - .9797 (4 star)
SO Keaton Ellis - .8994 (4 star)
JR Jonathan Sutherland - .8992 (4 star)
FR Joey Porter Jr. - .8969 (4 star)
SR Tariq Castro-Fields - .8967 (4 star)
SR Jaquan Brisker - .8939 (4 star JUCO)
SO Marquis Wilson - .8884 (3 star)
SR Ji'Ayir Brown - .8830 (3 star JUCO)
FR Daequan Hardy - .8403 (3 star)
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Prospects pay attention to first round picks. The only time players drafted in the fourth round or lower grab attention is if they make All-Pro. Anyone on your list qualify?
 
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Lion8286 said:
Calm down, Nancy.
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Actually, what he said was completely factual and accurate.

I have no idea where Derrick Davis is going, and kids rarely make selections based solely on NFL draft reputation. But obviously Ohio State is a more attractive destination than PSU for defensive backs, all other factors being equal. That's not really even a debate. Their pipeline from OSU's defensive secondary to the NFL first round is pretty remarkable. We can't match that. So we'll need to sell other things to win those battles.

Just the same, PSU is a very attractive destination for RBs for the same reason.

There's really no sense calling people names on that basis.
 
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Art said:
Prospects pay attention to first round picks. The only time players drafted in the fourth round or lower grab attention is if they make All-Pro. Anyone on your list qualify?
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If recruits were smart then they would look at the large number of PSU players in the league that outperformed their expectations based on their recruiting ratings. For example, Derrick Davis would be one of the highest rated secondary recruits in PSU history. And obviously PSU is putting much lower rated guys at his position in the league. Think about what that means for him.

If he chose Ohio St then he would be 1 of 3 top 100 recruits in their secondary class and they have three other 4 star safeties already committed in his class and two more 4 star safeties from last class, a 4 star safety in the 2019 class, a 5 star and 4 star safety in the 2018 class, and it goes on and on. This is just in the classes that will be on campus when he gets there.
 
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JustinTyme said:
If recruits were smart then they would look at the large number of PSU players in the league that outperformed their expectations based on their recruiting ratings. For example, Derrick Davis would be one of the highest rated secondary recruits in PSU history. And obviously PSU is putting much lower rated guys at his position in the league. Think about what that means for him.

If he chose Ohio St then he would be 1 of 3 top 100 recruits in their secondary class and they have three other 4 star safeties already committed in his class and two more 4 star safeties from last class, a 4 star safety in the 2019 class, a 5 star and 4 star safety in the 2018 class, and it goes on and on. This is just in the classes that will be on campus when he gets there.
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Fan myths are fun. Elite recruits are not scared of competition. That line is for middle of the road teams....honestly.
 
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LaJolla Lion said:
Fan myths are fun. Elite recruits are not scared of competition. That line is for middle of the road teams....honestly.
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Exactly. Duke and Kentucky basketball demonstrate this year after year. "Oh, Duke already has a pair of 5* small forwards committed in this class? Well, I'll join them because I'm awesome and will win playing time!"

If Derrick Davis opts against Ohio State, I doubt it's going to be because of fear of competition. Plus, he would immediately become their best safety commit.
 
LaJolla Lion said:
Fan myths are fun. Elite recruits are not scared of competition. That line is for middle of the road teams....honestly.
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I agree with you on that, and the transfer portal will have an even greater effect on recruiting then one might initially realize. Before some kids may have been hesitant to commit to an OSU type program because of the players ahead of him, even if he was confident in his abilities. Now he has nothing to lose. If things don’t work out he just transfers and gets to play immediately without waiting a year. His only option before regarding immediate playing time was to drop down a division. I’m certain that’s not the overall determining factor for recruits making a decision, but it does provide another safety blanket to ease one’s mind. All in all it’s just another way for the rich to get richer. Which is interesting in its self, because initially many people thought the transfer portal would be used to more evenly distribute talent.
 
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LaJolla Lion said:
Fan myths are fun. Elite recruits are not scared of competition. That line is for middle of the road teams....honestly.
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And the ain't looking at programs who can get them into the NFL at league minimum.
JustinTyme said:
If recruits were smart then they would look at the large number of PSU players in the league that outperformed their expectations based on their recruiting ratings. For example, Derrick Davis would be one of the highest rated secondary recruits in PSU history. And obviously PSU is putting much lower rated guys at his position in the league. Think about what that means for him.

If he chose Ohio St then he would be 1 of 3 top 100 recruits in their secondary class and they have three other 4 star safeties already committed in his class and two more 4 star safeties from last class, a 4 star safety in the 2019 class, a 5 star and 4 star safety in the 2018 class, and it goes on and on. This is just in the classes that will be on campus when he gets there.
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"If recruits were smart....." You shoulda' stopped while you were ahead.
 
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Doesn't have to do with shying away from competition, it has to do with who is best to adequately prepare them for their goals. If team A is turning mostly 3 stars into draft picks and team B requires 4 and 5 stars to get to the league (some as 1st rounders), then team A is doing better by the young men, especially when half of those 4 and 5 stars for team B wash out completely.
 
JustinTyme said:
Doesn't have to do with shying away from competition, it has to do with who is best to adequately prepare them for their goals. If team A is turning mostly 3 stars into draft picks and team B requires 4 and 5 stars to get to the league (some as 1st rounders), then team A is doing better by the young men, especially when half of those 4 and 5 stars for team B wash out completely.
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That’s not it. If Team B is turning 4 and 5 stars into first and second round draft picks while Team A’s guys are lower round picks, then the sell is obvious.

These kids want to make bank before anything else. They go to the programs that are churning out high draft picks.
 
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WestSideLion said:
That’s not it. If Team B is turning 4 and 5 stars into first and second round draft picks while Team A’s guys are lower round picks, then the sell is obvious.

These kids want to make bank before anything else. They go to the programs that are churning out high draft picks.
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Sure if they actually are but when half of them wash out then what? Why hasn't Ohio State put out first round draft picks at the rate that Alabama does? They recruited just as many 5 star and high 4 star players but Alabama basically owns them on the top draft picks over the years.
 
JustinTyme said:
Sure if they actually are but when half of them wash out then what? Why hasn't Ohio State put out first round draft picks at the rate that Alabama does? They recruited just as many 5 star and high 4 star players but Alabama basically owns them on the top draft picks over the years.
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I’d double check your numbers. Here’s what the NCAA lists since 2000. Guess who’s #1 in overall draft picks and first rounders during that time?

Most NFL draft picks by school.
 
Art said:
You hit it. Prospects just look at first rounders from a school. They don't track the inputs (how four and five stars wind up). That's for fanboys.
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That data also underlines some challenges for Penn State. While the early 2000s and early-mid 2010s saw lean talent years, this program lags Wisconsin and Michigan in first round draft picks since 2000. It’s not a huge gap, but shows why the top PA kids seriously consider other options.
 
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NittanyIllinois said:
Actually, what he said was completely factual and accurate.

I have no idea where Derrick Davis is going, and kids rarely make selections based solely on NFL draft reputation. But obviously Ohio State is a more attractive destination than PSU for defensive backs, all other factors being equal. That's not really even a debate. Their pipeline from OSU's defensive secondary to the NFL first round is pretty remarkable. We can't match that. So we'll need to sell other things to win those battles.

Just the same, PSU is a very attractive destination for RBs for the same reason.

There's really no sense calling people names on that basis.
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LSU Insiders feeling good about Davis. FWIW.
 
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Once again the gurus from the recruiting sites throw early garbage against a wall that anyone could figure out. Then a day or so before announcing the kid tells a friend where he’s going. The friend then tells the guru who posts it, and still some people think these guys are on top of things. Most of them couldn’t forecast a hurricane unless they were standing in the eye wall.
 
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lionville said:
What’s up with the late offers to 2021 kids?
Desperation???
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it's not that complicated, and certainly not what you posted as a possible reason.

PSU feels thin at DE. It did not help that they switched DLine coach in the offseason and then due to the pandemic the new coach could not meet in-person with prospects. A bigger issue is that PSU concluded months ago (over a year ago) that despite their need at DE, their traditional recruiting area was unusually sparse in DE prospects they felt were worthy of an offer.

PSU has lost out on some prospects in recent months, but none of them were DEs. PSU's numbers will not allow for a big class this year, so when they get down to the final 'ships, they will, at times, take elite prospects at positions that aren't a huge need, or from locations that they want to focus on. As they've not landed a few prospects that fit those profiles, it's given the coaching staff the ability to offer DEs from some distance away. As this is a position they'd ideally like to get 2 signees (they currently have 1 DE verbal), then they're simply continuing their pursuit at that position.
 
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ST8FAN said:
SMU, Houston, and USC. Is this where the program is now?
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🙄

Having said that, we must reiterate that the likelihood of Uke picking up more offers in the near future is high. He has emerged not only as one of the state's super sleepers in the latter stages of the 2021 recruiting cycle, but as one of the top offensive line prospects in the Lone Star State's senior class.

-- 247Sports Director of Football Recruiting Steve Wiltfong contributed to this report.

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Offensive tackle Austin Uke is a major stock-up prospect in 2021

Austin Uke is an emerging late-cycle sleeper to know in the Lone Star State's 2021 recruiting class.
247sports.com 247sports.com
 
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ST8FAN said:
SMU, Houston, and USC. Is this where the program is now?
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Texas Lion said:
Looks like they are throwing some ropes out there to see if anyone will bite. Sad end to a horrible recruiting season.
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Use a little analysis before reacting.

Most programs are near the end of recruiting for the 2021 class. They keep tabs on kids that have been on their radar, but only reach out to them if they get a decommitment. PSU is pretty close to finishing their 2021 class, but has a few openings. They've been monitoring Uke for some time, and decided to make an offer. Several other top schools are monitoring him as well, in case their situation changes.
 
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Tom McAndrew said:
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Use a little analysis before reacting.

Most programs are near the end of recruiting for the 2021 class. They keep tabs on kids that have been on their radar, but only reach out to them if they get a decommitment. PSU is pretty close to finishing their 2021 class, but has a few openings. They've been monitoring Uke for some time, and decided to make an offer. Several other top schools are monitoring him as well, in case their situation changes.
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100% agreed and what I was getting at, going back through people they didn't offer and throwing them a line. We did this with Hardy. These kind of players are nice but rarely make a difference.
 
Tom McAndrew said:
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Use a little analysis before reacting.

Most programs are near the end of recruiting for the 2021 class. They keep tabs on kids that have been on their radar, but only reach out to them if they get a decommitment. PSU is pretty close to finishing their 2021 class, but has a few openings. They've been monitoring Uke for some time, and decided to make an offer. Several other top schools are monitoring him as well, in case their situation changes.
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Tom, you don't know why a Penn State fan would have a negative outlook on the 2021 recruiting? Are you serious? Even the Head Coach says this cycle wasn't good enough. But maybe you know something that Franklin doesn't.
 
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