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2023-2024 Lineup Predictions

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Best Case Scenario

125-R. Howard

133-A. Nagao

141-B. Bartlett

149-S. Van Ness

157-L. Haines

165-M. Messenbrink

175-C. Starocci

184-B. Truax

197-A. Brooks

285-G. Kerkvliet
 
If that is how it ends up there is no reason to mention a team race because there isn't one. Could that team set the all time scoring record?
 
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SpladleTown said:
Best Case Scenario

125-R. Howard

133-A. Nagao

141-B. Bartlett

149-S. Van Ness

157-L. Haines

165-M. Messenbrink

175-C. Starocci

184-B. Truax

197-A. Brooks

285-G. Kerkvliet
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Facundo could also be 165 . Don't cut him short . Not sure why, after a solid FR season he is being written off. He is still young and will be improving. Reports of Messenbrink are good, but not to the point he is automatically a title contender. It would be a good battle for sure , but no slam dunk .
 
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crockster said:
Facundo could also be 165 . Don't cut him short . Not sure why, after a solid FR season he is being written off. He is still young and will be improving. Reports of Messenbrink are good, but not to the point he is automatically a title contender. It would be a good battle for sure , but no slam dunk .
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Totally agree. Facundo had a very solid year, but was simply too cautious and one dimensional when it came to facing top competition. His pretigree and resume are stronger than Mesinbrink's. I will say their styles are vastly different and Mesi is much more aggressive, his trajectory has been steeper, and more accomplished the past two years. That said, none should be suprised if he came here, and couldn't win a spot at either 157 or 165.

I am starting to think that even though Facundo could take an Oly next year, it's Levi whom we will not see due to RS (Probably traditional over Oly). The 'its the coaches decision' comment by Levi and Ben Askren's comments lead me to believe Mesenbrink will go 157

Now Mesenbrink vs. the Claw, that's a totally different discussion, and a no brainer.

If Carter doesn't take an Oly and also didn't seek a 5th, some of the log jam is relieved when everyone moves up a weight. That's all a conversation for next year.

I still think the package we will be able to offer him is quite limited. He will have had to pretty much already made up his mind to come here for us to land him. Multiple visits seem to indicate otherwise.
 
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El-Jefe said:
If this is it, then maybe it got moved to a premium board by accident?
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I don't know. I was wondering whether use of the 'Wayback Machine' didn't maintain my login (and I couldn't seem to re-login). Regardless, it looked like the last posting date was April 5th evening, which aligns with @slushhead noticing it gone on the 6th.
 
GogglesPaizano said:
Totally agree. Facundo has a very solid year, but was simply too cautious and one dimensional when it came to facing top competition. His pretigree and resume are stronger than Mesinbrink's. I will say their styles are vastly different and Mesi is much more aggressive, his trajectory has been steeper, and more accomplished the past two years. That said, none should be suprised if he came here, and couldn't win a spot at either 157 or 165.

I am starting to think that even though Facundo could take an Oly next year, it's Levi whom we will not see due to RS (Probably traditional over Oly). The 'its the coaches decision' comment by Levi and Ben Askren's comments lead me to believe Mesenbrink will go 157

Now Mesenbrink vs. the Claw, that's a totally different discussion, and a no brainer.

If Carter doesn't take an Oly and also didn't seek a 5th, some of the log jam is relieved when everyone moves up a weight. That's all a conversation for next year.

I still think the package we will be able to offer him is quite limited. He will have had to pretty much already made up his mind to come here for us to land him. Multiple visits seem to indicate otherwise.
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Facundo is very good just has to be more aggressive he needs to wrestle like Levi!
 
GogglesPaizano said:
Totally agree. Facundo has a very solid year, but was simply too cautious and one dimensional when it came to facing top competition. His pretigree and resume are stronger than Mesinbrink's. I will say their styles are vastly different and Mesi is much more aggressive, his trajectory has been steeper, and more accomplished the past two years. That said, none should be suprised if he came here, and couldn't win a spot at either 157 or 165.

I am starting to think that even though Facundo could take an Oly next year, it's Levi whom we will not see due to RS (Probably traditional over Oly). The 'its the coaches decision' comment by Levi and Ben Askren's comments lead me to believe Mesenbrink will go 157

Now Mesenbrink vs. the Claw, that's a totally different discussion, and a no brainer.

If Carter doesn't take an Oly and also didn't seek a 5th, some of the log jam is relieved when everyone moves up a weight. That's all a conversation for next year.

I still think the package we will be able to offer him is quite limited. He will have had to pretty much already made up his mind to come here for us to land him. Multiple visits seem to indicate otherwise.
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We will see what happens . Lots of speculation , but no one really knows . In the meantime I'm supporting Facundo who is a top 15 talent in his FR year , is on the team and will continue to improve.
 
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98lberEating2Lunches said:
I don't know. I was wondering whether use of the 'Wayback Machine' didn't maintain my login (and I couldn't seem to re-login). Regardless, it looked like the last posting date was April 5th evening, which aligns with @slushhead noticing it gone on the 6th.
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The thread that got deleted went missing less than 2 hrs before I posted my thread wondering where it went.

The cosmetic update is working great. @tikk10
 
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GogglesPaizano said:
I am starting to think that even though Facundo could take an Oly next year, it's Levi whom we will not see due to RS (Probably traditional over Oly). The 'its the coaches decision' comment by Levi and Ben Askren's comments lead me to believe Mesenbrink will go 157
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Why would you ever take a traditional red shirt over an Olympic red shirt? Just wondering?
 
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SJP80 said:
Why would you ever take a traditional red shirt over an Olympic red shirt? Just wondering?
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I think there are conditions tied to the Oly that may not be attractive and it's seems very unlikely that Levi would want to use both in different years, taking 6 years to get in 4. You are supposed to train away from all team activities, and concentrate only on freestyle. I don't think there is much benefit to that this year. If he used his regular he could wrestle in opens and train with the team. With the NLWC his training partners would see some overlap. One thing about an Oly is you can cancel it at any time and eligibility resumes immediately, so if there were an injury or if he wanted to come back early he could.
 
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GogglesPaizano said:
I think there are conditions tied to the Oly that may not be attractive and it's seems very unlikely that Levi would want to use both in different years, taking 6 years to get in 4. You are supposed to train away from all team activities, and concentrate only on freestyle. I don't think there is much benefit to that this year. If he used his regular he could wrestle in opens and train with the team. With the NLWC his training partners would see some overlap. One thing about an Oly is you can cancel it at any time and eligibility resumes immediately, so if there were an injury or if he wanted to come back early he could.
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A lot to unpack here:
1. Regular shirts can focus entirely on freestyle -- as did Zain, Nico, and others.
2. Olympic shirts can train with the team as do the NLWC guys -- varsity guys can cross the curtain during practice, or can train in the room at any time outside of regular practice.
3. Olympic shirts can still compete in Opens -- unattached and likely paying their own way.
4. Regular shirts can also be pulled at any time.
5. Olympic shirts typically mean not enrolling in classes -- and therefore, if it gets pulled, the wrestler might have to take a huge workload to remain academically eligible.
6. Not being enrolled means not being on athletic scholarship -- and therefore an extra year of rent, food, expenses. That could be a challenge for those of more modest means.

#5 and #6 are the only reasons to take a regular shirt if an Olympic shirt is available.

The obvious reason to take an Olympic shirt is to preserve the regular shirt in case of injury.
 
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El-Jefe said:
A lot to unpack here:
1. Regular shirts can focus entirely on freestyle -- as did Zain, Nico, and others.
2. Olympic shirts can train with the team as do the NLWC guys -- varsity guys can cross the curtain during practice, or can train in the room at any time outside of regular practice.
3. Olympic shirts can still compete in Opens -- unattached and likely paying their own way.
4. Regular shirts can also be pulled at any time.
5. Olympic shirts typically mean not enrolling in classes -- and therefore, if it gets pulled, the wrestler might have to take a huge workload to remain academically eligible.
6. Not being enrolled means not being on athletic scholarship -- and therefore an extra year of rent, food, expenses. That could be a challenge for those of more modest means.

#5 and #6 are the only reasons to take a regular shirt if an Olympic shirt is available.

The obvious reason to take an Olympic shirt is to preserve the regular shirt in case of injury.
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In case of injury, you can still get a medical shirt, right?
 
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