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Wrestling 2023 NCAA Tournament Live Thread

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and I was just thinking, not to punch somebody when they’re down, but Spencer’s career is a bit of a cautionary tale at this point. No doubt he was truly dominant, but it also shows what the pressure cooker can create, and what it can’t.
Spencer's match showed the importance of a gas tank. Van Ness goes down 8 - 0 and starts to suck the life out of the kid. Levi goes down 6 - 0 and then just pummels the kid into submission by just grinding him down. Talent is essential, but without an endless supply of O2 talent wilts.

By never getting Lee into shape TnT did him a great disservice.
 
Did SL improve precipitously while at Iowa? Honest question (not meant to pile on). There’s a reason for the long line of recruits and NLWC members outside of Rec Hall, Haines is just the new face of the mind/matter approach of Cael and his staff. Incredible job tonight, again, by the team. Never any sense of panic by our wrestlers (panic is for us fans).
 
You could be right. Mendez is the real deal, but not yet a world beater. Feldman could be. Word is Bouzakis is already looking around. But mostly it’s the number of guys that they have brought in and relatively flamed out that gives me peace.
I’m still curios where Mendez and Bouzakis end up next year weight wise.
 
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Spencer's match showed the importance of a gas tank. Van Ness goes down 8 - 0 and starts to suck the life out of the kid. Levi goes down 6 - 0 and then just pummels the kid into submission by just grinding him down. Talent is essential, but without an endless supply of O2 talent wilts.

By never getting Lee into shape TnT did him a great disservice.
Slight amendment Nit……A GOAT does not need a coach to get in shape.
 
I wonder if they'll start the finals at posted this originally in wrong thread. Here we go again ….So I was buying TShirts half way thru the 4th session at the BOK center and about 8 guys wearing Iowa t shirts and sweat shirts were saying something to the the vender inside the center selling t shirts. They were arguing with a bunch of people at once including fans and staff. I’m not sure what was said to get this mob so irate but a kid like 20 years old selling T shirts said so how did your boy Spencer do? and then someone in the Iowa group punched the kid in the face. The group took off and within minutes cops and security were there. Within minutes, all food and drink concessions were stopped. I realize 99% of hawk eye fans are just passionate good people. But this group pissed off about the Spencer Lee outcome we’re just idiots.
 
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Did anyone notice after Lee match that the Michigans fans they showed that were cheering exuberantly? Spencer’s cronies are going to be pissed 😤.

Apparently, it’s not just the PIAA fans in Hershey who enjoy watching the GOAT get beaten.
 
Shane's biggest weakness in Neutral is that he losses track of his body posture - he sometimes gets near straight up-&-down when fighting a collar-tie, Russian Tie or clinch.... he did it repeatedly throughout YD match - it finally cost him in latter half of 3rd. No way should YD be able to be close enough to you to get a body-lock when you're leading.... he needs to keep his knees bent and an upper-body bend when fighting those positions.
But if he is not initiating 50% of the action moving forward...he is stalling......so that wont work. I learned that from an "Expert". Then again.....this might have been a literal expert.......ie.....someone who can no longer "spurt". I'll need to reread the 1,500 page rule book to verify :)
 
In re-watching Ramos roll Lee to his back the critical thing he did was he released his right arm mid roll to hook under Lee's left arm, keeping Lee from rolling through. That action was critical. It was also critical he was able to escape prior to that or none of us would have just witnessed one of the greatest upsets of all time.
I can't recall seeing anyone do what Ramos did there. It started out like a head pinch and turned into a modified assassin. I had speculated that if Lee ever lost again it would be in the third because he was gassed. I don't think he was gassed here, Ramos just pulled a rabbit out of his hat, one of the most creative moves imaginable at the perfect time in the biggest match of the year. All respect in the world for Matt Ramos.
 
New rule for GOAT consideration, getting pinned twice eliminates any wrestler from being eligible, because according to our Iowa posters, getting pinned once kept you as a viable candidate.
 
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2022 results after Session 4

1: PENN STATE – 108.0
2: Michigan – 84.5
3: Arizona State – 63.5
4: Iowa – 62.0
5: Nebraska – 54.0


2023 Session 4 results

1: PENN STATE – 116.5
2: Iowa – 77.0
3: Cornell – 64.0

 
Spencer's match showed the importance of a gas tank. Van Ness goes down 8 - 0 and starts to suck the life out of the kid. Levi goes down 6 - 0 and then just pummels the kid into submission by just grinding him down. Talent is essential, but without an endless supply of O2 talent wilts.

By never getting Lee into shape TnT did him a great disservice.
Fatigue makes cowards of us all.
 
well he is still the best ever at iowa bet it kills them that he is from PA!!
Being from PA probably doesn't hurt so much. Other great ones were from South Dakota, New York, Illinois, Indiana as well as Iowa. What has to hurt is knowing if Spencer had chosen to wrestle for Penn State he would have been a 4 time all time great.
 
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