7 on 7

[diggerpup]

Nolf + Zain > Snyder + NaTo

It was actually a 10 point total difference.

NaTo won this weekend:
6-4
6-5
5-4

Snyder won semis & finals:
DEC, 14-7
DEC, 8-5

Zain won this weekend:
Fall
Fall
Fall
16-1, TF

Nolf won this weekend:
Fall
Fall
8-2

2017 B1G Scoring:
Zain - 26.5
Nolf - 23
Snyder - 20.5
NaTo - 19

 

[diggerpup]

Check this out

Want to know how much bonus points matter ?

2017 Big Ten Scoring:

NaTo - 19 (1st, three DEC)
Nevills - 18.5 (3rd, three Falls)

NaTo & Nevills were a scoring wash.

Meanwhile, Zain was in points stratosphere.


http://www.pennstatewrestlingclub.org/content/tournament_team_score.php?id=17&type=individual

 

[21Guns]

Ohio State won. By 9.5 points.

they had more scoring wrestlers. 15 to 3.5. There is your title.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

Ohio State won. By 9.5 points.

they had more scoring wrestlers. 15 to 3.5. There is your title.

Again, in the last six years, the winning team needed 8, 7, 5, 5, 5, and 4 wrestlers in order to win, an average of 5.6. They may have had more than that number of scorers, but didn't need them. The data doesn't support your level of angst.

 

[21Guns]

Again, in the last six years, the winning team needed 8, 7, 5, 5, 5, and 4 wrestlers in order to win, an average of 5.6. They may have had more than that number of scorers, but didn't need them. The data doesn't support your level of angst.

The hope, is that the NCAA tournament goes wildly differently than the B1G tournament. Often it does, sometimes it does not.

Don't forget, Oklahoma State will have 10 point scoring wrestlers, while Ohio State will have 8, and Iowa will have 8.

At this point PSU will have 7 and 7 will not win the title. I just gave you the numbers that matter: 15 to 3.5.

Yelling "Bonus" will also not work: PSU had nearly the maximum possible bonus three ays ago, and lost by 9.5 points. The other guys get bonus also.

This, like two years ago, appears to be the year that not having all ten, will come back to bite us. It already did last week.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

The hope, is that the NCAA tournament goes wildly differently than the B1G tournament. Often it does, sometimes it does not.

Don't forget, Oklahoma State will have 10 point scoring wrestlers, while Ohio State will have 8, and Iowa will have 8.

At this point PSU will have 7 and 7 will not win the title. I just gave you the numbers that matter: 15 to 3.5.

Yelling "Bonus" will also not work: PSU had nearly the maximum possible bonus three ays ago, and lost by 9.5 points. The other guys get bonus also.

This, like two years ago, appears to be the year that not having all ten, will come back to bite us. It already did last week.

1. So, show us some data to support your very first two sentences. Why is this year between the B1G and NCAA different that requires 8 wrestlers? 15 to 3.5 doesn't show that.

2. Having a 10-point scorer OSU dilutes points even further, thus requiring fewer to win.

3. Our bonus rate is likely to go up in NCAA. Last year, our bonus rate for the 5 guys that would have won it by themselves was 60%. Our bonus rate for B1G this year was 45%. With that extra round against non-B1G wrestlers, bonus will go up.

 

[JOESTROSSER]

Nolf = Snyder
Retherford = Tomasello
Nickal = Moore
Hall = BoJo
Cenzo = Martin
Nevills = Micah
McCutch = Pletcher
Jimmy = Jose
Suriano = Burcher (assuming he gets in)

Nolf and Snyder are a push

Retherford will out point Tomasello even if Nato wins and I think he's got ALOT of quality competition at 133

Nickal will outpoint Moore by way of bonus - I'm assuming both make it to finals and lose - but think Nickal is better odds of finals than Moore

Hall and BoJo - assume BoJo gets the edge by getting to finals but Hall's bonus should help keep gap close. Also, assuming BoJo can get past Realbuto (who beat him a couple weeks ago) to get to finals

Cenzo - toss up - I personally think Cenzo is better bet to be wrestling for 3/4 than Martin is but Martin probably has more upside to make finals than Cenzo (depending on seeds) - call this a dead heat

Nevills will get the 4 seed and should be wrestling for 3/4 - much more confidence in him placing 3/4 than Micah

Cutch vs Pletch - both have low AA potential - I just think Cutch is higher and has easier weight class

jimmy has more potential than Jose

Assuming nothing out of Suriano and Burcher

Seems to me PSU has advantage on head to head vs tOSU at Nationals

I was just going to post something similar to this. I would tweek it a little, but very little. I think Snyder will be OSU's top scorer. He'll get more than his 24.5 from last year. Tomasello is capable of bonus but he just won by 2, 1 and 1 with no bonus at Bigs. Here is a conservative look.

Retherford/Snyder +2
Nolf/Tomasello +3, Could be much more
Nickal/Moore -2. Nickal bonus could give PSU Edge
Hall/BJordan -2 Hall bonus Could give PSU edge. Jordan 0 bonus in Bigs
Cenzo/ MJordan +4
Nevills/Martin Edge Nevills, especially if he's seeded 3rd.
Cutch vs Pletcher +5. 7/8 vs Rd 12 tops
JG vs Rodriguez -1
Suriano vs Burcher -1

 

[JOESTROSSER]

The hope, is that the NCAA tournament goes wildly differently than the B1G tournament. Often it does, sometimes it does not.

Don't forget, Oklahoma State will have 10 point scoring wrestlers, while Ohio State will have 8, and Iowa will have 8.

At this point PSU will have 7 and 7 will not win the title. I just gave you the numbers that matter: 15 to 3.5.

Yelling "Bonus" will also not work: PSU had nearly the maximum possible bonus three ays ago, and lost by 9.5 points. The other guys get bonus also.

This, like two years ago, appears to be the year that not having all ten, will come back to bite us. It already did last week.

Nationals is a totally different tournament than Big Tens. This were Penn State's top wrestlers ability to bonus on other top wrestlers adds separation. Tomasello and BoJo had zero bonus at bigs so they have to improve there or OSU is in trouble

 

[21Guns]

Nationals is a totally different tournament than Big Tens. This were Penn State's top wrestlers ability to bonus on other top wrestlers adds separation. Tomasello and BoJo had zero bonus at bigs so they have to improve there or OSU is in trouble

Excellent post. Nothing but truth and solid thinking, without any kind of childish name calling, or stalking. Five stars.

 

[dunkej01]

we continue to focus on tO$U and forget that ok st is lurking out there. If JoJo wrestles like he did this past weekend and not like he did at the nat duals....well it will be worth the price of admission

 

[HOCKEYGOD11]

So you are saying you believe Suriano will not only wrestle, but score points?

I think he has a chance to wrestle and I think Jimmy has a shot to rebound.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

The hope, is that the NCAA tournament goes wildly differently than the B1G tournament. Often it does, sometimes it does not.

Don't forget, Oklahoma State will have 10 point scoring wrestlers, while Ohio State will have 8, and Iowa will have 8.

At this point PSU will have 7 and 7 will not win the title. I just gave you the numbers that matter: 15 to 3.5.

Yelling "Bonus" will also not work: PSU had nearly the maximum possible bonus three ays ago, and lost by 9.5 points. The other guys get bonus also.

This, like two years ago, appears to be the year that not having all ten, will come back to bite us. It already did last week.

Simply not true, due to how placement points work, daO$U will not score anywhere close to what they scored at B1Gs at NCAAs.

 

[21Guns]

I think he has a chance to wrestle and I think Jimmy has a shot to rebound.

I think he has a very slim chance to wrestle and an even slimmer chance to score. I hope like hell I am wrong.

 

[21Guns]

8 scoring wrestlers. Get that, and we win.

 

[JOESTROSSER]

we continue to focus on tO$U and forget that ok st is lurking out there. If JoJo wrestles like he did this past weekend and not like he did at the nat duals....well it will be worth the price of admission

I do want to get to that, but haven't had time. My gut tells me if we perform well we should beat them.

 

[Cali_Nittany]

we continue to focus on tO$U and forget that ok st is lurking out there. If JoJo wrestles like he did this past weekend and not like he did at the nat duals....well it will be worth the price of admission

It will be interesting with all 10 in. I just don't think they have enough potential at the top end. But this definitely merits analysis after seeds come out.

 

[a_mshaffer]

It will be interesting with all 10 in. I just don't think they have enough potential at the top end. But this definitely merits analysis after seeds come out.

Okie State generally has good consi rounds... however, I think PSU will have more than 3 champs... they will improve on their BIG performance.

 

[nitlion6]

we continue to focus on tO$U and forget that ok st is lurking out there. If JoJo wrestles like he did this past weekend and not like he did at the nat duals....well it will be worth the price of admission

Depends upon opponent. JoJo against Nolf has ugly written all over it.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Okie State generally has good consi rounds... however, I think PSU will have more than 3 champs... they will improve on their BIG performance.

PSU produced 123 points last year with 6 AAs (25, 33, 49, 57, 74 and 97).

 

[21Guns]

PSU produced 123 points last year with 6 AAs (25, 33, 49, 57, 74 and 97).

Each year is different.