A couple of outsider observations

[Nbergbuck]

A poorly officiated game. I would like to think it was incompetence, not bias. Perhaps for a game of this magnitude, 2 more officials would help. More eyes on the game as it unfolds. PSU got the short end of the stick.

1. The fair catch: the returner needs to either make a clear signal of a fair catch or no hand signal at all. It confuses the tacklers. Correct call.
2. The last interception by Oregon: the Oregon defender had a handful of the WR's jersey. That helped him to intercept the ball. Should have been DPI.
3. The refs badly missed a roughing the passer/ unnecessary roughness call on an Allar play. Play stops when the whistle blows.

 

[NittanyLionRoar]

For real.

 

[JWB389]

Also missed a blatant push off by Oregon WR on a big play.

 

[rmem]

A poorly officiated game. I would like to think it was incompetence, not bias. Perhaps for a game of this magnitude, 2 more officials would help. More eyes on the game as it unfolds. PSU got the short end of the stick.

1. The fair catch: the returner needs to either make a clear signal of a fair catch or no hand signal at all. It confuses the tacklers. Correct call.
2. The last interception by Oregon: the Oregon defender had a handful of the WR's jersey. That helped him to intercept the ball. Should have been DPI.
3. The refs badly missed a roughing the passer/ unnecessary roughness call on an Allar play. Play stops when the whistle blows.

Yeah. We're used to it. And there were more. But as soon as they announced the crew ("We're going to let them play") we knew it was coming.

 

[mydome88]

Also the lineman downfield on the long touchdown. Easy blatant call.

Also not one holding call on the DPOY who was constantly held.

 

[80lion]

also called a pass incomplete when the receiver clearly caught it… disgusting

 

[NittanyIllinois]

Honestly, us losing worked out great. We got an easier road to the Final four than Oregon. SMU and Boise.....LOL. I'll take it.

Definitely a lot of talk on the college football boards about us getting the best seed in the playoffs without any real big wins. But it just so happened the 6 seed became the best landing position.

So yeah, for national title purposes, our loss helps us.

 

[BBHorn86]

A poorly officiated game. I would like to think it was incompetence, not bias. Perhaps for a game of this magnitude, 2 more officials would help. More eyes on the game as it unfolds. PSU got the short end of the stick.

1. The fair catch: the returner needs to either make a clear signal of a fair catch or no hand signal at all. It confuses the tacklers. Correct call.
2. The last interception by Oregon: the Oregon defender had a handful of the WR's jersey. That helped him to intercept the ball. Should have been DPI.
3. The refs badly missed a roughing the passer/ unnecessary roughness call on an Allar play. Play stops when the whistle blows.

How about the Amari Evans catch that was never looked at again. That was a 9 yard gain erased.

 

[Ward Hog]

I'm not usually one to complain but last night was rough. Perhaps our lack of discipline with the 4 personal fouls early caused the ref bias. Perhaps they're spending their bonuses today. Carter has been held, pulled, grabbed and tackled the way Oregon did it all year without much of any repercussion from refs.

 

[lazydave841]

The 4th and 2 OPI on Ferguson was particularly egregious. Exact same play as the one OSU got flagged for vs Oregon except Ferguson (a TE) got a better shove on our DB (Tracy I think). Should have been 4th and 17 from the Oregon 48 after that, which I'm certain they punt.

The game was 38-30, it directly set up a score for Oregon. In a game we struggled to get them off the field, that was huge. We scored on the ensuing drive and could have been even Steven.

The OL down field on a 2nd and 12 was pretty bad as well. One was 5-6 yards, another was about 3. Gabriel even tested the limits of QB throwing beyond the LoS (but I believe he had a foot behind the line so not a penalty), but the refs usually don't miss the OL.

 

[LionDeNittany]

The 4th and 2 OPI on Ferguson was particularly egregious. Exact same play as the one OSU got flagged for vs Oregon except Ferguson (a TE) got a better shove on our DB (Tracy I think). Should have been 4th and 17 from the Oregon 48 after that, which I'm certain they punt.

The game was 38-30, it directly set up a score for Oregon. In a game we struggled to get them off the field, that was huge. We scored on the ensuing drive and could have been even Steven.

The OL down field on a 2nd and 12 was pretty bad as well. One was 5-6 yards, another was about 3. Gabriel even tested the limits of QB throwing beyond the LoS (but I believe he had a foot behind the line so not a penalty), but the refs usually don't miss the OL.

I think he was over. But they didn't bother to review that either.

Regarding the fair catch. The timing of the call was odd. It wasn't called... the coach complained, then they called it?

 

[lazydave841]

I think he was over. But they didn't bother to review that either.

Regarding the fair catch. The timing of the call was odd. It wasn't called... the coach complained, then they called it?

The only review that sticks out was the Beau 18 yard run to the 1. Can't remember another.

I wasn't particularly upset with the fair catch. He did wave his hand, and it did freeze the Oregon defense. I think he gains similar yardage if he doesn't wave the arm. He's getting better at PR, but he isn't there yet.

 

[KnightWhoSaysNit]

I think he was over. But they didn't bother to review that either.

Regarding the fair catch. The timing of the call was odd. It wasn't called... the coach complained, then they called it?

Yea, I don't understand a lobbied flag. That said, the hand movement caused the Oregon pursuit to pull up. That was pretty clear from the replay. I don't think there would have been much of a return had they not been faked out, so thinking that PSU got jobbed there is not particularly founded.

The biggest factor is always the stuff that doesn't get called, typically holding and pass interference. Carter was clearly held a lot but then our DBs were pushing their receivers out of bounds with impunity. I'm sure there was stuff like this both ways but it really negates an advantage when you have a DE like Carter. That's one of the reasons I wanted him at LB. He's not going to be engaged instantly with the snap of the ball.

"Let them play" is a terrible way to officiate a game. You prepare and learn the game thinking a penalty is a penalty. When that breaks down it becomes a game of who can adjust to the officiating corruption. That's not football.

 

[baircub1!]

Honestly, us losing worked out great. We got an easier road to the Final four than Oregon. SMU and Boise.....LOL. I'll take it.

Definitely a lot of talk on the college football boards about us getting the best seed in the playoffs without any real big wins. But it just so happened the 6 seed became the best landing position.

So yeah, for national title purposes, our loss helps us.

we can beat both SMU and Boise State...assume we then get Georgia in the Semi's..whoa Nellie ! Also..I bet Ohio State beats Oregon 2nd time around..

 

[Safety Blitz]

Every team in every sport at the high school level is (or should be) taught to adjust to the way each game is being officiated. And if they fail to adjust, they’ve got no room to bitch.
Coaches want the game to be called consistently. That seems to be the case for most plays last night.
Like it or not — and I’m not saying I like it — holding is what the officials say it is. Nobody else’s opinion matters. Certainly not the opinion of fans on a message board who have never officiated a play in their lives.
Most fans only see (or want to see) the calls in a way that favors their team. I didn’t see a single post that said PSU should have been called for a penalty. Not one — all season.
For every complaint PSU had about non-calls, Oregon fans can find an equal number against PSU linemen. Does anyone believe PSU racked up all that yardage without its share of grabbed jerseys?
Do officials make mistakes? Absolutely. Do they miss things? You bet. Impossible to see everything. That’s part of the game every team knows it must overcome.
Do officials cheat? Hell no!!! And they should NEVER be accused of it without absolute proof.

 

[fastlax16]

Boys will be boys will always be one of the most infuriating things I’ve ever heard after this game.

Which mercenary QB will the Ducks be trotting out in September?

 

[bison13]

Every team in every sport at the high school level is (or should be) taught to adjust to the way each game is being officiated. And if they fail to adjust, they’ve got no room to bitch.
Coaches want the game to be called consistently. That seems to be the case for most plays last night.
Like it or not — and I’m not saying I like it — holding is what the officials say it is. Nobody else’s opinion matters. Certainly not the opinion of fans on a message board who have never officiated a play in their lives.
Most fans only see (or want to see) the calls in a way that favors their team. I didn’t see a single post that said PSU should have been called for a penalty. Not one — all season.
For every complaint PSU had about non-calls, Oregon fans can find an equal number against PSU linemen. Does anyone believe PSU racked up all that yardage without its share of grabbed jerseys?
Do officials make mistakes? Absolutely. Do they miss things? You bet. Impossible to see everything. That’s part of the game every team knows it must overcome.
Do officials cheat? Hell no!!! And they should NEVER be accused of it without absolute proof.

I wouldn’t go that far that they never cheat. I’ve had two different officials who have been told they are to never officiate any of my basketball games ever again.

 

[Delcolion915]

When an Ohio State fan says Penn State was screwed, you know for a fact Penn State was screwed.

 

[Football79Dude]

As I’ve said in another thread, now that conferences aren’t so tied down by geography, Penn State should threaten to move to the SEC. Even better, actually join the SEC.

 

[The Song Remains the Same]

Every team in every sport at the high school level is (or should be) taught to adjust to the way each game is being officiated. And if they fail to adjust, they’ve got no room to bitch.
Coaches want the game to be called consistently. That seems to be the case for most plays last night.
Like it or not — and I’m not saying I like it — holding is what the officials say it is. Nobody else’s opinion matters. Certainly not the opinion of fans on a message board who have never officiated a play in their lives.
Most fans only see (or want to see) the calls in a way that favors their team. I didn’t see a single post that said PSU should have been called for a penalty. Not one — all season.
For every complaint PSU had about non-calls, Oregon fans can find an equal number against PSU linemen. Does anyone believe PSU racked up all that yardage without its share of grabbed jerseys?
Do officials make mistakes? Absolutely. Do they miss things? You bet. Impossible to see everything. That’s part of the game every team knows it must overcome.
Do officials cheat? Hell no!!! And they should NEVER be accused of it without absolute proof.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Donaghy
Tim sends his regards from Federal prison.

 

[Kasparaitis]

Yea, I don't understand a lobbied flag. That said, the hand movement caused the Oregon pursuit to pull up. That was pretty clear from the replay. I don't think there would have been much of a return had they not been faked out, so thinking that PSU got jobbed there is not particularly founded.

The biggest factor is always the stuff that doesn't get called, typically holding and pass interference. Carter was clearly held a lot but then our DBs were pushing their receivers out of bounds with impunity. I'm sure there was stuff like this both ways but it really negates an advantage when you have a DE like Carter. That's one of the reasons I wanted him at LB. He's not going to be engaged instantly with the snap of the ball.

"Let them play" is a terrible way to officiate a game. You prepare and learn the game thinking a penalty is a penalty. When that breaks down it becomes a game of who can adjust to the officiating corruption. That's not football.

Let them play is only appropriate if one side isn’t getting an advantage. When lineman hold preventing a sack that is not let them play. Similarly when a defender grabs the receiver’s jersey to stop him from catching the ball, that is not letting them play. Let them play is when the receiver and defender are jostling each other to a standoff or someone on the other side of the field does something that is technically against the rules but doesn’t affect the play.

 

[heckmans]

Boys will be boys will always be one of the most infuriating things I’ve ever heard after this game.

Which mercenary QB will the Ducks be trotting out in September?

Whichever one Phil Knight is willing to pay for.

There's a little bit of irony now, that every bit of PSU merch with a swoosh you buy, funds a little bit of Oregon NIL.

 

[Kasparaitis]

Whichever one Phil Knight is willing to pay for.

There's a little bit of irony now, that every bit of PSU merch with a swoosh you buy, funds a little bit of Oregon NIL.

Nike’s stock is down over 30% in the last year and around 20% for five years so I must not be the only one who told Nike to take their swoosh and stick it.

 

[bvillebaron]

A poorly officiated game. I would like to think it was incompetence, not bias. Perhaps for a game of this magnitude, 2 more officials would help. More eyes on the game as it unfolds. PSU got the short end of the stick.

1. The fair catch: the returner needs to either make a clear signal of a fair catch or no hand signal at all. It confuses the tacklers. Correct call.
2. The last interception by Oregon: the Oregon defender had a handful of the WR's jersey. That helped him to intercept the ball. Should have been DPI.
3. The refs badly missed a roughing the passer/ unnecessary roughness call on an Allar play. Play stops when the whistle blows.

You missed the fact that Oregon had several offensive lineman downfield, including one at least 5 yards downfield on Oregon’s next to last TD. Unbelievably obvious call yet there was an official standing right there with his head up his you know what.

 

[bvillebaron]

Every team in every sport at the high school level is (or should be) taught to adjust to the way each game is being officiated. And if they fail to adjust, they’ve got no room to bitch.
Coaches want the game to be called consistently. That seems to be the case for most plays last night.
Like it or not — and I’m not saying I like it — holding is what the officials say it is. Nobody else’s opinion matters. Certainly not the opinion of fans on a message board who have never officiated a play in their lives.
Most fans only see (or want to see) the calls in a way that favors their team. I didn’t see a single post that said PSU should have been called for a penalty. Not one — all season.
For every complaint PSU had about non-calls, Oregon fans can find an equal number against PSU linemen. Does anyone believe PSU racked up all that yardage without its share of grabbed jerseys?
Do officials make mistakes? Absolutely. Do they miss things? You bet. Impossible to see everything. That’s part of the game every team knows it must overcome.
Do officials cheat? Hell no!!! And they should NEVER be accused of it without absolute proof.

Which would explain why an NBA official was charged after he was found to have fixed games a few years back huh? Get off your high horse.

 

[rrdd2021]

we can beat both SMU and Boise State...assume we then get Georgia in the Semi's..whoa Nellie ! Also..I bet Ohio State beats Oregon 2nd time around..

OSU is the team I'm not betting on or against and it all depends on their state of mind. They could easily flop in the 1st game (bye bye Ryan Cooper Day) or win it all. Good luck trying to figure those bozos out

 

[baircub1!]

A poorly officiated game. I would like to think it was incompetence, not bias. Perhaps for a game of this magnitude, 2 more officials would help. More eyes on the game as it unfolds. PSU got the short end of the stick.

1. The fair catch: the returner needs to either make a clear signal of a fair catch or no hand signal at all. It confuses the tacklers. Correct call.
2. The last interception by Oregon: the Oregon defender had a handful of the WR's jersey. That helped him to intercept the ball. Should have been DPI.
3. The refs badly missed a roughing the passer/ unnecessary roughness call on an Allar play. Play stops when the whistle blows.

You make a good point. Though I would add that we have def seen a drop in the “ quality “ of officials and it’s easy to look at youth sports to see where the issue may be..

Like any profession training and finding a clear path to the next level along with appropriate pay increases gives anyone a reason to be better at their jobs.

We have a real challenge finding officials here on Long Island in almost every sport.. I assume it may be the same with other states.

Poor pay , abusive parents and little movement of young professionals in the field is making it even more difficult to improve the overall quality in the profession.

At the College and Pro level., these are multi billion dollar businesses .. why wouldn’t a larger amount of money brought in by the leagues go towards training and improving the overall quality of officials.. at EVERY level !!!!!!!

Youth , HS , College , Pro ?

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Donaghy
Tim sends his regards from Federal prison.

LMAO. The b2g has had several scandals involving their football Officials.... They have tried to keep their terminations hush-hush, but they've had them. FullOfShitz sanctimonious bull$hit about these bozo's having integrity beyond reproach is laughable nonsense.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Donaghy
Tim sends his regards from Federal prison.

Here's an example of what I'm talking about - hit the following HOTLINK:

Big Ten ref's checkered background scares fellow officials​

But these guys have integrity beyond reproach.... just oozing integrity according to arrogant, pedantic, a-hole FullOfShitz... [insert eyeroll].

 

[bdgan]

PSU didn't lose because of officiating.

IIRC the Evans catch that was called incomplete was followed by a big completion and eventual score. It sounds like the officials didn't have time to review it because we lined up quickly for the next play. That must have been more important than the call to Franklin.

Carter was definitely held a couple of times but IMO the staff has to understand how the game is being called and adjust accordingly. Holding or not we got a total of 1 sack and zero turnovers. Oregon used our aggressiveness against us with quick slants. I think the staff should have expected that and made adjustments. Instead they kept doing the same thing hoping for better results.

I don't know about illegal men downfield. I'd have to see that again.

In the end I think we lost because of defensive scheme and Allar's two INTs.

 

[lazydave841]

IIRC the Evans catch that was called incomplete was followed by a big completion and eventual score. It sounds like the officials didn't have time to review it because we lined up quickly for the next play. That must have been more important than the call to Franklin

CBS had enough time to show the replay of the catch twice before we ran our next play. Certainly that is enough for a replay official to see it and call down. Particularly when the on field refs changed their minds (it went from catch to no catch), that should initiate a review.

I don't know about illegal men downfield. I'd have to see that again.

Watch it for yourself.

the staff has to understand how the game is being called and adjust accordingly

If that doesn't get called, it basically means holding doesn't exist. That's a terrible miss or a terrible example of "letting them play".

 

[heckmans]

Nike’s stock is down over 30% in the last year and around 20% for five years so I must not be the only one who told Nike to take their swoosh and stick it.

Not sure it's impacting 86yo Phil Knight's quest to see a Natty in Eugene before he dies.

Phil Knight spares no NIL deal in thirst for Oregon national title: 'He's gonna help me make my shoe'

Most people assume the Nike co-founder's involvement in Oregon's recruiting operation, but the level of specificity uncovered Wednesday is noteworthy

www.cbssports.com

 

[Lion84]

Boys will be boys will always be one of the most infuriating things I’ve ever heard after this game.

Which mercenary QB will the Ducks be trotting out in September?

Ewers from UT.

 

[KCLion]

Ewers from UT.

Didn’t they already steal a top QB from UCLA?

 

[Obliviax]

CBS had enough time to show the replay of the catch twice before we ran our next play. Certainly that is enough for a replay official to see it and call down. Particularly when the on field refs changed their minds (it went from catch to no catch), that should initiate a review.

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If that doesn't get called, it basically means holding doesn't exist. That's a terrible miss or a terrible example of "letting them play".

I "get" missing the holding and/or illegal lineman downfield calls. But that pass was a travesty. They called it complete...then incomplete...no buzz down from the replay official. Fortunately, we got a first down a play later so it didn't impact the game. But it did show that the refs were incompetent both in terms of on-field calls as well as the process for correcting a blatant incorrect call. The fact that they changed it should have resulted in a replay review automatically.

 

[bvillebaron]

PSU didn't lose because of officiating.

IIRC the Evans catch that was called incomplete was followed by a big completion and eventual score. It sounds like the officials didn't have time to review it because we lined up quickly for the next play. That must have been more important than the call to Franklin.

Carter was definitely held a couple of times but IMO the staff has to understand how the game is being called and adjust accordingly. Holding or not we got a total of 1 sack and zero turnovers. Oregon used our aggressiveness against us with quick slants. I think the staff should have expected that and made adjustments. Instead they kept doing the same thing hoping for better results.

I don't know about illegal men downfield. I'd have to see that again.

In the end I think we lost because of defensive scheme and Allar's two INTs.

You don’t know about illegal men downfield? Are you blind?

 

[lazydave841]

You don’t know about illegal men downfield? Are you blind?

CBS went out of their way to show the play twice after it occurred. Danielson: "Oregon got away with one there."

 

[Cowbell Man]

A poorly officiated game. I would like to think it was incompetence, not bias. Perhaps for a game of this magnitude, 2 more officials would help. More eyes on the game as it unfolds. PSU got the short end of the stick.

1. The fair catch: the returner needs to either make a clear signal of a fair catch or no hand signal at all. It confuses the tacklers. Correct call.
2. The last interception by Oregon: the Oregon defender had a handful of the WR's jersey. That helped him to intercept the ball. Should have been DPI.
3. The refs badly missed a roughing the passer/ unnecessary roughness call on an Allar play. Play stops when the whistle blows.

They didn’t badly miss it if you subscribe to the Gary Danielson theory of refereeing. That is to ignore correct calls so as not to insert yourself into the game. This is only at certain times of the game, which Gary declared at that moment….was one of them. He did not elaborate when it was ok to see a personal foul and call it. Just not that moment.

The DL was alone with Allar after several whistles killing the play and his other defenders had disengaged. Knowing Danielson’s rules, the DL appropriately threw Allar to the ground.

 

[Obliviax]

They didn’t badly miss it if you subscribe to the Gary Danielson theory of refereeing. That is to ignore correct calls so as not to insert yourself into the game. This is only at certain times of the game, which Gary declared at that moment….was one of them. He did not elaborate when it was ok to see a personal foul and call it. Just not that moment.

The DL was alone with Allar after several whistles killing the play and his other defenders had disengaged. Knowing Danielson’s rules, the DL appropriately threw Allar to the ground.

Agreed. The rules are the rules. Call them as you see fit no matter the game, time of the game, or play. Anything else is a mockery. If you "don't" call a foul that is clearly a foul, you are changing the game. You are "inserting yourself" into the game. Total BS by Danielson, IMHO>

 

[SR108]

PSU didn't lose because of officiating.

IIRC the Evans catch that was called incomplete was followed by a big completion and eventual score. It sounds like the officials didn't have time to review it because we lined up quickly for the next play. That must have been more important than the call to Franklin.

Carter was definitely held a couple of times but IMO the staff has to understand how the game is being called and adjust accordingly. Holding or not we got a total of 1 sack and zero turnovers. Oregon used our aggressiveness against us with quick slants. I think the staff should have expected that and made adjustments. Instead they kept doing the same thing hoping for better results.

I don't know about illegal men downfield. I'd have to see that again.

In the end I think we lost because of defensive scheme and Allar's two INTs.

Would agree except for the Oregon tight end push off catch. Clearly OPI in front of official. Definite impact on the score.