According to Phil G, As with many posters on this board, the Pryts family has

[psengr82]

My son is a rising junior at main. He's in Schreyer so you know he was a good student in HS. I told him that if he chose either Pitt or ND I wouldn't give him one dollar...and then encouraged him to apply. Seriously, if he had gone to either school I wouldn't have sent one dollar. He had all the other schools to choose from...is that bad or was I too limiting?

 

[JayWye]

major hard feelings against the Penn St administration on the way Joe Pa.s firing was handled and it is impacting the recruitment of Andrew Pryts.

The senior Pryts played with Tom Bradley

If true, these folks are more than a little misguided...the PSU admin that made those decisions is for the most part long gone.

 

[psuguy04]

What some of you fail to grasp is, this isn't a football issue. When you start viewing it merely in terms of football ("this thing is rollling", "way to cut off your nose to spite your face"), then all it does is feed the idea that we are a cult.

This is way, way more than football. I suspect Ed Pryts realizes this, and some of you do not.

And what you fail to realize is that there's a decent chance Phil Grosz is wrong in his characterization of the Pryts family.

 

[BobPSU92]

I bleed Blue and White but would never allow any of my kids to attend Penn State with the current old guard BOT in place. I am paying out of state tuition for my oldest to attend Michigan rather than in state for PSU. My youngest wants to go for engineering and also will not be allowed to apply to PSU. It's my money and I also have the responsibility to guide my children responsibly. I don't fault others but I know enough, that I simply will not allow my children in their hands.

Wow. Over the top. How many students are actually in the bot's hands?

 

[BobPSU92]

DUDE, you are truly a simpleton. If you think you're sending your kid to Michigan somehow has any affect on the BoT you are sorely mistaken. If you're trying to send a message, then you've failed miserably.

The school you sent your kid go to allowed an accused rapist play on their football team and represent Michigan for 3 years. Hope you and your kid are proud of that.

Yes I am a PSU grad and will let my kids decide themselves where they want to go to college. I will not let a few individuals affect theirs or my view of an entire university.

um has had plenty of scandals that their "leadership" did not handle properly. One other is child pornography at their hospital. I guess those scandals don't matter. Please take my money, um.

 

[Mister Magoo]

Pretty sure PSU football will survive/thrive with/without Andrew Pryts and pops. It's a free country. Go wherever the hell you want. James Franklin can recruit someone better
than junior.

 

[NICNEM_PSU80]

I am as pissed off at the Old Guard BoT as anyone. I have concluded that they are not PSU and we are! That said, My son is graduating with a Master's in Accounting and My Daughter is entering her Junior year. Both chose PSU! I am glad and proud that they did.

 

[joeparules]

Food for thought ... one out of every 40 engineers in the U.S. got their degree from Penn State. I am very proud to be one of them.

My older daughter just graduated from PSU and has a job with one of the oldest insurance companies in the country. My younger daughter is looking at several colleges and hopes to get into PSU main campus, but it is her decision ... not mine. I will support her wherever she ends up. Bottom line for me is letting your child go where they feel most comfortable and poises them best for getting a job.

 

[danvillenit]

You really have a hard time believing that?? Hell I went here had 2 sons graduated from here and I hate this f'n place right now. Anybody that doesn't feel this way is a freakin nuts. BOT destroyed our university. Just think if you actually played here and are friends with coaches like scrap and loved JoePa.

I get on this site 10 times a day hoping Like hell I see an article where the good guys start winning.

Count me as "freakin nuts" I still love PSU.

 

[psuguy04]

Bottom line for me is letting your child go where they feel most comfortable and poises them best for getting a job.

Exactly.

Look at PSU, as you should for any school, as a value proposition. If another school provides a better value, then so be it. I can't imagine steering my child any other way.

To exclude PSU (or Michigan, or Pitt) just because of the BOT is foolish. I'm one who believes that if you're so pissed off at the BOT and so offended by the actions, you should stop donating, stop going to games, etc. But, intentionally steering a child/forbidding him from choosing PSU if it provides the best overall value is sad on your part, not the BOT's.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

If he was so upset with PSU he wouldn't have visited a handful of times the last 2 years. Maybe the kid just wants to go elsewhere or some are freaking out as he is looking around. Hell he is at Stanford right now and maybe that opens up his eyes as it does for quite a few kids. I think there is still some time left, but the staff has to get him back on campus again. If not, he'll end up elsewhere. Oh well, next man up.

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

He used the words "I'm paying" and "It's my money". I take that to mean he is paying. That aside, if the student is 18, and most are as they enter college, they can go wherever they want as long as they pay their own way, by student loans and working. While some feel that is harsh, the two most successful people I know financially both went to college without a dime of parental help. While I paid for 95% of both my daughters' educations, sometimes I wonder if I made it too easy for them. Regardless, I find it hard to be critical of the decision someone else makes regarding their own children. No one knows their situation better than they do.

Back in the day, my Dad used those words as well. Even while he was not paying a red cent.

 

[kgilbert78]

I am glad my parents didn't dictate to me where I could and couldnt apply.

My parents didn't--but the money (or lack thereof) did. At least I didn't have to go to Buck U (i.e. Bucks Co. Community College).

 

[lionlurker]

The point is, Mr. Pryts is free to have his own opinions about what PSU is and/or has become. If he chooses to think differently about the place after what has happened, nobody can blame him, because we all do. My kid going to Michigan had nothing to do with the scandal, but it's an example of the fact that there are many very fine schools out there, and if anybody thinks that PSU is the very top of the mountain either academically or athletically they are fooling themselves.

Young Mr. Pryts seemingly has a mother lode of good choices, and he probably can't lose no matter what choice he makes. However, the Pryts' owe Penn State nothing when it comes to deciding whose scholarship offer he will accept.

 

[psuguy04]

Back in the day, my Dad used those words as well. Even while he was not paying a red cent.

This is another great point. I hear so many parents say "I'm paying for college" or "It's my money", yet those same students graduate with a ton of debt.

Whose money is it? So few parents can truly afford to pay for ALL of a college education.

 

[SR108]

The kid has to go where he wants, and his dad should stay out of his way. Besides that obvious statement, how do the dad's feelings about how Joe and the football program were treated relate to whether or not his kid should play for James Franklin? Furthermore, a way to mitigate the damage that was done is to help the football program return to its glory as soon as possible. That will happen with quality student-athletes.

I agree with this. Ultimately, the student athlete should make the decision. If the young man is leaning to another school, I would guess it is because that other school is doing a good job selling themselves. I am skeptical that the decision comes down to how the BOT mistreated Joe.

 

[kgilbert78]

I agree with this. Ultimately, the student athlete should make the decision. If the young man is leaning to another school, I would guess it is because that other school is doing a good job selling themselves. I am skeptical that the decision comes down to how the BOT mistreated Joe.

It may not--but to think it isn't at least a factor is kinda silly too. My niece had some interest in PSU. 5 years ago I would have pushed it. Now? No. She's going to RIT for engineering--and to be fair she said she didn't want a big school (farm girl at heart), which also influenced my attitude.

 

[CampbellLION]

major hard feelings against the Penn St administration on the way Joe Pa.s firing was handled and it is impacting the recruitment of Andrew Pryts.

The senior Pryts played with Tom Bradley

Andrew has made it clear that he is going to the school he wants to go to and being a PSU legacy isn't going to impact his decision. If he ends up at PSU, it's because that is where he wanted to go. His parent's opinion of what happened to JoePa isn't going to impact his decision much. PSU is probably third right now behind ND and Michigan, but he is still considering PSU and will be on campus again soon.

 

[Alphabets]

Well, then do what Wimbush did and listen to everyone else in your life instead of what's in your own heart. That's how I will advise my kids one day....do what others want you to do, never what you want.

Mom and Dad P., your son is getting a free education somewhere and not a dime will have to come out of your pocket. Let him choose. Stay out of it. If he chooses PSU, let it be his choice. If it's another school, let that be his choice as well. You're not getting the scholarship, your son is. Daddy P., your glory days are behind you, don't try to re-live them through your son. Step aside, pal.

 

[Art]

Well, then do what Wimbush did and listen to everyone else in your life instead of what's in your own heart. That's how I will advise my kids one day....do what others want you to do, never what you want.

Mom and Dad P., your son is getting a free education somewhere and not a dime will have to come out of your pocket. Let him choose. Stay out of it. If he chooses PSU, let it be his choice. If it's another school, let that be his choice as well. You're not getting the scholarship, your son is. Daddy P., your glory days are behind you, don't try to re-live them through your son. Step aside, pal.

How ofter do we read when a kid misbehaves that he's not old enough, or experienced enough to know better and make good decisions? Doesn't the same thing apply to his decision on which college to attend, which football program to be a part of?

In the cases of my three sons, we did not direct them to or away from specific schools, but did provide input. They made their own choices and none of them made the selection we would have in their place..

 

[jmisdamina]

I know a former player who will not support any of his children going to PSU. He and his wife set aside money for college and told the boys it can be used anywhere but PSU. They are both PSU grads and he is one of several family members who played for PSU. So the kids can go where they choose, just not on the parents dime.

My son can go wherever he wants, but I have a few schools I will not help out financially. PSU is one, I don't trust how it is run. The others are for how they treat military poorly. His mother and I are vets so they are offending us and those of which we served with personally.

This is money his mother and I earned, so we can place parameters on how it is spent. If he wants to pay for himself he has the right to choose.

 

[Alphabets]

How ofter do we read when a kid misbehaves that he's not old enough, or experienced enough to know better and make good decisions? Doesn't the same thing apply to his decision on which college to attend, which football program to be a part of?

In the cases of my three sons, we did not direct them to or away from specific schools, but did provide input. They made their own choices and none of them made the selection we would have in their place..

If this kid is misbehaving or making bad decisions, then i doubt the staff would be offering him. This isn't the average 18 year old going to college. These "kids" have to grow up quickly and become men if they want to survive on the the field and in the classroom. Also, as I said before, most parents are inclined to have their input since they are the one footing the bill. I know I certainly would. But, that is not the case here.

 

[psuguy04]

I know a former player who will not support any of his children going to PSU. He and his wife set aside money for college and told the boys it can be used anywhere but PSU. They are both PSU grads and he is one of several family members who played for PSU. So the kids can go where they choose, just not on the parents dime.

My son can go wherever he wants, but I have a few schools I will not help out financially. PSU is one, I don't trust how it is run. The others are for how they treat military poorly. His mother and I are vets so they are offending us and those of which we served with personally.

This is money his mother and I earned, so we can place parameters on how it is spent. If he wants to pay for himself he has the right to choose.

So....what you're telling me is: You'd financially strangle your children if they wanted to go PSU because of the BOT, even if PSU offered them the best chance of success (i.e. engineering, science or something along those lines)?

 

[Art]

If this kid is misbehaving or making bad decisions, then i doubt the staff would be offering him. This isn't the average 18 year old going to college. These "kids" have to grow up quickly and become men if they want to survive on the the field and in the classroom. Also, as I said before, most parents are inclined to have their input since they are the one footing the bill. I know I certainly would. But, that is not the case here.

I believe you missed my point......almost entirely.

 

[Alphabets]

I believe you missed my point......almost entirely.

Great. Then your point must have been crystal clear.

Good talk.

 

[lionlurker]

Would any of you who seem unhappy with the Pryts' point of view ever buy stock in a company whose management is corrupt, unethical, and possibly criminal? Hopefully not.

I applaud the fact that the Pryts are using every bit of information available to them to help make this decision. If he comes here, that is great, but if he doesn't, at least everybody will know that he made his decision with a level head, taking everything into account, instead of blindly following the family legacy to a place that apparently never existed the way we thought it did.

 

[psuguy04]

Would any of you who seem unhappy with the Pryts' point of view ever buy stock in a company whose management is corrupt, unethical, and possibly criminal? Hopefully not.

I applaud the fact that the Pryts are using every bit of information available to them to help make this decision. If he comes here, that is great, but if he doesn't, at least everybody will know that he made his decision with a level head, taking everything into account, instead of blindly following the family legacy to a place that apparently never existed the way we thought it did.

A couple of points that you're not considering, lionlurker:

- Phil Grosz reported this. We have no idea if his reporting is correct.
- PSU isn't a corporation, and PSU still offers a fantastic product. There are other ways to not support "corrupt, unethical and possibly criminal" management. Through legislative action, all of the above can be corrected if enough people dedicate themselves to the task.

 

[nits74]

A couple of points that you're not considering, lionlurker:

- Phil Grosz reported this. We have no idea if his reporting is correct.
- PSU isn't a corporation, and PSU still offers a fantastic product. There are other ways to not support "corrupt, unethical and possibly criminal" management. Through legislative action, all of the above can be corrected if enough people dedicate themselves to the task.

A couple of points that you're not considering, lionlurker:

- Phil Grosz reported this. We have no idea if his reporting is correct.
- PSU isn't a corporation, and PSU still offers a fantastic product. There are other ways to not support "corrupt, unethical and possibly criminal" management. Through legislative action, all of the above can be corrected if enough people dedicate themselves to the task.

And therein lies the fallacy of your argument. Unfortunately, don't see this happening any time soon.

 

[psuguy04]

And therein lies the fallacy of your argument. Unfortunately, don't see this happening any time soon.

Well, if people would stop pissing around with email/letter campaigns and direct all energy towards the PA Legislature, we might get somewhere....although I don't disagree with you.

 

[nits74]

Well, if people would stop pissing around with email/letter campaigns and direct all energy towards the PA Legislature, we might get somewhere.

I just wonder how effective even that can be. Based on history alone, I have very little faith in the PA Legislature.

 

[lionlurker]

Actually, Phil is not the first to report this. I heard this somewhere a few weeks ago and posted it somewhere in a thread.

It might be bullshit, who knows, but Phil is not alone in talking about it.

 

[Westcoast24]

DUDE, you are truly a simpleton. If you think you're sending your kid to Michigan somehow has any affect on the BoT you are sorely mistaken. If you're trying to send a message, then you've failed miserably.

The school you sent your kid go to allowed an accused rapist play on their football team and represent Michigan for 3 years. Hope you and your kid are proud of that.

Yes I am a PSU grad and will let my kids decide themselves where they want to go to college. I will not let a few individuals affect theirs or my view of an entire university.

Smh.

 

[jmisdamina]

So....what you're telling me is: You'd financially strangle your children if they wanted to go PSU because of the BOT, even if PSU offered them the best chance of success (i.e. engineering, science or something along those lines)?

Would you give money to an organization you felt had corrupt leadership? How about an organization run by Erons former leaders? If my son can get into PSU he can get into a lot of other great schools. My wife did not go to PSU and has several impressive advanced degrees.

It is a poor investment with the leadership. Just like a stock I may invest in if I don't trust the leadership of the company I will not invest.

The BOT is either corrupt, knew what was going on, or is so incompetent they never managed the university. None of those options will I invest in.

 

[psuguy04]

Would you give money to an organization you felt had corrupt leadership? How about an organization run by Erons former leaders? If my son can get into PSU he can get into a lot of other great schools. My wife did not go to PSU and has several impressive advanced degrees.

It is a poor investment with the leadership. Just like a stock I may invest in if I don't trust the leadership of the company I will not invest.

The BOT is either corrupt, knew what was going on, or is so incompetent they never managed the university. None of those options will I invest in.

No, it's not a poor investment. That's your opinion because you can't separate your feelings for the BOT from whether the university still produces quality products (i.e. graduates).

The facts are that PSU is a fantastic university, and continues to produce excellent graduates. I understand why many are upset, but in some areas, a PSU education (particularly in engineering and science areas) is heads and heels better than most other options on the market. To blatantly forbade a kid, or to financially handcuff him, just because he/she wants to choose what is a superior education is absurd.

 

[psu1969a]

major hard feelings against the Penn St administration on the way Joe Pa.s firing was handled and it is impacting the recruitment of Andrew Pryts.

The senior Pryts played with Tom Bradley

Part of the whole JVP firing was because a Father, Vic Surma, was pissed about how his son was handled on FB team (did not play much had Williams, Norwood and other receiver. Parents need to keep feelings out of it.

 

[Lion8286]

Smh.

Yeah, I know. In Michigan's fans minds the cover-up by their athletic department of the actions of Brendan Gibbons and Taylor Lewan never happened.

 

[lionlurker]

Regardless of whatever happened with the kicker, though, my kid's education was worth every penny. It's not all about football.

 

[jmisdamina]

No, it's not a poor investment. That's your opinion because you can't separate your feelings for the BOT from whether the university still produces quality products (i.e. graduates).

The facts are that PSU is a fantastic university, and continues to produce excellent graduates. I understand why many are upset, but in some areas, a PSU education (particularly in engineering and science areas) is heads and heels better than most other options on the market. To blatantly forbade a kid, or to financially handcuff him, just because he/she wants to choose what is a superior education is absurd.

Thus us not just feelings of anger. The university is either corrupt or incompetent. My hard earned money would never pay for either. My son did not earn the money, my wife and I did. He can find numerous other methods to pay if he desires.

It is a little ellitest to tell others how they should spend their money and teach responsibility. If you choose to spend on your children there you should.

 

[psuguy04]

Thus us not just feelings of anger. The university is either corrupt or incompetent. My hard earned money would never pay for either. My son did not earn the money, my wife and I did. He can find numerous other methods to pay if he desires.

It is a little ellitest to tell others how they should spend their money and teach responsibility. If you choose to spend on your children there you should.

It's not about telling someone how to spend their money. It's about giving someone the ability to make a well-informed decision about what's best for them, free of influence from someone who is blinded by anger.

A Penn State education, like any other, is a means to an end (comfortable life, good job, etc). If a prospective college student deems PSU (or Michigan, or any other school) the best fit and takes the time to do research....it's sad to think they won't be able to do what's best in their own minds because daddy is pissed off.

 

[lionlurker]

Every opinion comes from some kind of experience. You just don't like the fact that the BOT's actions are the root cause for the Pryts' family discussions.