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anybody listening to the UFO hearings today?

All of that is probably true (aside from your last paragraph). What is mind boggling to me is the notion that space aliens have harnessed the ability to warp or bend time. They have been able to approach or exceed the speed of light. And in doing so, changed the time continuum. And if that is true, then time travelers are not only possible but probable. And if one can time travel, it is entirely possible to go back in time and help the Nazi military assassinate Hitler/save Franz Ferdinand/convince Pontius Pilot to spare Jesus (etc.).

Einstein said that approaching the speed of light would slow down time. A planet 300 light years away would take 300 years to navigate to if traveling the speed of light. A being, of any type, would have to a) go faster than the speed of light or b) have a lifespan where 300 years was inconsequential. Einstein felt that light reflected reality. What you see and know is based on your perception of light as it bounces off of objects. If you can approach, exceed light, you can reverse time as you will see light before it is reflected. I can't wrap my head around that. Light simply reflects reality. If you go faster than light, you could see reality before it happened but you wouldn't be able to change it because it is simply the reflection of reality and not reality. So perhaps there are beings that are both: have life spans that are hundreds of thousands of years and can slow time with near-light speed.

What am I missing?
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All of that is probably true (aside from your last paragraph). What is mind boggling to me is the notion that space aliens have harnessed the ability to warp or bend time. They have been able to approach or exceed the speed of light. And in doing so, changed the time continuum. And if that is true, then time travelers are not only possible but probable. And if one can time travel, it is entirely possible to go back in time and help the Nazi military assassinate Hitler/save Franz Ferdinand/convince Pontius Pilot to spare Jesus (etc.).

Einstein said that approaching the speed of light would slow down time. A planet 300 light years away would take 300 years to navigate to if traveling the speed of light. A being, of any type, would have to a) go faster than the speed of light or b) have a lifespan where 300 years was inconsequential. Einstein felt that light reflected reality. What you see and know is based on your perception of light as it bounces off of objects. If you can approach, exceed light, you can reverse time as you will see light before it is reflected. I can't wrap my head around that. Light simply reflects reality. If you go faster than light, you could see reality before it happened but you wouldn't be able to change it because it is simply the reflection of reality and not reality. So perhaps there are beings that are both: have life spans that are hundreds of thousands of years and can slow time with near-light speed.

What am I missing?

You are missing the possibility that Einstein's theories are either wrong or incomplete.
 
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There are a few options here.

1. Military officers, pilots, soldiers and the military as a whole are lying, and they also created several agencies that suck out millions/billions. If that is the case, it is definitely worth exposing and figuring out what is going on. IE, why are huge sums being stolen from the taxpayers.

2. Foreign adversaries have advanced weapons that we do not have an are endangering our pilots and going into restricted airspace. And the military is hiding that from us.

3. We have advanced technology/weapons (seems likely here).

4. It is something else. Ridicule that as you wish, I am not making a claim there either way.

What I can say is, there are two kinds of people who drive me crazy, religious nuts and atheists. Or in this case, conspiracy nuts and skeptics. What do these people have in common? The inability to say "I don't know".

1. What is the "military as a whole" actually saying, so that we would have to sit in judgment of its veracity?

2. 'Kay. Seems rather alarmist, but, sure ... that's a possibility.

3. 'Kay. Seems rather alarmist, but, sure ... that's a possibility.

4. 'Kay. What is something else? Use your words. You used them to go on some silly rant about religious nuts and atheists (I am neither ... I'm an "I don't know" guy ... but I'm also reasonable enough to understand that current and past iterations of religions are laughable, at best ... and harmful in practical application).

But I'm not sure why you broke everything out the way you did ... government lying, weapons, weapons, something else ... those were your choices. What are we talking about? There's a bunch of unexplained "encounters" out there ... the government saw fit to investigate these ... as yet, a poop ton of them have been explained away as being a bunch of nothing interesting (balloons, birds, etc.), and a bunch of them are still indeterminate in nature ...

But the assumption amongst reasonable people is, given that everything like this, in the past, has been shown to have a "reasonable" explanation that isn't "advanced weaponry the military is hiding from us and of which we need to be frightened ... damn that government!" or aliens, that the as yet explained things are innocuous and uninteresting in origin.

And why are you attacking deGrasse Tyson?
 
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I don't think they are playing "peek-a-boo." In fact the incidents with our military are rather brazen. They have done everything but shoot us down. On the other hand, there is a UFO case in which a launched ballistic missile allegedly did get shot down. It is claimed that a UFO encircled the missile and fired some type of laser beam to destroy it. There may be other cases that impacted our test programs -- events that the military would obviously want to keep from the public.

Why monitor the military? That is rather simple on two counts:
  1. Suppose you were observing the behaviors of a lower species. Some within the species are going about feeding themselves and reproducing peacefully. Others for some reason are trying to kill each other. Which group gains your attention?
  2. Incidents appear to have increased after WW2, and there seems to be particular interest at nuclear facilities, missile sites, and nuclear-power ships. As an outside observer you are thus seeing a major technological step change in human evolution. You might be concerned of a new threat to peace in the galaxy.
Per our current physics we now rely on nuclear power when an application requires a concentrated source of power. It's just expensive. It would seem likely to me that a more advanced species merely found a way to make it cheap.

Per the "peek-a-boo" thought, to me these incidents parallel what we would be doing if visiting a less developed planet. We would study the planet's biology, and try not to interfere with what occurs naturally. Otherwise we would be ruining the study itself. I think at least some of the abduction cases are for real. It's also not a stretch to imagine that a biological program might be interested in a hybrid species.

You can be willing to say "I don't know," but that doesn't make it any less sensible to look at the possibilities and run with what is most likely. Is there really much difference between "alien" and believing that this is something from another "dimension" -- what we might even call spiritual? In both cases we are going beyond the realm of the current human population. To me it seems a much greater stretch to think that ALL of these cases are of human origin.

The "higher creature" makes sense unless you believe that not only can humans develop exotic technology -- energy, materials, navigation -- with extreme speed, but then that all of the cases that involve witnesses of non-humans are patently FALSE. To me that is a huge stretch, a statistical improbability.

It seems much more likely to me that some other species in the galaxy merely advanced faster than humans have advanced, and we have not advanced enough to understand them.

Knight, as I said, I'm not ruling your scenario out either.

I take your point about some of these encounters but a lot of them seem to me to have a certain peek-a-boo quality. Keep in mind, I'm using that expression figuratively and don't intend it as way to trivialize the issue. I mean, all you need is one definitely not peek-a-boo experience to potentially validate the rest...or many of the rest.

My main point is that given how much we don't know...and can hardly even imagine...we should keep our minds open to that which cannot be comprehended...for example, discarnate intelligences and/or extra-dimensionality.
 
Knight, as I said, I'm not ruling your scenario out either.

I take your point about some of these encounters but a lot of them seem to me to have a certain peek-a-boo quality. Keep in mind, I'm using that expression figuratively and don't intend it as way to trivialize the issue. I mean, all you need is one definitely not peek-a-boo experience to potentially validate the rest...or many of the rest.

My main point is that given how much we don't know...and can hardly even imagine...we should keep our minds open to that which cannot be comprehended...for example, discarnate intelligences and/or extra-dimensionality.

We have that experience. It just hasn't occurred to the skeptics on this board.
 
This is one of those things that fall into the "you have to see it to believe it" category. There are other possibilities than distant aliens visiting earth. 1) We've only explored around 5% of the world's oceans. This is the aquaman possibility. 2) Time travelers, which is a theoretical possibility with just what we know now. 3) Other dimensions, which is also a theoretical possibility. Lastly, I believe string theory makes faster than light travel possible.

With the Webb telescope discovering mysteries of the universe almost daily, how can anyone claim that what we know now is the limit of what's knowable?
 
This is one of those things that fall into the "you have to see it to believe it" category. There are other possibilities than distant aliens visiting earth. 1) We've only explored around 5% of the world's oceans. This is the aquaman possibility. 2) Time travelers, which is a theoretical possibility with just what we know now. 3) Other dimensions, which is also a theoretical possibility. Lastly, I believe string theory makes faster than light travel possible.

With the Webb telescope discovering mysteries of the universe almost daily, how can anyone claim that what we know now is the limit of what's knowable?

I think some of the skeptics here would have the same negative, condescending reactions to your list. Alien visitation might even be more palatable to them. All of these require thinking out of the box.

Alternative ideas for the source of consciousness is in the same class of problems. Does a brain create consciousness or is the brain merely a conduit for consciousness? Perhaps it is merely what connects two worlds that are already a part of many belief systems.

Like the UFO subject, any change from prevailing ideas tends to get met with extreme resistance by lots of people. No one wants their world view disrupted, especially if they publicly took a position that doesn't fit too well with new information.

Absolute "proof" -- to move people -- becomes increasingly more difficult, as we should expect, on any ground-breaking issue.
 
And I was correct. Been laughing all those years. Gonna be laughing next four, or until I buy the farm. Life is good. Enjoy yours .

LOL.... Yeah Vic..... You've been laughing all these years..... BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
 
This is one of those things that fall into the "you have to see it to believe it" category. There are other possibilities than distant aliens visiting earth. 1) We've only explored around 5% of the world's oceans. This is the aquaman possibility. 2) Time travelers, which is a theoretical possibility with just what we know now. 3) Other dimensions, which is also a theoretical possibility. Lastly, I believe string theory makes faster than light travel possible.

With the Webb telescope discovering mysteries of the universe almost daily, how can anyone claim that what we know now is the limit of what's knowable?

I was walkin my muttercorgi n once came across an Iranian fella and a cheeky British chap. They were wearin Ren n Stimpy hats and told me they were were cousins and bofe related to Poseidan. I actually beliebed abaht 90% of their little Billy Wonka tale. They were mistaken in a couple regards - in regards to een ol Poseidan cant shoot u thru the wormhole to the new Al Golden city and neither can Eloon...

The plasma phire will come one day and Eloon doesnt have a bunker borehole that could Save anybody from it here or on Mars or Buzz Aldrin's minigolf ranch
 
This is one of those things that fall into the "you have to see it to believe it" category. There are other possibilities than distant aliens visiting earth. 1) We've only explored around 5% of the world's oceans. This is the aquaman possibility. 2) Time travelers, which is a theoretical possibility with just what we know now. 3) Other dimensions, which is also a theoretical possibility. Lastly, I believe string theory makes faster than light travel possible.

With the Webb telescope discovering mysteries of the universe almost daily, how can anyone claim that what we know now is the limit of what's knowable?

I was walkin my muttercorgi n once came across an Iranian fella and a cheeky British chap. They were wearin Ren n Stimpy hats and told me they were were cousins and bofe related to Poseidan. I actually beliebed abaht 90% of their little Billy Wonka tale. They were mistaken in a couple regards - in regards to een ol Poseidan cant shoot u thru the wormhole to the new Al Golden city and neither can Eloon
 
I was walkin my muttercorgi n once came across an Iranian fella and a cheeky British chap. They were wearin Ren n Stimpy hats and told me they were were cousins and bofe related to Poseidan. I actually beliebed abaht 90% of their little Billy Wonka tale. They were mistaken in a couple regards - in regards to een ol Poseidan cant shoot u thru the wormhole to the new Al Golden city and neither can Eloon

If this isn't proof of multidimensions, I don't know what is.
 
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Multiple dimensions or the reality that you shouldn't mix bath salts and psychedelics.


You're 2 xfinity and beyond it when it comes to the scientifical and supernatural. Like all good murican boomerz and government desk jockys you belieb in thangs u saw wit ya own 2 eyes - like when Buzz Eldrin played golf on the moon on da tv. Like when they rounded ya up in 4th grade in 86' to watch that ship blow up and all the blueprintz to get back to moon golf with it.
 
Multiple dimensions or the reality that you shouldn't mix bath salts and psychedelics.

For the sake of the ^ that created u n me lil pp- I dont like tellin ya this. The trooth is the akademy didnt shoot ya up the rat puhramid cause youre an amazin guy. A simple stooge that likes gettin spiderweb tattoos on his neck after drunk LaX banquet and dully and repitively preying on maga grandmas. Do what ya told and beleib the newest psy op simple pp...
 
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For the sake of the ^ that created u n me lil pp- I dont like tellin ya this. The trooth is the akademy didnt shoot ya up the rat puhramid cause youre an amazin guy. A simple stooge that likes gettin spiderweb tattoos on his neck after drunk LaX banquet and dully and repitively preying on maga grandmas. Do what ya told and beleib the newest psy op simple pp...

Listen JarJar, don't your people live in oceans?
 
You're 2 xfinity and beyond it when it comes to the scientifical and supernatural. Like all good murican boomerz and government desk jockys you belieb in thangs u saw wit ya own 2 eyes - like when Buzz Eldrin played golf on the moon on da tv. Like when they rounded ya up in 4th grade in 86' to watch that ship blow up and all the blueprintz to get back to moon golf with it.
Why do you waste time intentionally making posts that are unintelligible?
 
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They arent- youre just extremely dull with a Naza shrine in ya attic and a gubermint pension and jump into the frickis like a Pavlov's dawg without 7th grade English class context skills
 
I witnessed something similar while I was fishing alone maybe 25 years ago.

What I observed was an object move across the sky at a high rate of speed. It came to an abrupt stop and then increased substantially in brightness. Then, objects very similar to what was surrounding that plane in the video before those objects apparently made that plane 'disappear'.

They were chasing each other in a war games type manor before they eventually moved behind a tree line that obstructed my view. Total elapsed time: maybe 3 minutes.

The hair on the back of my neck was standing and a shiver went down my spine as I observed what I could not - and still cannot explain.
Seeing is believing. Those who don't get it have never had an experience and probably don't look up much as they are busy with running the grind and achieving things within a mundane life. As much as we think we understand things like geometry we really don't, the fact that UFO's exist and can do the things they've been observed doing tells us we simply are still at the basics of such things. Rocket propulsion as we're doing it today is bicycle stuff compared to what UFO's obviously do. Cave man stuff if you will. Forcing yourself against the fabric of the universe or the forces of this world as compared to manipulating time and space or just using time and space to your advantage is where science should be going. But I guess you have to walk before you can run.
 
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Multiple dimensions or the reality that you shouldn't mix bath salts and psychedelics.
"What are all these "other dimensions" I keep hearing about? To me, there's only one dimension worth anything, and that's the good ol' U. S. of A." - Jack Handey
 
They arent- youre just extremely dull with a Naza shrine in ya attic and a gubermint pension and jump into the frickis like a Pavlov's dawg without 7th grade English class context skills

So you're claiming they're unintentionally unintelligible. Got it. It's a bold strategy, Cotton ... let's see if it pays off for you.
 
Don't be a racist twit

It's a damn shame you got through 4 years a' college and nobody ever taught u the difference between ethnicity/race and religion.

I bring up religion because technofuturist sock puppets like Elon and company are gonna be using the "alien" psy-op to discount Christianity, etc. and to ingratiate people into all types of goofy techno idol worship.
 
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Report: USA and Israel have been in contact with Space Aliens. The aliens are waiting until humans catch up enough to understand and comprehend space travel.

I report, you decide.

 
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I report, you decide.


We've been having a dialogue for 70 years.

Truman had to come up with a way to deal with incidents like the one in 1947. He created the Air Force and the CIA. The CIA quickly became a rogue organization capable of bringing down the presidency itself.

By 1954 some suspicious activity by Eisenhower led many to speculate that he was meeting with ETs. The Cold War had begun. Eisenhower warned that "defense" could easily get out of control. War would become profitable.

During the 60s our nuclear missile sites were being monitored. We had sent up a nuclear flare to the cosmos in 1945. That generated immediate interest. Alien abductions began to occur. Wild speculation is that Eisenhower had agreed to the study of our biology. Maybe it involved genetic engineering (of hybrid creatures). If you were an insider wanting to expose ETs you would be killed, even if you were the President.

During the 70s UFO activity began to soar. The public started seeing this stuff. Undeniable abduction cases became public. (Hickson/Parker in 73 and Walton in 75, among others)

By the 80s we were in full-bore reverse engineering mode, but still unable to duplicate the propulsion system with native materials. Still, it was time to threaten the USSR with Star Wars. We finally had a president that would put space lasers ahead of feeding children.

During the 90s the money to fund these programs became untraceable and disconnected from stewardship, but at least we brought down the USSR. Our visitors no longer cared to remain hidden. They would drift over large cities in craft large enough to cover a college campus.

By the turn of the century it became clear that our military was not only being monitored, but at times dealing with interference. The 2004 and 2015 incidents got leaked as another Blue Book "cover office" (AATIP) was installed to provide a smoke screen.

By 2024 we had had enough of the nonsense. Time for whistle-blowers. Trump expecting to dismantle the Deep State. It is now time to expose all of the secrecy and corruption.

Will the audits run deep enough and with enough detail, or will it still be possible to bury the cost of reverse engineering programs within the overhead cost of toilet seats?

Exciting times. Stay tuned.
 
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