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Apke runs a 4.35 40....4.34 OFFICIAL TIME
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I agree. He does not now have the coverage, ball awareness, that is a requirement for most NFL Safety's. But he is a very solid tackler and it was great to see him have a nice Senior season. It would be fantastic if he could make a living in the NFL on special teams for a couple years and continue to develop, ending up as a starting NFL Safety.
And the fact that both his parents lettered at pitt, Dad in football and Mom in T&F I believe, made it that much sweeter when CJF brought him to PSU.
Should have by far the best Oline of Franklin’s tenure. Hopefully will offset the loss of Barkley. Depth and quality of wide recievers should be at least equal to last year. There will be a drop off at tight end most likely. With Trace back I see at least a push on Offense.
why he was so worried about the WR (actually #2) I have no clue, if stays on the hash (as he should) he probably picks it off.
That's the nature of college football. Every team has losses that hit each team differently. For PSU, in my view it is about Safety and DT. But at both positions there are players that have played a lot of football and are also great athletes, particularly at Safety.
At DT Givens and Windsor have 2 years of experience, and CJF has recruited well at DT,
At Safety Monroe, if healthy is one of the teams best athletes. Scott has made great progress transitioning from offense. And Wade will be a "player" as a DB, with not reason to believe he won't transition nicely to Safety. And Taylor and Petrichen have the potential to surprise with their contributions. With a couple of younger players also apparently fighting for playing time in Sutherland and Humphries. This roster has more talent now than it has had in 10+ years.
As someone already stated, having a very successful QB returning is a recipe for success.
And there are positions that were average last year where continued development will turn them into strengths. OL. DE.
Just the nature of college football.
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Yep. Developing targets to complement JJ and Thompkins is the top issue on offense as I see it. But having a 3 year starter at QB helping to mentor the young WR's and TE's will be a great help.
Right but is the sum of the parts another 10-12 win season? I don't think it is. Which is okay. We're not going to be 10-2 or better every year.
I do think Wisconsin is better than us on paper but we get them at home. Ohio State and Michigan State beat us last year. I'm not sure they're any worse this year and I don't think we're better on paper than last year so those are games we can lose. I like Iowa next year but we should be favorites in that game. I don't like our odds at Michigan if they have Patterson. I don't think 8-4 or 9-3 next year is bad unless your concern is McSorley winning a Heisman
Last year's PSU team would beat last years's MSU team 9 of 10 times.
Not sure where the reference to a 12 win season comes from.
Sure, one of these years CJF's team will lose more than 2 games even though they are very talented. But I don't really see the analysis that leads to next year's team being much less successful than the 2017 team. That does not mean to me that they won't lose an additional game. But that they will be just as exciting and talented.
Agree. Apke's combine stats are crazy good, but Allen has so much quality video to which he can point. His only weakness is his pass coverage, which could stand a little improvement.. But he hits like a ton of bricks, and his run support is fantastic.
just like the JVP comment, you left out the, 'why was he so worried about the WR (#2).....
But I guess you are a J.M.I.T
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I'm really looking forward to the draft...in past years I kinda blew it off after the first round but I'll be glued to the tube this year.
We disagree on the first statement. I think Penn State and Michigan State were fairly comparable though I agree we are better...just not 9 out of 10 better. That game leans toward us this year only because we're at home. We're losing more than MSU though from last year.
10-12 wins is what most are saying for next year
I'm not saying they won't be talented or exciting. We disagree on "just as talented" than last year. You don't lose the best player in the college game and remain "as talented". Barkley was the focus of every defense and his ability on KRs greatly benefited us.
Agreed--lots of Penn Staters that can go between the 2nd and 7th...should be fun
Had to make up for his comment earlier in the day when Mayock called Grant Haley underrated... Sanders comment was that was because no good Corners ever came out of Penn State
MSU might be better in 2018, but it took a 4 hour rain storm, the worst game PSU played in 3 years, PSU sitting for hours in a dump of a locker room during a delay, and OT for MSU to win AT HOME last year.
I've not heard anyone say 12 wins next year. To be as "successful" next year would be 10 regular season wins.
Most seem to believe that a better OL next year will allow our running game to be at least as good without Barkley. Since there is plenty of RB talent on the roster.
Yes Barkley ran back 2 KO's for TD's. In 15 attempt in his career. And we have talent to get 2 special team TD's in 2018 as well. An experienced punt returner (Thompkins) and an infusion of punt return talent potential, and the infusion of lots of KO return talent, including Slade and Brown.
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Multiple posters have said they think, given the schedule, that we run the table next year. All the tough games in their minds are at home. No one said 12 wins are needed to be successful. I think 9 next year is successful.
I don't think the RB talent is close to as good as this board believes or that any improved line play can make up for the difference between Saquon and Miles or any other back on pretty much any roster in college football.
Ummm...2 out of 15 is very, very good.
I'm not going to say how many wins would make for a successful year because of the player turnover its hard to determine. I will say we will have a more athletic team especially on defense no matter who starts at LB and safety. I'm sure on of the redshirts from last year will become the darling of the media this year.
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no stick to the BOT stuff, you actually know what you are talking about there. in this case you are very wrong. First the outside guy didnt run the deep route, go watch the tape again. #2 goes deep (not the jersey # the position on the field ), its hard to tell what #1 is doing, so I think he stays short. PSU was playing their form of Tampa 2, Apke needed to stay on the hash, and not wonder so far from it (he is playing zone and he has 1/2 the field). One of the LBers was suppose to run with the guy going down the middle, but missed him, (same coverage, basically the same play, vs USC in the Rose Bowl goes for a TD), so Apke has to back that up. If they decide to go back to deep outside, he should have plenty of time to make the play back on #2, assuming JT can even get the ball that far. JT takes the short easy throw. PSU needs to either throw that coverage out, train the LBer better or best yet, play it with another DB controlling the middle.
SMH
Stick to the BOT, Barry.
Multiple posters.... There are a wide variety of knowledge bases here, trying to be polite.....
When you win 10 regular season, you likely could have won 8 or 9, or have won 11. I agree that 9+ regular season wins next year will be a successful season, but I also believe the possibility exists, talent and experience, to win 10.
We will have 2 5-star RB's competing to play (Sanders and Slade), plus a very experienced RB in Allen as a backup, and a RB that ran for 700+ yards and 11 TD's in 1 H.S. game (that we have yet to see in B/W) as well.... Are there more than 5 or 6 teams in college football with more RB talent? Oh-high-ya, UGA, Bamma, USC ???
Yes, I do believe improved OL play can make a big difference. Cutting the number of the many 2017 negative running plays in half would make a very big difference. And that is possible, especially since as good as Saquon was going forward he moved backwards far too often. Barkley moving backwards created more 2nd and 12+'s last year than we will see in 2018.
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Good for him, as others have said, he just made himself some money with that performance.
That being said, I think this is, at least to some degree, one of those "track speed doesn't necessarily translate to football speed" things. I'm pretty sure it was Apke that, despite having an angle, got torched by Wadley near the end of the Iowa game. Looked like he was wearing cement shoes. And I think Wadley ran his combine 40 in like 4.55.
That being said, I think this is, at least to some degree, one of those "track speed doesn't necessarily translate to football speed" things. I'm pretty sure it was Apke that, despite having an angle, got torched by Wadley near the end of the Iowa game. Looked like he was wearing cement shoes. And I think Wadley ran his combine 40 in like 4.55.
I have much higher hope for Slade than Sanders so I hope that's right. Neither will be in the same league as Barkley though. Especially in blitz pick up and in the receiving game. Those are huge losses. As is the complete unknown at the tight end position.
I agree a 10 wins season can easily be 9 or 11. It's minor. I'm just not going to set unfair expectations given the turnover. JMO.
I'm not sure we'll ever cut the negative plays in half with this scheme. Big plays is what it's designed around. Both positive and negative.
Thank God he did! Wadley doesn't score the TD there, they grind enough clock to kick the game winning FG as time expires and we lose that game.
Doofenschmidt look again. LOL you think they are playing 3 deep and Apke has the outside third!! SMH Look again Doofenschmidt, they are playing a 2 deep coverage (not 3) Apke should be on or near the harsh mark controlling his 1 half of the field (you are correct Haley does drop down and play the short guy). Look where the other half field guy goes, he drives to be near the hash mark. (watch the replay from the endzone doofenschmidt) The LBer is suppose to control the middle of the field (as mentioned PSU version of Tampa 2, I think I wrongly assumed you knew what that meant) . The LBer misses his guy, Apke has to back that up. OSU doesnt even have a play if PSU plays it correctly. SMH.Look where the left hand side (QB left) slot guy runs his route.....
And tell me who is within 20 yards of him - if Apke doesn't DO HIS F-N JOB and take him on the deep left third.
THAT IS HIS JOB in that scheme..... look at the co-ordination between he and Haley. He is literally (and correctly) SPRINTING to the spot off of the snap, while Haley slides down into the under coverage.
And you're telling me he should be in the deep middle?
Maybe it is his fault that he couldn't "split like a zygote" and play two positions at once
Good Grief.
The play is primarily caused by OSU have a good call against the PSU defense, and Barret making the proper execution (and a couple guys - NOT NAMED Apke - having less than perfect execution)
What a doofenschmidt.
Good Grief, do you even know what half field coverage is? What versions there are? SMH
Stick to BOT stuff doofenschmidt.
He was an amazing college Safety for sure, but do the NFL guys really place a lot of value a run-stopping SS? They don't from what I've seen. I wouldn't be shocked to see Apke taken in front of him after this combine performance. If Marcus Allen can run well at the pro day his stock will rise, but the fact that he chose not to run it here is a major red flag.
No one is. Not at any level of football, IMO. I would take Barkley over ANY running back in college or the NFL, Bell included.
It is gonna be a profound adjustment watching the Lions play without No. 26 next fall. I am gonna hold onto the hope (not an unreasonable hope, I believe) that the OL will improve enough to compensate to some extent for the decline in talent at running back. I think Sanders and Slade are both pretty damn good, but there is only one Saquon Barkley.
Incidentally, I am of the notion that the RPO plays which put the ball in the running back's hands while he is at a virtual dead stop only three yards behind the line of scrimmage could (will?) be an unmitigated disaster without No.. 26 in the backfield. His talent compensated for occasional deficiencies in both blocking and play calling.
That's a good question. If he had a forty time that was 4.55 or less, my guess is that he would have been out there running. What do you think?
Then when we go 10-2, he will be posting how it was a disappointing season because our schedule was so weak and we played so many of the better teams at home.
The team is talented enough to no longer need the boom/bust style RB. Saquon is a rare talent capable of single-handedly carrying a team to victory against vastly superior competition. And he did it a couple times in 2015-2016. That's not needed anymore at Penn State. An unspectacular guy who takes the 3-4 yards might actually be an improvement given the current state of the program. His negative running plays at Ohio State this year were completely destructive.
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