Boy, how do teams like Bama, OSU and Clemson keep winning every year even after they lose their best players...oh that’s right, they recruit well. Too bad we didn’t recruit well...oh wait, never mind.
Apke runs a 4.35 40....4.34 OFFICIAL TIME
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Frankly, I don't think @78SweetRevenge is even near correct, at least in his analysis. Yeah, can we drop a few? Sure. Who can't? But most of us that come here are recruiting junkies and if anyone was actually looking, we're now in reload mode baby. There are stars on this team we don't even know about yet. Who they will be, I couldn't tell you, but I will tell you that they are there. That plus an excellent senior QB should have expectations high. They are never low at Bama, Clemson, Oklahoma, or OSU no matter who graduates and from now on they shouldn't be at PSU either. If the guys work hard, we will win a lot of games come this Fall.
I do think that is a tough schedule. There is a chance that Ohio St, Mich St, Mich, and Wisconsin are all top 10 teams. Iowa and Northwestern could be top 20. Nebraska, Indiana, and Maryland all could be top 30. Pitt will suck but always gives us their best effort (well us and Clemson). That's a tough schedule.
And I will say another thing. I think our offense will be very explosive, STILL. We have speed, we have what should be a very good o-line, and Trace knows what the hell he's doing out there and can will a team onward. I say we still score in bunches. Mark my words.
Reminder: The Penn State Nittany Lions have not lost a home game since 2015. Just sayin'.
And another thing. We lose guys on defense, right? I predict the D will be pretty stout. Start thinking in terms of reloading guys.
Nope--I assure you I won't be even slightly upset at 10-2 next year. This year was a different story with Saquon. This was our best shot.
What? Best shot at what? This program is still progressing and we haven't even seen the best yet. Saquon, was a generational player and one of my all time favorites, but he's one player. There's a ton of talent on this squad. You clearly don't know what the hell you're talking about.
I think OSU is a toss up with a slight edge to PSU because it's a home game, excellent senior QB, and OSU has an inexperienced QB in a hostile environment. I think we whip, yes whip, Wisky and MSU at home. Only tough road game is Michigan, but the jury is very much still out on that team and PSU will have the better club, Patterson or no Patterson. I'll take Trace.
Best shot since probably 1994. Best shot until 2019 at the earliest. It wasn't just Barkley--it was the entire team with a player on offense that freed up everyone else. It isn't easy to win a title. We're recruiting very well but when you have guys like Barkley you have a window. The window isn't closed but it isn't opened nearly as much--especially in 2018. You can discount the importance of Barkley all you want but if he was returning we'd be a pre-season top 3 team with Bama & Georgia
We definitely have a huge home advantage but I don't see Bama playing that kind of schedule. They duck the SEC East's top 3 teams in their 2 crossover games with 7-6 Missouri and 4-8 Tenn. Then instead of a 3rd crossover, they get the Citadel as their pre-Auburn cupcake. They have an autobid to the final 4.
So it was ALL because of Saquon that the team was 22 - 5 the last 2 seasons. For sure, he's a great player, a generational player as I said and I'm not discounting his value at all, but you are discounting the rest of the team by A LOT!!!
And furthermore, let me also add that Penn State has a terrific coaching staff. Very, very good. Our guys will be ready to play. New team every year and Trace and company will take ownership of it fast, while wishing Saquon well. Guarantee it.
+1 that, Howie. I honestly do not get the pessimism. If anyone wants to try to change my mind on this, I say don't bother.
Who said all because of him? I sure didn't. Words--read them. And, yes, you are discounting his value while still praising him.
How did a thread about Apke digress into a discussion of our record next year? Oh, I know...78 is in the thread.
How is 8-9 wins a pessimistic view of the season? Do you have to predict 11 wins to be optimistic. Pessimistic would be saying 6-6 at best or something along those lines. No team, outside Bama, contends for a title years. Not even Clemson and OU
Agree 100%. The expectations should be very high. Does the team meet them? Maybe, maybe not, but zero reason not to have high expectations at this point in the program.
Honestly, it was thrown off before me and I didn't make it about that. Follow the thread--go back and attack the person that altered the topic
Simple, this is not expected to be an 8 or 9 win program. Franklin doesn't expect it and neither should our fans.
No, you don't know anything about how a team is built. Adjustments will be made. Thank God we have coaches who can do that and the talent to do it with. That's why you're probably an insurance salesman or something and not a football coach.
The pessimism is from a known troll. Has this 78 ever said anything positive about PSU? Ignore him.
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We’ll know more after they play ND, but I agree Michigan shoulf be tough next year. Patterson is their wild card. I expect our chances are good v all teams we’ll face through the regular season, but the obvious concerns are what all expect: tOSU, UM and Wisky (possibly MSU) in that order.
If our OL develops to the point where we COULD have punished teams last year for focusing on Barkley (huge what-if) then I suspect it’d be us or tOSU, and less likely UM or Wisky, even though I suspect all (plus MSU) may be statistically stronger on D.
But 9-3 or 8-4 would be disappointing. Not that either are bad seasons, but this is a young talented team with an experienced senior QB and what SHOULD be an elite OL. Teams will score points, but with a strong OL, I’m expecting Big12-like fireworks! Maybe 94 all over again if Sanders can show it when NOT getting clobbered by unblocked defenders.
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I didn’t think you were being all that negative, but I may have misread. I do, however expect we have a good chance of being better than 9-3 or 8-4 and I think Trace SHOULD be part of the Heisman discussion. All depends on our OL.
Nothing will make him happy. Nothing is ever good enough.
It's like he is the Board Mother In Law.
This sounds very familiar...oh yeah, it was what everyone was saying about Clemson this year when they lost Watson....too bad they weren’t in contention.
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A snarky response: when there was no more to write about. Good 40 time!
But kidding aside, I think a lot of us were responsible. Apke’s development and seeing what the staff has done with the talent they have, when coupled with the talent they’re bringing in now, has many excited about next season despite the losses.
I apologize for my part in the hijack. I think I was just responding without considering the thread. But, when we have such great development that we’re talking about Troy Apke standing out at the NFL combine, it’s easy to look to a bright future even with the current losses.
We did really take that one off the rails.
the better athletes than us was always bull. we had equal of better speed than everyone. Apke is real deal as a hitter and foot speed. i figured him at 4.45, but he was a track sprinter in HS and was a state level sprinter at that. Same for some of our other players. Apke may have had trouble in situations that were related to our scheme vs opponents - but he didnt get burned on a pure fly pattern by anyone. in fact he frequently caught people.
we lost two friggin games and flukes were key parts of both. we lost to tOSU with two very critical players going down. you may say next man up...but our next man at DE is not close to what we lost - so we lost the pass rush that we key to getting pressure. we lost our best OL at start of 2nd half and moved two guys around due to depth - and we were NOT the same team. the same fiasco continued to Sparty who then got the wierdorama weather to help them.
No way you can be sure that the best is yet to come. This team has had a lot of fortunate breaks the past two seasons and there is a ton of randomness in this sport. They probably make the playoffs if they win either of those two road games that they arguably should have won. A lot of things can go wrong in any given season. Look at that insanely talented 1999 PSU squad as an example. Or that insanely talented 1986 Miami squad.
I hope that the loss of Moorehead doesn't prove to be a bigger loss than Saquon. Rahne did a nice job in the Bowl game, but one game doesn't make a season. Oh, and a few less shovel passes wouldn't hurt either.
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Both you guys are right. But we ARE talking about huge gameday results and development of sanction-era recruits to where they’re combine standouts. Anything can happen and there’s good reason for optimism given the huge uptick in talent.
The way this works is that if you don't have the power, you can't be a racist. Clearly Troy Apke has more power than Deion Sanders
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