Article on projected 2021 depth chart on Offense...

[GregInPitt]

Maybe should have done a FC with an attempt at actual PSU football discussion, interrupting all the multiple threads on Covid hysteria, obituaries of anyone that anyone likes or liked, alcohol rehab, crash diets, medical research, washed up golfers, NFL retirements, wild women comparisons, Diane Lane threads, fixations on other coaches or sports programs, .....

Overall this is a more detailed analysis than what most of the sites that follow PSU football ever put together.

My comments:

At WR, it's easy to get caught up with the incoming talent of White and Clifford, but neither of them enrolled early and it is still a big jump from H.S. to a college offense. And there are WR's on the roster such as Norval Black, the JC player that was a given to redshirt in 2020 due to needing to fill out that are more mature and likely ready to make a move up the depth chart, plus the 2020 WR's that redshirted such as Dottin. CSB seems an enigma, but Franklin mentioned him by name in his PC this week. Just too many players competing to make a reasonably accurate 3 deep. I can see all the hype for Lambert Smith, but for all the playing time he got in 2020 his numbers are less than Stellar, so I would not be surprised to see another WR rise up and be a co-starter with him unless he takes a significant step forward in actually consistently making plays. Much more talent competing for playing time than in the recent past, which should lead to additional production from the position and build on what Stubblefield did with the group in 2020. Koerbler puts together a nice write-up on the WR's.

Isn't it great that PSU finally has enough olinemen to form a legit 2 deep, and just about a legit 3 deep given that Tengwall will likely be pushing for playing time as a true freshman. The starters are pretty much set, with what only seems like some competition for the Guard spot opposite Scruggs. I'm looking forward to hearing how the young OT's are progressing - Effner, Fashanu, Christ, and Traore.

Way-Too-Early 2021 Penn State Football Depth Chart: Offense

Projecting what Mike Yurcich’s offense will look like in 2021.

www.blackshoediaries.com

 

[Tom McAndrew]

Maybe should have done a FC with an attempt at actual PSU football discussion, interrupting all the Covid hysteria, obituaries, alcohol rehab,.....

Maybe you should put it in the thread whose Subject line is Jan. 2021 PSU Articles, Tweets, Etc. Thread. That's what that thread is for.

 

[GregInPitt]

Maybe you should put it in the thread whose Subject line is Jan. 2021 PSU Articles, Tweets, Etc. Thread. That's what that thread is for.

Yes, I see your point. But when there are so many Covid and other non PSU football multiple threads I thought it would be nice for the board members to see an actual PSU football topic thread separately that gets them thinking about a specific PSU football topic by just looking down the main page.

 

[83wuzme]

It is way too early.
You have to wonder if JF would have brought in Lovett if he wasn’t concerned about Cain being 100% by September. Ford also got banged up late in the season. Holmes looks like he has the highest ceiling of the bunch, but does he break out in 21 or 22 ?
WR is probably going to look a lot like last season, but better. Dotson and Washington really bloomed late. KLS really needed to RS to develop, but he should have a bigger presence next fall. Without personnel losses, George, Jones and CSB will likely struggle to see snaps. I would not make any predictions about other players currently on the roster unless there is a spring game chance to see them.

 

[PSUSignore]

FWIW, your posts are incredibly hard on the eyes due to the 100% bold text. I saw elsewhere you do this intentionally, but a wall of bold text is a mess to read.

 

[BBrown]

FWIW, your posts are incredibly hard on the eyes due to the 100% bold text. I saw elsewhere you do this intentionally, but a wall of bold text is a mess to read.

+1. Yea I know why @GregInPitt is doing it but it does make it hard to read.

 

[GregInPitt]

It is way too early.
You have to wonder if JF would have brought in Lovett if he wasn’t concerned about Cain being 100% by September. Ford also got banged up late in the season. Holmes looks like he has the highest ceiling of the bunch, but does he break out in 21 or 22 ?
WR is probably going to look a lot like last season, but better. Dotson and Washington really bloomed late. KLS really needed to RS to develop, but he should have a bigger presence next fall. Without personnel losses, George, Jones and CSB will likely struggle to see snaps. I would not make any predictions about other players currently on the roster unless there is a spring game chance to see them.

Yep, how Cain comes back is really a big question that we probably won't get much feedback on before next Fall. Even if Cain is ready for the Spring, and there is an actual Spring with a B/W game, I doubt that Franklin would play him in the B/W game anyway. Ford really needs to continue to develop, and he will have a hard time holding off Lee if Cain and Lovett are the top 2. I'm not as sold on Holmes as you are, as I was expecting him to show more speed and burst during the good many snaps he got in 2020.

It sure will be a dogfight to get on the field at WR behind Dotson and Washington. It would not be surprising to see 1 or 2 WR's leave after the Spring as the 3 deep gets kind of more sorted out behind the scenes.....

 

[PSUSignore]

+1. Yea I know why @GregInPitt is doing it but it does make it hard to read.

If he does it to be able to quickly find his own posts later on, there are other methods... CTRL + F to find his username, changing the font color instead, looking for a unique avatar, etc. Whatever, to each their own. I was interested in this post since it's actually about football instead of porn and covid but I gave up once I saw the bold text.

 

[WDLion]

If he does it to be able to quickly find his own posts later on, there are other methods... CTRL + F to find his username, changing the font color instead, looking for a unique avatar, etc. Whatever, to each their own. I was interested in this post since it's actually about football instead of porn and covid but I gave up once I saw the bold text.

Ditto. I ignore his posts.

 

[GregInPitt]

Ditto. I ignore his posts.

Obviously you don't. Or you wouldn't have even been aware of this thread.

But nice try!

Cheers.

 

[GregInPitt]

It is way too early.
You have to wonder if JF would have brought in Lovett if he wasn’t concerned about Cain being 100% by September. Ford also got banged up late in the season. Holmes looks like he has the highest ceiling of the bunch, but does he break out in 21 or 22 ?
WR is probably going to look a lot like last season, but better. Dotson and Washington really bloomed late. KLS really needed to RS to develop, but he should have a bigger presence next fall. Without personnel losses, George, Jones and CSB will likely struggle to see snaps. I would not make any predictions about other players currently on the roster unless there is a spring game chance to see them.

Also, wasn't it interesting that the article states that Lovett has better speed than Cain and some of the other PSU RB's? If that is the case and Lovett shows breakaway speed in practice and in games, he really could end up as the starting RB in 2021 if Cain has any lingering issues with his 2020 injury or gets banged up at all at the start of 2021,

 

[cjrugger]

Maybe you should put it in the thread whose Subject line is Jan. 2021 PSU Articles, Tweets, Etc. Thread. That's what that thread is for.

Yes, good thing we keep all the football discussion in one thread so it doesn’t clutter up the board

 

[GregInPitt]

Yes, good thing we keep all the football discussion in one thread so it doesn’t clutter up the board

Yep, I wasn't trying to piss off Tom, but the other way to do it would be to just have 1 other topics thread, "Post All Non PSU Football topics in this thread".... That would get cluttered as well and would push people that love to talk about who knows what from the board. But I'm sure no one wants to limit PSU football discussions here, right?

Actually, I believe that the "Jan PSU articles..." thread states that unless the article warrants significant discussion or something to that effect, so I thought that with all the player movement lately, and likely some more to come, a well written article on the depth chart would generate significant discussion.

 

[WDLion]

Obviously you don't. Or you wouldn't have even been aware of this thread.

But nice try!

Cheers.

I opened the post, ignored it. scrolled down, replied to another poster. I never read your message.

 

[83wuzme]

Also, wasn't it interesting that the article states that Lovett has better speed than Cain and some of the other PSU RB's? If that is the case and Lovett shows breakaway speed in practice and in games, he really could end up as the starting RB in 2021 if Cain has any lingering issues with his 2020 injury or gets banged up at all at the start of 2021,

Well, Cain and Lee are power backs. Even though Lee did manage some big gains, neither he nor Cain appear to be explosive playmakers like some other recent backs we have had. JF seems almost obsessed by this.
Lovett looks explosive, but more backs tend to look that way against Big 12 defenses.

 

[PSULionsDub]

Did you guys see the social media post from Will Levis yesterday on his passing drills? It was posted on sportscenter as well. Levis can truly throw the ball, much to the dismay of some staunch-Clifford supporters. If Yurcich can help Levis improve his passing game this spring/summer, I would not be surprised if Levis is the Starter this fall.

 

[Texas Lion]

Maybe should have done a FC with an attempt at actual PSU football discussion, interrupting all the Covid hysteria, obituaries, alcohol rehab,.....
Overall this is a more detailed analysis than what most of the sites that follow PSU football ever put together.

My comments:

At WR, it's easy to get caught up with the incoming talent of White and Clifford, but neither of them enrolled early and it is still a big jump from H.S. to a college offense. And there are WR's on the roster such as Norval Black, the JC player that was a given to redshirt in 2020 due to needing to fill out that are more mature and likely ready to make a move up the depth chart, plus the 2020 WR's that redshirted such as Dottin. CSB seems an enigma, but Franklin mentioned him by name in his PC this week. Just too many players competing to make a reasonably accurate 3 deep. I can see all the hype for Lambert Smith, but for all the playing time he got in 2020 his numbers are less than Stellar, so I would not be surprised to see another WR rise up and be a co-starter with him unless he takes a significant step forward in actually consistently making plays. Much more talent competing for playing time, which should lead to additional production from the position and build on what the Stubblefield did with the group in 2020. Koerbler puts together a nice write-up on the WR's.

Isn't it great that PSU finally has enough olinemen to form a legit 2 deep, and just about a legit 3 deep given that Tengwall will be pushing for playing time as a true freshman. The starters are pretty much set, with what only seems like some competition for the 1 Guard spot opposite Scruggs. I'm looking forward to hearing how the young OT's are progressing - Effner, Fashanu, Christ, and Traore.

Way-Too-Early 2021 Penn State Football Depth Chart: Offense

Projecting what Mike Yurcich’s offense will look like in 2021.

www.blackshoediaries.com

When did Effner become a Young OT? His time has been passed up, might as well portal.

 

[83wuzme]

Did you guys see the social media post from Will Levis yesterday on his passing drills? It was posted on sportscenter as well. Levis can truly throw the ball, much to the dismay of some staunch-Clifford supporters. If Yurcich can help Levis improve his passing game this spring/summer, I would not be surprised if Levis is the Starter this fall.

Yeah, it was pretty impressive. Will is a strong guy all around, but his arm is definitely in the elite category.
His footwork looked good there, as well. The other stuff, like seeing the field, making reads and timing is a little harder to judge outside of game situations for fans. I still think Clifford is significantly ahead of him in terms of being an effective passer.

 

[PSU Soupy]

Did you guys see the social media post from Will Levis yesterday on his passing drills? It was posted on sportscenter as well. Levis can truly throw the ball, much to the dismay of some staunch-Clifford supporters. If Yurcich can help Levis improve his passing game this spring/summer, I would not be surprised if Levis is the Starter this fall.

Was going to bring up this segment as well.

As they say Will can really spin the ball. Very quick release.

Not sure about his recognition of defenses, pocket awareness but the ability to throw a ball is impressive.

 

[ram2020]

Was going to bring up this segment as well.

As they say Will can really spin the ball. Very quick release.

Not sure about his recognition of defenses, pocket awareness but the ability to throw a ball is impressive.

Can anyone post a link or direct me to the video? Thanks.

 

[BBG65]

Did you guys see the social media post from Will Levis yesterday on his passing drills? It was posted on sportscenter as well. Levis can truly throw the ball, much to the dismay of some staunch-Clifford supporters. If Yurcich can help Levis improve his passing game this spring/summer, I would not be surprised if Levis is the Starter this fall.

I will be very surprised if Levis is the starter in the fall, but I am rooting for him. I just think Clifford's ceiling is average. At least, with Levis, I have hopes for more. We know he can run and it is reported he has an NFL arm. What we don't know about is his intangibles and won't unless he starts. It's a tough decision for a HC to sit down a 2 yr. starter who isn't bad, just average.

 

[Obliviax]

Did you guys see the social media post from Will Levis yesterday on his passing drills? It was posted on sportscenter as well. Levis can truly throw the ball, much to the dismay of some staunch-Clifford supporters. If Yurcich can help Levis improve his passing game this spring/summer, I would not be surprised if Levis is the Starter this fall.

yep...he's got a really strong arm. But so did a few other PSU QB's that didn't pan out. Sean looked lost last year. Lets hope it was something other than him.

 

[bison13]

yep...he's got a really strong arm. But so did a few other PSU QB's that didn't pan out. Sean looked lost last year. Lets hope it was something other than him.

Yes much like a couple previous Penn State quarterbacks who had cannons for arms I believe he lacks the touch necessary the play the position at this point. I would love to see him get more opportunities to throw the ball as defenses could just stack the box when he came into a game.

 

[81b&w]

It really sucked this year that we didn't have a b&w game and a couple blowouts to put in our backup qb's. Micah Bowens is gone without us ever seeing him at all and we got a tiny glimpse of Taquan . Levis was never in a position to relax and enjoy being the qb

 

[PSU Soupy]

Nothing would have made Levis relax more than going up against our first team defense last year in the BW Game.

 

[81b&w]

Nothing would have made Levis relax more than going up against our first team defense last year in the BW Game.

Good answer!

 

[HartfordLlion]

Levis is just a sledgehammer in short yards situations, nothing more, nothing less. He has had plenty of time to showcase his QB abilities the past 2 years when Clifford has struggled and we still just run him. IMO, that tells a lot of his upside, there is none.

 

[LemonEars]

Did you guys see the social media post from Will Levis yesterday on his passing drills? It was posted on sportscenter as well. Levis can truly throw the ball, much to the dismay of some staunch-Clifford supporters. If Yurcich can help Levis improve his passing game this spring/summer, I would not be surprised if Levis is the Starter this fall.

Don't discount Roberson. According to Jack Ham, Roberson was having a great fall practice and was pushing Clifford and Levis before he got banged up.

 

[Obliviax]

someone asked about the video showing Levis "spin it". @ram2020 ? Here it is

 

[83wuzme]

I wonder if Will ever pitched ?
It would not be a surprise if he threw in the high 90’s.

 

[lein]

Obviously you don't. Or you wouldn't have even been aware of this thread.

But nice try!

Cheers.

HEY BIG GUY LOOK AT ME. I CAN NOT ONLY USE BOLD, BUT ALL CAPS AND LARGER FONT SIZE TOO!

 

[marshall23]

There is little comparison to be made between throwing a football in a bubble and playing QB in a Big Ten football contest.

 

[blion72]

Levis is just a sledgehammer in short yards situations, nothing more, nothing less. He has had plenty of time to showcase his QB abilities the past 2 years when Clifford has struggled and we still just run him. IMO, that tells a lot of his upside, there is none.

the only question I would have is to what extent the staff dialed down the passing game for Levis due to fear of INT of new QB. some of his passes were pretty good in games. a few in OSU game last year were solid. in a couple games looked okay this year.

one clear weakness we have had in stretching the field is WR's beating DBs and then having to slow down. Hamler had to do this quite often. we need someone to hit them in full stride.