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Automatic qualifiers for Big 10

What's your take? You know Cael pretty well. Do you think he cares about seeds for someone like Aaron and Carter? I'm sure it's in the back of their minds for the others.
My opinion, with several data-points in mind, is that he wants the process to be fair. Speaking solely about Starocci and Brooks, I'm sure there's no lost sleep.
 
12 AQs?!?? At two weight classes?!?!

It’s not going to happen. 😃😃 More top guys will have 8 matches when the coaches rankings come out next week and push some of these others out of the rankings. 184 is a very weak weight for the Big 10.
Happened once since Rutgers and Maryland joined the Big Ten. In 2015, 133 had 12 auto-qualifiers from the conference. As you said, not happening in 2024. Btw, thanks for the effort, nicely done.
 
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Happened once since Rutgers and Maryland joined the Big Ten. In 2015, 133 had 12 auto-qualifiers from the conference. As you said, not happening in 2024. Btw, thanks for the effort, nicely done.
Picture will become somewhat more clear on Thursday once the new rankings come out.
 
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He would’ve been the 1 but he had no RPI. All those guys took a loss
is that accurate or speculation?

Keckeisen and Hidlay split, with Keckeisen winning the last one.

all things considered, i'd image Brooks would have been the 3 even with RPI.
 
For last year, the matrix excluding winning percentage points and Quality Wins had Keckeisen 37.5 - Brooks 27.5 and Hidlay 32.5 Brooks 32.5 .

Winning % is 10 points. They all had one loss but Keckeisen had one more win that Hidlay and the both had 8 or 9 more than Brooks. So by straight percentages that went against Brooks.

While I have not rerun the numbers, I think Keckeisen won Quality Wins due to his victory over Hidlay and Coleman coupled with having a few more wins against low qualifiers.

Thus, RPI probably did not matter for the one seed. May have flipped 2-3 but who cares.
 
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Good info in this thread, great to see. I did find this sentence and giggled a little... "Every wrestler gets 5 pints if they beat one qualifier.". Doubt that's good for weight management :eek::)😂!!

Sorry Fink, though to be fair, your posts were fire. Love having you around, especially this time of year.
 
That is funny Roar. No offense taken. Thanks for the nice comment. I first became addicted to this site by your posts, which remain the standard for thoroughness and accuracy. I like to geek out on the matrix, ratings and seeds, so I try to contribute where I can.
 
Good info in this thread, great to see. I did find this sentence and giggled a little... "Every wrestler gets 5 pints if they beat one qualifier.". Doubt that's good for weight management :eek::)😂!!

Sorry Fink, though to be fair, your posts were fire. Love having you around, especially this time of year.
@Cowbell Man is applying to reinstate his eligibility as we speak.
 
Good info in this thread, great to see. I did find this sentence and giggled a little... "Every wrestler gets 5 pints if they beat one qualifier.". Doubt that's good for weight management :eek::)😂!!

Sorry Fink, though to be fair, your posts were fire. Love having you around, especially this time of year.
Could be a reward of Ducolax, Roar. That would make next weeks weigh in a lot easier. That’s serious business!!
 
New rankings and first RPI are out. Looks like matches against teammates don’t count towards RPI as Davis and Bartlett both have 15 matches exactly but neither are ranked because 1 match each was against an opponent. Will have updated AQ’s for Big 10 soon.

Edit: Davis actually has 16 matches. One was against Steen so he still has 15. Not sure why he isn’t ranked in RPI.
 
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New rankings and first RPI are out. Looks like matches against teammates don’t count towards RPI as Davis and Bartlett both have 15 matches exactly but neither are ranked because 1 match each was against an opponent. Will have updated AQ’s for Big 10 soon.

Edit: Davis actually has 16 matches. One was against Steen so he still has 15. Not sure why he isn’t ranked in RPI.
Anyone have a link to the poll and RPI? I can't seem to find it.
 
I suspect Davis was not in the RPI because the Rutgers match was Monday. The portal opened Monday before the match. Thus, when it opened Davis and Bartlett only had 14 matches making them ineligible for RPI.

I've only found it on flo.

 
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The order this time is win%, RPI, and coaches ranking. Was almost done when I realized the rankings were opposite than before so didn’t want to go back and change.

Notable: Nagao doesn’t currently qualify an AQ because he is not eligible for RPI and his win% is 69.23%. He will qualify for RPI next time assuming he wrestles 2 more matches so that will add a spot to 133.



125 (8 qualifiers)

Davis, Penn St, 93.75%, NR, 6
Barnett, Wisconsin, 86.96%, 5, 3
Ayala, Iowa, Iowa, 82.35%, 1, 4
Ramos, Purdue, 87.50%, 2, 1
DeAugustino, Michigan, 75%, NR, 13
Smith, Nebraska, 77.27%, 8, 10
McKee, Minnesota, 68.75%, 13, 12
McCrone, Ohio St, 65.22%, 18, 19

133 (7 qualifiers)

Ragusin, Michigan, 94.44%, 1, 4
Schriever, Iowa, 72.73%, NR, 26
Wells, Minnesota, 73.33%, NR, 21
Shawver, Rutgers, 78.26%, 5, 8
Van Dee, Nebraska, 72.73%, 12, 15
Bouzakis, Ohio St, 73.08%, 6, 9
Brown, Maryland, 71.43%, 19, 19

141 (12 qualifiers)

Woods, Iowa, 85.71%, NR, 3
Bartlett, Penn St, 100%, NR, 1
Mendez, Ohio St, 90.91%, 1, 2
Fongaro, Indiana, 81.82%, 10, 23
Moore Rutgers, 78.57%, NR, 19
Miller, Maryland, 68.75%, 16, 21
Hamdan, Michigan St, 70.83%, 18, 27
Lemley, Michigan, 70.59%, 5, 10
Clark Purdue, 72.22%, 17, 32
Hardy, Nebraska, 73.68%, 12, 6
Vombaur, Minnesota, 68.42%, 27, 25
Pucino, Illinois, 58.82%, 14, 26

149 (9 qualifiers)

Lovett, Nebraska, 100%, 3, 1
Kasak, Penn St, 85.71%, NR, 7
Roberts, Minnesota, 77.27%, 24, 18
D’Emilio, Ohio St, 70.37%, 4, 10
Zargo, Wisconsin, 78.95%, 15, 14
Rathjen, Iowa, 76.92%, NR, 8
Rooks, Indiana, 66.67%, 8, 15
Miller, Maryland, 72.22%, 17, 13
Cetta, Rutgers, 63.16%, 25, 28

157 (7 qualifiers)

Haines, Penn St, 100%, NR, 1
Franek, Iowa, 81.25%, 1, 5
Blockhus, Minnesota, 93.33%, 8, 3
Saldate, Michigan St, 83.33%, 15, 18
Robb, Nebraska, 80%, 7, 8
Blaze, Purdue, 68.18%, 24, 17
Chumbley, Northwestern, 60%, 14, 20

165 (10 qualifiers)

Mesenbrink, Penn St, 100%, 2, 6
Hamiti, Wisconsin, 95.45%, 1, 4
Caliendo, Iowa, 88.24%, 5, 7
Hepner, Ohio St, 78.57%, NR, 15
Taylor, Nebraska, 80%, 9, 11
Fish, Michigan St, 77.78%, 15, 9
Lillard, Indiana, 71.43%, 7, 23
Brenner, Minnesota, 68%, 24, 30
Mayfield, Northwestern, 55%, 18, 19
Buell, Purdue, 59.09%, 20, 27


174 (8 qualifiers)

Starocci, Penn St, 100%, NR, 1
Washington, Indiana, 81.25%, 6, 15
Ruth, Illinois, 88.89%, 3, 7
Welsh, Ohio St, 82.35%, 8, 11
Griffith, Michigan, 85.71%, NR, 3
Kennedy, Iowa, 71.43%, NR, 8
Maylor, Wisconsin, 75%, NR, 12
Wilson, Nebraska, 57.14%, 14, 30

184 (8 qualifiers)

Salazar, Minnesota, 94.44%, 7, 5
Truax, Penn St, 83.33%, NR, 10
Pinto, Nebraska, 85%, 2, 3
Liegel, Wisconsin, 75%, 16, 16
Bullock, Michigan, 63.16%, 12, 15
Malczewski, Michigan St, 66.67%, 20, 18
Ry. Rogotzke, Ohio St, 66.67%, 13, 28
Soldano, Rutgers, 61.11%, 25, 20

197 (7 qualifiers)

Brooks, Penn St, 100%, NR, 1
Glazier, Iowa, 93.33%, 5, 11
Poznanski, Rutgers, 85.71%, NR, 18
Allred, Nebraska, 82.61%, 8, 13
Smith, Maryland, 81.25%, 10, 5
Joles, Minnesota, 73.91%, 19, 20
Geog, Ohio St, 66.67%, 15, 23


285 (7 qualifiers)

Kerkvliet Penn St, 100%, NR, 1
Slavikouski, Rutgers, 82.35%, 8, 10
Feldman, Ohio St, 83.33%, 6, 7
Hill, Iowa, 73.33%, 23, NR
Davison, Michigan, 80%, 4, 5
Tabor, Minnesota, 78.26%, 25, 29
Nevills, Maryland, 62.5%, 21, 27
 
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does anybody know the mechanics of the coaches poll? they say it's 14 coaches voting, but based on the 'points' column, it looks like they're only counting 12.

i'm assuming points are dispensed as (34 - ranking) for each voter, so a rank of 1 gives 33 points and a rank of 33 gives 1 point. most weights have 1st place with 396 points, which is 33*12.

interestingly, the only weight without 396 points in 1st place is 133, not 125. the highest 2nd place points is 384 (32*12), which supports my assumption. 174 has points of 396, 384, 372, and 360 for places 1-4.

can someone confirm that some votes are removed or provide any insight as to how that's decided? i would assume they just take out highest and lowest, but that's 100% speculation.
 
I suspect Davis was not in the RPI because the Rutgers match was Monday. The portal opened Monday before the match. Thus, when it opened Davis and Bartlett only had 14 matches making them ineligible for RPI.

I've only found it on flo.

Good catch on the Monday match. Also, how did Flo get this ahead of everyone? Usually it’s tweeted out by NCAA wrestling first.
 
That's a good question about Flo. Usually media receives things early but conditioned on not pre-releasing them.
 
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does anybody know the mechanics of the coaches poll? they say it's 14 coaches voting, but based on the 'points' column, it looks like they're only counting 12.

i'm assuming points are dispensed as (34 - ranking) for each voter, so a rank of 1 gives 33 points and a rank of 33 gives 1 point. most weights have 1st place with 396 points, which is 33*12.

interestingly, the only weight without 396 points in 1st place is 133, not 125. the highest 2nd place points is 384 (32*12), which supports my assumption. 174 has points of 396, 384, 372, and 360 for places 1-4.

can someone confirm that some votes are removed or provide any insight as to how that's decided? i would assume they just take out highest and lowest, but that's 100% speculation.
Your assumptions are correct. Highest and lowest are thrown out.
 
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Noticed an error in my allocations. I was using top 33 coaches and RPI but it’s actually top 30. That reduces AQ for 157 to 7. Removed Michael North because coaches rank is 31. Reduces 197 to 7 as well. Removed Wisler, both rankings below 30 and Bates, coaches ranking below 30.
 
Noticed an error in my allocations. I was using top 33 coaches and RPI but it’s actually top 30. That reduces AQ for 157 to 7. Removed Michael North because coaches rank is 31. Reduces 197 to 7 as well. Removed Wisler, both rankings below 30 and Bates, coaches ranking below 30.
Embarrassed Shame GIF


J/K. Keep up the great work on this.
 
Ran all 7 conferences and had to use the sliding scale for multiple weights since more than 29 qualified. Big 10 lost one allocation at 174, Bubba Wilson was 30 in coaches but had to slide to 29 and he was eliminated. Estimated allocations per conference.

125 total: 29
ACC: 3
Big 12: 9
Big 10: 8
EIWA: 4
MAC: 2
Pac 12: 2
SoCon: 1

133 total: 29
ACC: 3
Big 12: 6
Big 10: 7
EIWA: 6
MAC: 1
Pac 12: 3
SoCon: 3

141 total: 29
ACC: 5
Big 12: 4
Big 10: 12
EIWA: 4
MAC: 1
Pac 12: 2
SoCon: 1

149 total: 29
ACC: 2
Big 12: 5
Big 10: 9
EIWA: 5
MAC: 3
Pac 12: 3
SoCon: 2

157 total: 29
ACC: 3
Big 12: 7
Big 10: 7
EIWA: 3
MAC: 5
Pac 12: 3
SoCon: 1

165 total: 28
ACC: 2
Big 12: 6
Big 10: 10
EIWA: 6
MAC: 1
Pac 12: 2
SoCon: 1

174 total: 29
ACC: 3
Big 12: 8
Big 10: 7
EIWA: 6
MAC: 2
Pac 12: 2
SoCon: 1

184 total: 29
ACC: 2
Big 12: 7
Big 10: 8
EIWA: 7
MAC: 3
Pac 12: 1
SoCon: 1

197 total: 28
ACC: 4
Big 12: 6
Big 10: 7
EIWA: 5
MAC: 2
Pac 12: 3
SoCon: 1

285 total: 28
ACC: 2
Big 12: 7
Big 10: 7
EIWA: 8
MAC: 2
Pac 12: 1
SoCon: 1

Totals
Big 10: 82
Big 12: 65
EIWA: 54
ACC: 29
MAC: 22
Pac 12: 22
SoCon: 13
 
Updated after last weekend’s matches.

125 total: 29 (No change)
ACC: 3
Big 12: 9
Big 10: 8
EIWA: 4
MAC: 2
Pac 12: 2
SoCon: 1

133 total: 29 (No changes)
ACC: 3
Big 12: 6
Big 10: 7
EIWA: 6
MAC: 1
Pac 12: 3
SoCon: 3

141 total: 29 (No changes)
ACC: 5
Big 12: 4
Big 10: 12
EIWA: 4
MAC: 1
Pac 12: 2
SoCon: 1

149 total: 29 (No changes)
ACC: 2
Big 12: 5
Big 10: 9
EIWA: 5
MAC: 3
Pac 12: 3
SoCon: 2

157 total: 29 (No changes)
ACC: 3
Big 12: 7
Big 10: 7
EIWA: 3
MAC: 5
Pac 12: 3
SoCon: 1

165 total: 28 (EIWA loses 1, SoCon adds 1)
ACC: 2
Big 12: 6
Big 10: 10
EIWA: 5
MAC: 1
Pac 12: 2
SoCon: 2

174 total: 27 (Big 12 and EIWA lose 1 each)
ACC: 3
Big 12: 7
Big 10: 7
EIWA: 5
MAC: 2
Pac 12: 2
SoCon: 1

184 total: 29 (No changes)
ACC: 2
Big 12: 7
Big 10: 8
EIWA: 7
MAC: 3
Pac 12: 1
SoCon: 1

197 total: 29 (Big 12 adds one)
ACC: 4
Big 12: 7
Big 10: 7
EIWA: 5
MAC: 2
Pac 12: 3
SoCon: 1

285 total: 25 (Big 12 loses 2, EIWA 1)
ACC: 2
Big 12: 5
Big 10: 7
EIWA: 7
MAC: 2
Pac 12: 1
SoCon: 1

Totals
Big 10: 82
Big 12: 63
EIWA: 51
ACC: 29
MAC: 22
Pac 12: 22
SoCon: 14
 
Updated after last weekend’s matches.

125 total: 29 (No change)
ACC: 3
Big 12: 9
Big 10: 8
EIWA: 4
MAC: 2
Pac 12: 2
SoCon: 1

133 total: 29 (No changes)
ACC: 3
Big 12: 6
Big 10: 7
EIWA: 6
MAC: 1
Pac 12: 3
SoCon: 3

141 total: 29 (No changes)
ACC: 5
Big 12: 4
Big 10: 12
EIWA: 4
MAC: 1
Pac 12: 2
SoCon: 1

149 total: 29 (No changes)
ACC: 2
Big 12: 5
Big 10: 9
EIWA: 5
MAC: 3
Pac 12: 3
SoCon: 2

157 total: 29 (No changes)
ACC: 3
Big 12: 7
Big 10: 7
EIWA: 3
MAC: 5
Pac 12: 3
SoCon: 1

165 total: 28 (EIWA loses 1, SoCon adds 1)
ACC: 2
Big 12: 6
Big 10: 10
EIWA: 5
MAC: 1
Pac 12: 2
SoCon: 2

174 total: 27 (Big 12 and EIWA lose 1 each)
ACC: 3
Big 12: 7
Big 10: 7
EIWA: 5
MAC: 2
Pac 12: 2
SoCon: 1

184 total: 29 (No changes)
ACC: 2
Big 12: 7
Big 10: 8
EIWA: 7
MAC: 3
Pac 12: 1
SoCon: 1

197 total: 29 (Big 12 adds one)
ACC: 4
Big 12: 7
Big 10: 7
EIWA: 5
MAC: 2
Pac 12: 3
SoCon: 1

285 total: 25 (Big 12 loses 2, EIWA 1)
ACC: 2
Big 12: 5
Big 10: 7
EIWA: 7
MAC: 2
Pac 12: 1
SoCon: 1

Totals
Big 10: 82
Big 12: 63
EIWA: 51
ACC: 29
MAC: 22
Pac 12: 22
SoCon: 14
It feels like the other conferences are usually further back in AQs. Am I wrong?
 
It feels like the other conferences are usually further back in AQs. Am I wrong?

2023

Atlantic Coast Conference 33
Big 12 Conference 65
Big Ten Conference 88
Eastern Intercollegiate Wrestling Association 45
Mid-American Conference 23
Pacific-12 Conference 19
Southern Conference 12

2022

Atlantic Coast Conference 39
Big 12 Conference 58
Big Ten Conference 88
Eastern Intercollegiate Wrestling Association 42
Mid-American Conference 22
Pacific-12 Conference 23
Southern Conference 15

2021

They used a 5 year historical average because of the limited schedule due to COVID

2020

ACC: 35
Big 12: 54
Big 10: 79
EIWA: 44
MAC: 41
Pac 12: 16
Socon: 14

2019

Atlantic Coast Conference 37
Big 12 Conference 53
Big Ten Conference 78
Eastern Intercollegiate Wrestling Association 47
Eastern Wrestling League 14
Mid-American Conference 27
Pacific-12 Conference 17
Southern Conference 13
 
My opinion, with several data-points in mind, is that he wants the process to be fair. Speaking solely about Starocci and Brooks, I'm sure there's no lost sleep.
yea you gotta wrestle everyone so no big deal even when PSU gets screwed!
 
yea you gotta wrestle everyone so no big deal even when PSU gets screwed!
Tbh, my experience is that every team feels they've been "screwed" as you say. Less so at the conference tourney's, but every year after the seeds are announced for NCAA's.
 
Updated after last weekend’s matches.

125 total: 26 (Big 12 lost 2, Big 10 lost 1)
ACC: 3
Big 12: 7
Big 10: 7
EIWA: 4
MAC: 2
Pac 12: 2
SoCon: 1

133 total: 29 (No changes)
ACC: 3
Big 12: 6
Big 10: 7
EIWA: 6
MAC: 1
Pac 12: 3
SoCon: 3

141 total: 29 (Big 12 gained 1, Big 10 lost 1)
ACC: 5
Big 12: 5
Big 10: 11
EIWA: 4
MAC: 1
Pac 12: 2
SoCon: 1

149 total: 29 (Big 12 gained 2, Big 10 and EIWA lost 1 each)
ACC: 2
Big 12: 7
Big 10: 8
EIWA: 4
MAC: 3
Pac 12: 3
SoCon: 2

157 total: 29 (ACC and Big 12 lost 1 each, Big 10 gained 2)
ACC: 3
Big 12: 7
Big 10: 9
EIWA: 3
MAC: 5
Pac 12: 3
SoCon: 1

165 total: 28 (No changes)
ACC: 2
Big 12: 6
Big 10: 10
EIWA: 5
MAC: 1
Pac 12: 2
SoCon: 2

174 total: 29 (ACC, Big 10 and EIWA gain 1, Big 12 loses 1)
ACC: 4
Big 12: 6
Big 10: 8
EIWA: 6
MAC: 2
Pac 12: 2
SoCon: 1

184 total: 28 (ACC, EIWA and PAC 12 gain 1 each, Big 12 and MAC lose 1 each)
ACC: 3
Big 12: 6
Big 10: 8
EIWA: 6
MAC: 2
Pac 12: 2
SoCon: 1

197 total: 28 (Big 12 loses 1)
ACC: 4
Big 12: 6
Big 10: 7
EIWA: 5
MAC: 2
Pac 12: 3
SoCon: 1

285 total: 29 (Pac 12 gains 2, ACC and EIWA gain 1 each)
ACC: 3
Big 12: 5
Big 10: 7
EIWA: 8
MAC: 2
Pac 12: 3
SoCon: 1

Totals
Big 10: 82
Big 12: 60
EIWA: 51
ACC: 31
Pac 12: 25
MAC: 21
SoCon: 14
 
This is my best educated guess without knowing who will be the postseason starters for everyone and not knowing the last set of rankings. I did use wrestlestat for RPI as he calculates RPI using the NCAA formula after each day of matches. RPI should be fairly accurate. Guys at the bottom of the coaches rankings could drop out and lose an allocation and others could jump in so that would definitely change the mix. Official rankings and allocations are scheduled to be released on Thursday.
 
Updated after last weekend’s matches.

125 total: 26 (Big 12 lost 2, Big 10 lost 1)
ACC: 3
Big 12: 7
Big 10: 7
EIWA: 4
MAC: 2
Pac 12: 2
SoCon: 1

133 total: 29 (No changes)
ACC: 3
Big 12: 6
Big 10: 7
EIWA: 6
MAC: 1
Pac 12: 3
SoCon: 3

141 total: 29 (Big 12 gained 1, Big 10 lost 1)
ACC: 5
Big 12: 5
Big 10: 11
EIWA: 4
MAC: 1
Pac 12: 2
SoCon: 1

149 total: 29 (Big 12 gained 2, Big 10 and EIWA lost 1 each)
ACC: 2
Big 12: 7
Big 10: 8
EIWA: 4
MAC: 3
Pac 12: 3
SoCon: 2

157 total: 29 (ACC and Big 12 lost 1 each, Big 10 gained 2)
ACC: 3
Big 12: 7
Big 10: 9
EIWA: 3
MAC: 5
Pac 12: 3
SoCon: 1

165 total: 28 (No changes)
ACC: 2
Big 12: 6
Big 10: 10
EIWA: 5
MAC: 1
Pac 12: 2
SoCon: 2

174 total: 29 (ACC, Big 10 and EIWA gain 1, Big 12 loses 1)
ACC: 4
Big 12: 6
Big 10: 8
EIWA: 6
MAC: 2
Pac 12: 2
SoCon: 1

184 total: 28 (ACC, EIWA and PAC 12 gain 1 each, Big 12 and MAC lose 1 each)
ACC: 3
Big 12: 6
Big 10: 8
EIWA: 6
MAC: 2
Pac 12: 2
SoCon: 1

197 total: 28 (Big 12 loses 1)
ACC: 4
Big 12: 6
Big 10: 7
EIWA: 5
MAC: 2
Pac 12: 3
SoCon: 1

285 total: 29 (Pac 12 gains 2, ACC and EIWA gain 1 each)
ACC: 3
Big 12: 5
Big 10: 7
EIWA: 8
MAC: 2
Pac 12: 3
SoCon: 1

Totals
Big 10: 82
Big 12: 60
EIWA: 51
ACC: 31
Pac 12: 25
MAC: 21
SoCon: 14
Hey, did you ever get the Nittany Lion underwear you ordered? Just thought I'd ask...
 
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NCAA tweeted out the coaches rankings for each individual weight up to 197 and then stopped. Still waiting on 285 plus RPI and AQ’s.
 
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From my calculations, Big 10 added 2 at 125. Peterson and McCrone must have moved up in the rankings. 149 added 1 which is Austin Gomez who now has 8 matches to earn a coaches ranking. The other 8 weights were as I predicted.
The Big 10 also effectively added a 9th allocation if Starocci does injury default out of every match.
 
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