Beau to Mizzou

[CJFisJoePaII]

Well $1.5 per year is a pretty damn green grass. Hopefully some folks will finally understand. This for a kid who in a close game would get 5-10 snaps. Good for him. Let's what QB's who sign after mid January get.

The OP's post is beyond stupid and also utterly false. He did not "walk" - he graduated from PSU. His post-PSU-Graduation school is offering Beau a starting QB position AND $1.5 million NIL (more than 3x more than he made at PSU per year - which is to be expected as a starter vs a backup). Criticizing Beau for using his remaining eligibility at a new school after he has graduated from PSU, so he can be a Starter rather than a backup (and be paid handsomely as well) is just ridiculous and beyond moronic. What parent would tell their child not to pursue their lifelong dream of being a starting FBS QB to show what he can do as a Starter? (especially if he's going to be paid handsomely pursuing that goal). No parent would advise their child not to pursue their goals especially if they had already fulfilled their commitment to PSU and is a proud Graduate of PSU and the PSU Football Team.

To criticize Beau for taking the next step in his bright future (especially when he continues to state that he is a proud Graduate of his Alma Mater, PSU) is just ridiculous.

This is further true when you consider that Beau wants to continue competing for PSU in the CFP Playoffs prior to enrolling in his new school (which he is permitted to do under NCAA Rules because his current participation is based on his Fall 2024 Enrollment, not Winter/Spring 2025 Enrollment. Only limitation would be participation after enrolling in new post-PSU-Graduation school - Missouri's new Semester starts Monday, 01/13/2025.). The reason Beau cannot participate in PSU's last, and upcoming, Playoff Game is NOT because Beau doesn't want to participate (he does); it's because PSU has a Standing Policy that any athlete entering the NCAA's "Transfer Portal" is immediately dismissed from the PSU Athletic Team they are participating on. It is the NCAA which required Beau to enter the Fall 2024 "Transfer Portal" if he wanted to enroll in a new post-PSU-Graduation school for the Winter/Spring 2025 Semester DESPITE THE FACT that Beau is not "transferring" schools in any way, shape or form. The bureaucracy that is preventing Beau from participating in the last, and upcoming, CFP Playoff Games is just beyond ridiculous and absurd - and most certainly is not Beau's fault in any way, so criticizing Beau - the victim here of absurd NCAA and PSU bureaucracy - is just beyond ridiculous and reprehensible.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

Well, Grunk didn't look so good last weekend! To be fair, he has not had PT!

Also to be fair.... it was low 20s with wind gusting as high as 35 mph creating a wind-chill temp of low teens... Hardly conditions conducive to throwing the ball (or evaluating QB play in mop-up duty). No QB @ Beaver Stadium looked very good this past Saturday - not a coincidence and likely attributable to the extreme weather conditions.

 

[knickslions]

Well, Grunk didn't look so good last weekend! To be fair, he has not had PT!

lol how can you judge anything on that

 

[rrdd2021]

This is why I chuckle every time I read about OSU's $20 million roster. They (OSU) just let this out. If the truth and real figures were known, many schools like Oregon (Phil Knight), Texas, TAMU and on and on, etc... probably dwarf that figure. I've read that the 2 Texas QBs - Ewers and Manning - are pulling in somewhere between $8 to 10 million together. That Texas oil money goes a long way

 

[LandoComando]

Lando, did you notice Stone never saw the field? Jennings was stinky up the joint and they put in a different backup. does that tell you anything about how prepared Stone might have been?

They would have never benched Jennings for Stone. Like we'd never bench Drew for Beau. I have to doubt Stone refused to go in at the end.

 

[Jerry]

The OP's post is beyond stupid and also utterly false. He did not "walk" - he graduated from PSU. His post-PSU-Graduation school is offering Beau a starting QB position AND $1.5 million NIL (more than 3x more than he made at PSU per year - which is to be expected as a starter vs a backup). Criticizing Beau for using his remaining eligibility at a new school after he has graduated from PSU, so he can be a Starter rather than a backup (and be paid handsomely as well) is just ridiculous and beyond moronic. What parent would tell their child not to pursue their lifelong dream of being a starting FBS QB to show what he can do as a Starter? (especially if he's going to be paid handsomely pursuing that goal). No parent would advise their child not to pursue their goals especially if they had already fulfilled their commitment to PSU and is a proud Graduate of PSU and the PSU Football Team.

To criticize Beau for taking the next step in his bright future (especially when he continues to state that he is a proud Graduate of his Alma Mater, PSU) is just ridiculous.

This is further true when you consider that Beau wants to continue competing for PSU in the CFP Playoffs prior to enrolling in his new school (which he is permitted to do under NCAA Rules because his current participation is based on his Fall 2024 Enrollment, not Winter/Spring 2025 Enrollment. Only limitation would be participation after enrolling in new post-PSU-Graduation school - Missouri's new Semester starts Monday, 01/13/2025.). The reason Beau cannot participate in PSU's last, and upcoming, Playoff Game is NOT because Beau doesn't want to participate (he does); it's because PSU has a Standing Policy that any athlete entering the NCAA's "Transfer Portal" is immediately dismissed from the PSU Athletic Team they are participating on. It is the NCAA which required Beau to enter the Fall 2024 "Transfer Portal" if he wanted to enroll in a new post-PSU-Graduation school for the Winter/Spring 2025 Semester DESPITE THE FACT that Beau is not "transferring" schools in any way, shape or form. The bureaucracy that is preventing Beau from participating in the last, and upcoming, CFP Playoff Games is just beyond ridiculous and absurd - and most certainly is not Beau's fault in any way, so criticizing Beau - the victim here of absurd NCAA and PSU bureaucracy - is just beyond ridiculous and reprehensible.

That's an effective way of framing it...by asking what your counsel would be if Beau were your son. Take the $1.5 million and the chance to start at a major SEC program...or stick around for the honor and glory of Dear Old State and risk losing the opportunity.

As the father of six, it would take me approximately two seconds to puzzle this one out.

 

[KnightWhoSaysNit]

I don’t believe you speak for your generation. And I think your view of the program is incorrect and unrealistic. The program was nearly given the death penalty and has recovered beautifully on the other side.

It "recovered" with a lower ceiling compared to the years when I was in school. As I have written, that was a time when -- every few years -- we fielded a team that we felt could play with anyone. Doesn't mean we always won. It simply means that for those years you did not buy a ticket expecting a loss.

I can't say that yet of Franklin teams -- for any year -- against certain opponents. Time will tell, but I'm not optimistic to win an NC when we start games unprepared, lack discipline, and don't make smart decisions. During an elimination tournament against the best teams those deficiencies statistically tend to catch up with you.

 

[Cowbell Man]

It isn't weird - you're full of it. The NCAA is the party that requires a player who has GRADUATED from their institution to register in the "Transfer Portal" if the student-athlete intends to apply to, and accept an offer, post-graduation from an institution other than the institution they just graduated from. This makes ZERO SENSE as a student-athlete that graduates from an Institution and is enrolling in a second institution post-graduation from the first institution IS NOT TRANSFERRING in any way, shape or form. The reason Beau cannot participate in PSU's Playoff games is because PSU has a standing POLICY that no student-athlete can continue to participate on a PSU Athletic Team once they have entered the "Transfer Portal" - that is SPECIFICALLY the reason Beau has been dismissed from the team and will not be permitted to participate in PSU's Playoff games. (Note, Beau's NCAA eligibility to participate prior to enrolling at his new institution is based upon his Fall Enrollment at PSU and he would not be the first PSU Athlete to participate after graduation which you are permitted to do by NCAA because eligibility is based on Fall Enrollment for Football.).

Beau was ELIGIBLE to participate in the PSU Playoff games by NCAA rule. The reason Beau was not permitted to participate in the PSU Playoff games was solely due to a PSU rule/policy that forbids an athlete from participating on an athletic team once they have formally registered in the NCAA's "Transfer Portal". Missouri's Winter Semester starts Monday, 01/13/2025; therefore, Beau could participate in all PSU Playoff Games except for the Finals (01/20/2025) if PSU were to win New Years Eve and played in Semifinals on 1/9/2025. Again, the reason he cannot participate has nothing to do with NCAA eligibility to participate - it has to do with the fact that he has been dismissed from the PSU Football Team by the University because he has entered the NCAA "Transfer Portal", which the NCAA is requiring him to do before he can entertain post-graduation offers from his new post-PSU-Graduation institution. This makes ZERO SENSE (i.e., requiring a student who is GRADUATING from an institution to enter a "Transfer Portal" before they can consider offers to a post-graduation institution is absurd as the student-athlete IS NOT "TRANSFERRING" in any way, shape or form.). And it absolutely WAS THE NCAA that was requiring Beau to register in their "Transfer Portal" by the Fall Semester Deadline if he wanted to attend a NEW institution in the Winter/Spring 2025 Semester after graduating from PSU in the Fall Semester 2024.

So you saying it isn't the NCAA's fault is inane as it absolutely IS THE NCAA's FAULT for requiring someone GRADUATING an institution to register in a "Transfer Portal" when they aren't transferring and shouldn't have to do Jack-squat with the NCAA to enroll in a Post-PSU-Graduation new institution. The only NCAA rule that would apply is that they can't participate with their prior institution once they have formally enrolled and begun classes at their new post-graduation institution.

Man….no need for a rehash of all of that. I agree with the rules need fixing. I also have never….literally since the beginning of the 80’s why a person graduating isn’t allowed to just go somewhere else. In 1994 Kijana was announced as leaving early when in fact he has graduated. He had a year of eligibility but he had fulfilled his part of the bargain.

My point is pretty simple. No one has to do anything. He wanted an opportunity that he felt he would miss if he didn’t take action now….. his choice. He has the option to not enter the portal now, but to get to the 1.5M he had to choose.

It’s called Life. You usually don’t get your cake and eat it too. He chose the cake. His decision. Placing blame is what he and Franklin both did. Instead, it was clearly agonizing but he chose what he wanted. That some don’t like it is their problem. His choice. He should have just said, “there is an opportunity to start and earn money that is life changing. I want that opportunity and not lose it.”

NFL players call it business.

 

[LMTLION]

It "recovered" with a lower ceiling compared to the years when I was in school. As I have written, that was a time when -- every few years -- we fielded a team that we felt could play with anyone. Doesn't mean we always won. It simply means that for those years you did not buy a ticket expecting a loss.

I can't say that yet of Franklin teams -- for any year -- against certain opponents. Time will tell, but I'm not optimistic to win an NC when we start games unprepared, lack discipline, and don't make smart decisions. During an elimination tournament against the best teams those deficiencies statistically tend to catch up with you.

Your generation fortunately did not deal with death penalty level sanctions, loss of reputation, a pandemic , NIL, or the portal.

 

[joeaubie21]

Simple, the kid is a competitor. He wants to start and play at the highest level. Will he ever have a better chance to win a Natty than now. NO Let's say we do win it all. He has been with these guys for 3 years, he is a Penn State graduate. he might miss 30 snaps in the last 4 games but he'll feel a part of anything.
He also stands a chance to earn some serious cash so why not. he'll likely not be a pro but graduating and starting the rest of your life with a half million in the bank is pretty nice and worth missing 30 snaps.

He failed and farted.

 

[KnightWhoSaysNit]

Your generation fortunately did not deal with death penalty level sanctions, loss of reputation, a pandemic , NIL, or the portal.

Except for "death penalty level sanctions and loss of reputation" all of the other factors are born by all other schools. Those things have nothing to do with the questionable things we see on the field.

Penn State has been free of sanctions for a decade, and our "reputation" to players is about NFL placement. That has not changed. I would bet that there isn't a player on the current team that truly understands the scandal -- why it happened, who was culpable, etc. If they did understand then they would realize that it had nothing to do with the football program despite what ESPN and perhaps some rival schools would have you believe.

Otherwise, the stadium, facilities, alumni, and location are still in place. Nothing east of Ohio and north of South Carolina has emerged to provide competition for Penn State. Other Football Factories have to import from our area to steal players and their families away from the convenience of Penn State. It's quite a population, a geographic advantage that has not changed. Other parts of the country might have grown in terms of talent per capita, but those supposed "hotbeds" for talent are also shared by more programs that have demonstrated success. Not true of the Northeast, which has only Penn State.

James Franklin did what PSU hired him to do, which was to recover from the sanctions. That is over. This should not yield a lifetime guarantee to a hundred million for producing teams capable of 2nd or 3rd place. For that money, with Penn State's advantages, we expect to see, every few years, a team "capable of playing with anybody."

 

[LMTLION]

Except for "death penalty level sanctions and loss of reputation" all of the other factors are born by all other schools. Those things have nothing to do with the questionable things we see on the field.

Penn State has been free of sanctions for a decade, and our "reputation" to players is about NFL placement. That has not changed. I would bet that there isn't a player on the current team that truly understands the scandal -- why it happened, who was culpable, etc. If they did understand then they would realize that it had nothing to do with the football program despite what ESPN and perhaps some rival schools would have you believe.

Otherwise, the stadium, facilities, alumni, and location are still in place. Nothing east of Ohio and north of South Carolina has emerged to provide competition for Penn State. Other Football Factories have to import from our area to steal players and their families away from the convenience of Penn State. It's quite a population, a geographic advantage that has not changed. Other parts of the country might have grown in terms of talent per capita, but those supposed "hotbeds" for talent are also shared by more programs that have demonstrated success. Not true of the Northeast, which has only Penn State.

James Franklin did what PSU hired him to do, which was to recover from the sanctions. That is over. This should not yield a lifetime guarantee to a hundred million for producing teams capable of 2nd or 3rd place. For that money, with Penn State's advantages, we expect to see, every few years, a team "capable of playing with anybody."

What Joe did for the program was amazing and we owe everything to him. What Franklin has done for the program is equally as amazing and we are indebted to him as well. There are just a few coaches out there that perhaps can do a better job than Franklin. There is absolutely no reason to think about ever replacing Franklin. The advantages that you speak of are not there. We are not in the top 10 for NIL. The high school football talent in PA is not what it was in the previous century largely because of the collapse of population in the western part of the state with less kids and far less talent out there vs the 70s and 80s. We have to recruit other areas of the country to be competitive. It took a long time for the lines to recover from the sanctions versus the skill positions and only now are we getting to respectability on both lines. Go around the country and ask anyone the first thing they think about when you mention Penn State and it still Sandusky.

 

[KnightWhoSaysNit]

What Joe did for the program was amazing and we owe everything to him. What Franklin has done for the program is equally as amazing and we are indebted to him as well. There are just a few coaches out there that perhaps can do a better job than Franklin. There is absolutely no reason to think about ever replacing Franklin. The advantages that you speak of are not there. We are not in the top 10 for NIL. The high school football talent in PA is not what it was in the previous century largely because of the collapse of population in the western part of the state with less kids and far less talent out there vs the 70s and 80s. We have to recruit other areas of the country to be competitive. It took a long time for the lines to recover from the sanctions versus the skill positions and only now are we getting to respectability on both lines. Go around the country and ask anyone the first thing they think about when you mention Penn State and it still Sandusky.

Our recruiting area advantage is not PA. It is everything north of South Carolina and east of Ohio. That is quite a few large metropolitan areas, most within a day trip of State College. It's a huge advantage that allows families and friends to regularly attend games.

Go around the country and ask high school kids about Penn State and it will not be Sandusky. They were too young for grade school at the time. They would think Penn State is the school that can produce the best running back in the NFL but that can't beat Ohio State.

 

[LandoComando]

What Joe did for the program was amazing and we owe everything to him. What Franklin has done for the program is equally as amazing and we are indebted to him as well. There are just a few coaches out there that perhaps can do a better job than Franklin. There is absolutely no reason to think about ever replacing Franklin. The advantages that you speak of are not there. We are not in the top 10 for NIL. The high school football talent in PA is not what it was in the previous century largely because of the collapse of population in the western part of the state with less kids and far less talent out there vs the 70s and 80s. We have to recruit other areas of the country to be competitive. It took a long time for the lines to recover from the sanctions versus the skill positions and only now are we getting to respectability on both lines. Go around the country and ask anyone the first thing they think about when you mention Penn State and it still Sandusky.

No its not...stop

 

[m.knox]

No its not...stop

LOL... when you deny reality, it's the funniest.

 

[Waltwam]

lol how can you judge anything on that

Did you read my whole post? I said to be fair , he hasn't had playing time!

 

[LandoComando]

LOL... when you deny reality, it's the funniest.

It's not reality. Sandusky lives on in the minds of our fan base far more than any other. Most of these kids playing now don't know or care about Sandusky.

 

[voltz99]

It "recovered" with a lower ceiling compared to the years when I was in school. As I have written, that was a time when -- every few years -- we fielded a team that we felt could play with anyone. Doesn't mean we always won. It simply means that for those years you did not buy a ticket expecting a loss.

I can't say that yet of Franklin teams -- for any year -- against certain opponents. Time will tell, but I'm not optimistic to win an NC when we start games unprepared, lack discipline, and don't make smart decisions. During an elimination tournament against the best teams those deficiencies statistically tend to catch up with you.

I guess you missed 1995-2011.

Ps. Franklin beats toledo and does not lose to iowa every year.

 

[m.knox]

It's not reality. Sandusky lives on in the minds of our fan base far more than any other. Most of these kids playing now don't know or care about Sandusky.

I was speaking of this.

"What Joe did for the program was amazing..."

Focus Loado. If you don't understand, seek clarity.

 

[LandoComando]

I was speaking of this.

"What Joe did for the program was amazing..."

Focus Loado. If you don't understand, seek clarity.

Which my response had nothing to do with
Where do you think I said Joe did anything short of amazing for the program?

 

[knickslions]

Our recruiting area advantage is not PA. It is everything north of South Carolina and east of Ohio. That is quite a few large metropolitan areas, most within a day trip of State College. It's a huge advantage that allows families and friends to regularly attend games.

Go around the country and ask high school kids about Penn State and it will not be Sandusky. They were too young for grade school at the time. They would think Penn State is the school that can produce the best running back in the NFL but that can't beat Ohio State.

Penn state beat Ohio state with the best rb in nfl

 

[bdroc]

On3 has grunk with higher nil value than pribula.

Higher than $1.5 million?

 

[LMTLION]

Our recruiting area advantage is not PA. It is everything north of South Carolina and east of Ohio. That is quite a few large metropolitan areas, most within a day trip of State College. It's a huge advantage that allows families and friends to regularly attend games.

Go around the country and ask high school kids about Penn State and it will not be Sandusky. They were too young for grade school at the time. They would think Penn State is the school that can produce the best running back in the NFL but that can't beat Ohio State.

You are living in the past and out of touch. The advantage you cite means very little. You do not account for Phil Knight, Larry Ellison, etc. Geography means little and NIL dollars mean everything. Phil Knight will double our nil dollar and fly the families and friends across the county and give them box seats.

 

[KnightWhoSaysNit]

I guess you missed 1995-2011.

Ps. Franklin beats toledo and does not lose to iowa every year.

No I did not. I addressed those years and issues in different posts. You guys are trying to make a Straw Man out of what I actually posted.

 

[m.knox]

Which my response had nothing to do with
Where do you think I said Joe did anything short of amazing for the program?

You were wrong. As usual.

There was a long paragraph, and your reply was, "No its not...stop" when the very first sentence was about Paterno's contribution to PSU.

 

[voltz99]

Higher than $1.5 million?

Yes. Grunk was listed at $1.6m nil value.

They had pribula at $1.5 before he went to Missouri.

 

[LandoComando]

You were wrong. As usual.

There was a long paragraph, and your reply was, "No its not...stop" when the very first sentence was about Paterno's contribution to PSU.

What's the last sentence? Why would I respond to the beginning of it?
If you're unsure ask.

 

[roswelllion]

Except for "death penalty level sanctions and loss of reputation" all of the other factors are born by all other schools. Those things have nothing to do with the questionable things we see on the field.

Penn State has been free of sanctions for a decade, and our "reputation" to players is about NFL placement. That has not changed. I would bet that there isn't a player on the current team that truly understands the scandal -- why it happened, who was culpable, etc. If they did understand then they would realize that it had nothing to do with the football program despite what ESPN and perhaps some rival schools would have you believe.

Otherwise, the stadium, facilities, alumni, and location are still in place. Nothing east of Ohio and north of South Carolina has emerged to provide competition for Penn State. Other Football Factories have to import from our area to steal players and their families away from the convenience of Penn State. It's quite a population, a geographic advantage that has not changed. Other parts of the country might have grown in terms of talent per capita, but those supposed "hotbeds" for talent are also shared by more programs that have demonstrated success. Not true of the Northeast, which has only Penn State.

James Franklin did what PSU hired him to do, which was to recover from the sanctions. That is over. This should not yield a lifetime guarantee to a hundred million for producing teams capable of 2nd or 3rd place. For that money, with Penn State's advantages, we expect to see, every few years, a team "capable of playing with anybody."

That is very 80's and 90's of you. Let's talk about PSU advantages with these 9 teams
Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan, Oregon, Texas, Notre Dame, USC, pick a Florida school

Recruiting footprint - No
Climate - No
Facilities - Draw
Academics - Draw
NIL - Nope

Let me know when you get one.