Big difference between Shrewsbury and Franklin

[PA college fan]

Shrews got lucky getting a few good players in portal and having some loyal players like Dread and Harrar— he was an Indiana guy and didn’t love Dear Old State! I hope he and ND bomb. He may be out on the street before the seven year contract.

Franklin inherited a mess and has deep PA roots and is building a juggernaut!! Let’s celebrate that and Joepa and the true Penn Staters.

 

[Erial_Lion]

Shrews got lucky getting a few good players in portal and having some loyal players like Dread and Harrar— he was an Indiana guy and didn’t love Dear Old State! I hope he and ND bomb. He may be out on the street before the seven year contract.

Franklin inherited a mess and has deep PA roots and is building a juggernaut!! Let’s celebrate that and Joepa and the true Penn Staters.

Shrewsberry is doing pretty much exactly what Franklin did.

 

[LandoComando]

Shrews got lucky getting a few good players in portal and having some loyal players like Dread and Harrar— he was an Indiana guy and didn’t love Dear Old State! I hope he and ND bomb. He may be out on the street before the seven year contract.

Franklin inherited a mess and has deep PA roots and is building a juggernaut!! Let’s celebrate that and Joepa and the true Penn Staters.

Franklin did this to Vanderbilt, right?
And I wish Franklin used the portal as well as Shrew
Penn State football isn't comparable to Penn State basketball. Basically this is like Franklin going from Vandy to Penn State for Shrew. Less drastic but not much.

 

[fairfaxlion2]

Penn State football isn't comparable to Penn State basketball.

I also don't think Notre Dame basketball is comparable to Penn State football.

When Franklin played chicken with the USC job a few years ago, I sincerely think he was always intending to stay at Penn State and just getting more resources for himself and the program.

 

[voltz99]

Shrewsberry is doing pretty much exactly what Franklin did.

Exact?. The coach with 0 top 10 wins is leaving and the one that actually won top 10 games stayed.

 

[Rip_E_2_Joe_PA]

Shrewsberry is doing pretty much exactly what Franklin did.

Do you mean Vanderbilt to PSU.. ?
or are you just being purely obtuse.

 

[Erial_Lion]

Do you mean Vanderbilt to PSU.. ?
or are you just being purely obtuse.

Vandy to PSU...leaving one of the lower profile jobs in a top conference (the job that gave you your first "break" as a head coach) to return to your home state and take over a higher profile program with more $, more fan support, more prestige. Could James have stayed at Vandy and really built something? Very possibly. But he did what most would do in his situation, even if it means leaving his "contract" or turning his back on that current team.

Oh, and for Voltz's sake, James never beat a top 10 team at Vandy. Crazy to think that PSU took him since that should be the #1 qualifier for success.

 

[fairfaxlion2]

Vandy to PSU...leaving one of the lower profile jobs in a top conference (the job that gave you your first "break" as a head coach) to return to your home state and take over a higher profile program with more $, more fan support, more prestige. Could James have stayed at Vandy and really built something? Very possibly. But he did what most would do in his situation, even if it means leaving his "contract" or turning his back on that current team.

Oh, and for Voltz's sake, James never beat a top 10 team at Vandy. Crazy to think that PSU took him since that should be the #1 qualifier for success.

But today's move is not like going from Vanderbilt to Penn State in football.

It is like going from Vanderbilt to Georgia Tech

 

[LandoComando]

But today's move is not like going from Vanderbilt to Penn State in football.

It is like going from Vanderbilt to Georgia Tech

No it's not. It's like going from Vanderbilt to Auburn. It's a upgrade. We aren't on par with Notre Dame basketball no matter how much you want to pretend otherwise.

 

[fairfaxlion2]

No it's not. It's like going from Vanderbilt to Auburn. It's a upgrade. We aren't on par with Notre Dame basketball no matter how much you want to pretend otherwise.

Notre Dame basketball is not on par with Auburn football, which is what you just said.

It went backwards after making the Elite 8 in 2015. They didn't build on it at all. It's currently a dumpster fire.

 

[Erial_Lion]

But today's move is not like going from Vanderbilt to Penn State in football.

It is like going from Vanderbilt to Georgia Tech

If Georgia Tech has made the equivalent of the Elite 8 twice in the last decade, or made the equivalent of the NCAA tourney in 13 of the 22 seasons of the previous coach's tenure, I might agree. Georgia Tech football hasn't had anywhere near that level of success.

James also wasn't walking into the 2023 version of Penn State...we were still under sanctions, everything with Joe hanging over our head, etc. ND hoops today doesn't have any of that...they are a good coach away from really competing again.

 

[LandoComando]

Notre Dame basketball is not on par with Auburn football, which is what you just said.

It went backwards after making the Elite 8 in 2015. They didn't build on it at all. It's currently a dumpster fire.

You realize Auburn football has had awful seasons too, right? 2012, 2015, 2020, 2021, 2022. And many of the other years since 2010 have been subpar as well. They occasionally have a great season. Brey made the Big Dance 4 out of 7 years (2020 didn't have one) and we've made it how many times since 2013-2014?

 

[fairfaxlion2]

If Georgia Tech has made the equivalent of the Elite 8 twice in the last decade, or made the equivalent of the NCAA tourney in 13 of the 22 seasons of the previous coach's tenure, I might agree. Georgia Tech football hasn't had anywhere near that level of success.

even ND fans think their basketball program is a dump right now.

 

[LandoComando]

even ND fans think their basketball program is a dump right now.

Because they're ND and they overreact just like our fan base and many others do
You're not making sense here at all

 

[fairfaxlion2]

You realize Auburn football has had awful seasons too, right? 2012, 2015, 2020, 2021, 2022. And many of the other years since 2010 have been subpar as well. They occasionally have a great season. Brey made the Big Dance 4 out of 7 years (2020 didn't have one) and we've made it how many times since 2013-2014?

You keep saying I am equating Penn State basketball and Notre Dame basketball, which I am not doing.

I am saying he left for a job that is not one of the top P5 jobs, or even close. And he may have been in line for one of the top jobs with one or two more good seasons here.

It's not a sideways move, but it's not a whole lot better than sideways.

 

[LandoComando]

You keep saying I am equating Penn State basketball and Notre Dame basketball, which I am not doing.

I am saying he left for a job that is not one of the top P5 jobs, or even close. And he may have been in line for one of the top jobs with one or two more good seasons here.

It's not a sideways move, but it's not a whole lot better than sideways.

You are if you're comparing us to Vanderbilt football and ND to Ga Tech football.

Notre Dame is a better job than you're acknowledging because you're putting too much weight on a couple years. It's like saying no coach should want to go to Texas or Florida (football).
This is a LOT better than a lateral move. And I hate ND more than any program in the country. I hope Shrew fails miserably not because I'm angry at him but because watching ND fail is great.

 

[fairfaxlion2]

Because they're ND and they overreact just like our fan base and many others do
You're not making sense here at all

There's not a whole lot to understand. I am saying that he left for a job that isn't much better than the one he already had.

 

[LandoComando]

There's not a whole lot to understand. I am saying that he left for a job that isn't much better than the one he already had.

Which is untrue--you're either overvaluing Penn State basketball, undervaluing ND basketball or both.

 

[fairfaxlion2]

You are if you're comparing us to Vanderbilt football and ND to Ga Tech football.

Notre Dame is a better job than you're acknowledging because you're putting too much weight on a couple years. It's like saying no coach should want to go to Texas or Florida (football).
This is a LOT better than a lateral move. And I hate ND more than any program in the country. I hope Shrew fails miserably not because I'm angry at him but because watching ND fail is great.

Yes, that's exactly what I am doing. Brey's run from 2014-16 was their peak. That was not the norm for that program and never has been. Just like Ga Tech won a national championship in football in the early 1990s. Nobody considers them one of the top 5 programs because of that.

 

[LandoComando]

Yes, that's exactly what I am doing. Brey's run from 2014-16 was their peak. That was not the norm for that program and never has been. Just like Ga Tech won a national championship in football in the early 1990s. Nobody considers them one of the top 5 programs because of that.

Since 2000 how many times has Georgia Tech been relevant
Notre Dame has made the dance probably a dozen times under Brey in 20 years. And while they sucked in the 90s largely under McLeod they had a ton of success before that under Phelps. Ga Tech/ND isn't comparable and you must realize that.
This is like people think we're on par with Ohio State in football.

 

[Erial_Lion]

even ND fans think their basketball program is a dump right now.

I’m sure every fanbase has a collection of 21Guns level posters that don’t have much of a grip on reality.

 

[fairfaxlion2]

Since 2000 how many times has Georgia Tech been relevant
Notre Dame has made the dance probably a dozen times under Brey in 20 years. And while they sucked in the 90s largely under McLeod they had a ton of success before that under Phelps. Ga Tech/ND isn't comparable and you must realize that.
This is like people think we're on par with Ohio State in football.

I don't know that I would say they had a 'ton' of success with Digger Phelps at any point after the 1970s.

 

[LandoComando]

I don't know that I would say they had a 'ton' of success with Digger Phelps at any point after the 1970s.

Consistent team that won about 20 games and typically went dancing or at least on the bubble until his last year or two. Way better than Ga Tech football

Not sure how you don't get the Auburn football comp. Second best school in their state...some mediocre seasons...low level meaningless bowls (dance is way more important) with the occasional great team once a decade.

 

[fairfaxlion2]

Consistent team that won about 20 games and typically went dancing or at least on the bubble until his last year or two. Way better than Ga Tech football

Not sure how you don't get the Auburn football comp. Second best school in their state...some mediocre seasons...low level meaningless bowls (dance is way more important) with the occasional great team once a decade.

That comparison is OK, but they aren't the second-best program in their state. Not even the third-best in some years.

 

[Rip_E_2_Joe_PA]

Vandy to PSU...leaving one of the lower profile jobs in a top conference (the job that gave you your first "break" as a head coach) to return to your home state and take over a higher profile program with more $, more fan support, more prestige. Could James have stayed at Vandy and really built something? Very possibly. But he did what most would do in his situation, even if it means leaving his "contract" or turning his back on that current team.

Oh, and for Voltz's sake, James never beat a top 10 team at Vandy. Crazy to think that PSU took him since that should be the #1 qualifier for success.

That is what I thought you meant. Glad you elaborated and I agree with your perspective on the similarities between the two coaches taking their dream jobs. I doubt though that any head coach at Vanderbilt has or will beat a genuine top 10 team in football. I sure could be wrong, fluke game outcomes occur in football from time to time. So, to me, what Franklin did at Vandy was certainly enough to hire him.

 

[Ian]

Shrews got lucky getting a few good players in portal and having some loyal players like Dread and Harrar— he was an Indiana guy and didn’t love Dear Old State! I hope he and ND bomb. He may be out on the street before the seven year contract.

Franklin inherited a mess and has deep PA roots and is building a juggernaut!! Let’s celebrate that and Joepa and the true Penn Staters.

Shrews developed those kids. You don’t get lucky over a 12 game stretch vs. NCAA tournament teams. What we witnessed over that period of time was a glimpse of what could be with proper commitment. Once again we fans are left at the alter of BB purgatory. The program is cursed.

Shrews is the real deal. He will excel at ND and would not have left if the powers that be would have showed the guy some respect. He is the best best bb coach the program has ever had. Not even comparable to Franklion who will bolt, too, given the opportunity. If you believe he is all in you are blind. There is no loyalty in College Sports. Why should there be?

 

[PSUWrestlingFanSince2011]

PSU really f-ed up. We needed to do whatever it took to keep Shrews, I don't care if you gave him the biggest contract in the Big Ten. BC now we are back to the bottom of the Big Ten basement for at least another decade.

 

[marshall23]

I enjoyed the ride at the end as much as anyone. But didn't PSU finish around #9 in the conference?
It seems possible that PSU can find a coach that can duplicate that in the near future.

 

[marshall23]

PSU really f-ed up. We needed to do whatever it took to keep Shrews, I don't care if you gave him the biggest contract in the Big Ten. BC now we are back to the bottom of the Big Ten basement for at least another decade.

Classic. One acorn doesn't make a fall.

 

[NC2017]

Will Shrews have any obstacles to recruiting portal players at ND? How many portal players are currently on their roster.

 

[scrivener]

Shrews developed those kids. You don’t get lucky over a 12 game stretch vs. NCAA tournament teams. What we witnessed over that period of time was a glimpse of what could be with proper commitment. Once again we fans are left at the alter of BB purgatory. The program is cursed.

Shrews is the real deal. He will excel at ND and would not have left if the powers that be would have showed the guy some respect. He is the best best bb coach the program has ever had. Not even comparable to Franklion who will bolt, too, given the opportunity. If you believe he is all in you are blind. There is no loyalty in College Sports. Why should there be?

Just to provide a little balance...did he really develop Pickett, Funk, Wynter, Lundy, etc to the degree you are referring? We were the oldest team in CBB by a mile, with like 8K PTS or something b/w our top 6 players....I do think he is a good coach (so far) and runs some good stuff, especially on the offensive side. But, this is a make or miss sport...Funk et al missed multiple GW opportunities throughout the regular season which left us teetering entering the B1G tournament. When we entered, we were not a tournament team. I think march madness is huge slippery slope in evaluating coaches...a hot week seemingly makes coaches appear like they are Wooden.

 

[Obliviax]

Business decision.

 

[marshall23]

Business decision.

That's what we're up against.

 

[Erial_Lion]

Just to provide a little balance...did he really develop Pickett, Funk, Wynter, Lundy, etc to the degree you are referring? We were the oldest team in CBB by a mile, with like 8K PTS or something b/w our top 6 players....I do think he is a good coach (so far) and runs some good stuff, especially on the offensive side. But, this is a make or miss sport...Funk et al missed multiple GW opportunities throughout the regular season which left us teetering entering the B1G tournament. When we entered, we were not a tournament team. I think march madness is huge slippery slope in evaluating coaches...a hot week seemingly makes coaches appear like they are Wooden.

We ended up being a little bit better than I expected us to be coming into the season, but not by a huge magnitude (Pomeroy had us as the 46th best team in the country coming in, and today we're 36th). We had some positive variance over the past few weeks with several close wins, but it mostly countered the negative variance through the first 2/3rds of the season as we were pretty unlucky. We were the most experienced team in the history of college basketball, but it took a while for the rotation to take shape and everything to gel. There were some guys that had individual growth, but I think Micah's biggest strength was putting them in a position to succeed offensively (the defense still left something to be desired, though some of that was certainly personnel driven).

I would have loved to see Micah stay, but also don't think we needed to break the bank to keep him, as there are plenty of other good options out there for us. Might be some short term pains (as there are with almost all coaching changes), but we'll be right back here if we get the right guy.

 

[Obliviax]

Shrews says goodbye.

Sorry, these things ring hollow to me. A couple of weeks ago, he implored fans to support the program then left for more money. OK, I get it. But don't piss on my back and tell me it's raining.

 

[voltz99]

Shrews developed those kids. You don’t get lucky over a 12 game stretch vs. NCAA tournament teams. What we witnessed over that period of time was a glimpse of what could be with proper commitment. Once again we fans are left at the alter of BB purgatory. The program is cursed.

Shrews is the real deal. He will excel at ND and would not have left if the powers that be would have showed the guy some respect. He is the best best bb coach the program has ever had. Not even comparable to Franklion who will bolt, too, given the opportunity. If you believe he is all in you are blind. There is no loyalty in College Sports. Why should there be?

Right. Ignore the other 20+ games. That was just bad luck.

 

[LandoComando]

Business decision.

It always is

 

[Psugo823]

Here is the difference: 1 is at Penn State and the other isn't.

 

[Lexipsu]

Franklin did this to Vanderbilt, right?
And I wish Franklin used the portal as well as Shrew
Penn State football isn't comparable to Penn State basketball. Basically this is like Franklin going from Vandy to Penn State for Shrew. Less drastic but not much.

Actually wrong Franklin met with his players when he left Vandy unlike Shrewsberry. Vanderbilt is not a big brand like PSU. Even though we have lagged behind in basketball The PSU brand is huge. Franklin is man of character in my opinion a modern day Joe. Shrewsberry lacks character and I'm glad he is gone.

 

[LandoComando]

Actually wrong Franklin met with his players when he left Vandy unlike Shrewsberry. Vanderbilt is not a big brand like PSU. Even though we have lagged behind in basketball The PSU brand is huge. Franklin is man of character in my opinion a modern day Joe. Shrewsberry lacks character and I'm glad he is gone.

So you're upset not that he left but he didn't meet with the players?

You're entitled to your opinion and I can respect that but I don't agree with it. I don't think Franklin is anything like Joe for the record. I think people just want to believe he is.