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Big difference between Shrewsbury and Franklin

Shrews says goodbye.

Sorry, these things ring hollow to me. A couple of weeks ago, he implored fans to support the program then left for more money. OK, I get it. But don't piss on my back and tell me it's raining.

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it's better than burning bridges or saying nothing

but leaving after 2 years isn't going to endear you to anyone
 
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Exact?. The coach with 0 top 10 wins is leaving and the one that actually won top 10 games stayed.
Just curious how many top 10 wins did Joe have in his last 10 years? Just asking I was a big Joe fan thought he should have never been 🔥.
 
Just curious how many top 10 wins did Joe have in his last 10 years? Just asking I was a big Joe fan thought he should have never been 🔥.
maybe a few

i never thought that was the best metric

how many of those games you even have is out of your control
 
Shrews says goodbye.

Sorry, these things ring hollow to me. A couple of weeks ago, he implored fans to support the program then left for more money. OK, I get it. But don't piss on my back and tell me it's raining.

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Dear Micah-

Thank you and F U.

Sincerely,
Everyone who believed in you

(It was a Business Decision. Can't blame the guy. But the more I think about it, the less I will root for him and ND).

I rooted for Justin Brown, Anthony Fera not for Silas Redd or Khari Fortt. Rooted for Myreon Jones, Brock and Trent Buttrick. Did not root for Jabari Wheeler.

I don't blame anyone who leaves PSU. How they do it matters. Micah likely wrestled a bit with bagging on the school that gave him the chance. In the end that and $2 will get you a ride on the subway.

Maybe we hire Mike Brey to work with Coach Fischer? PSU felt like "Home" until it didn't. $$$$$$$$$$$$$
 
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Shrews developed those kids. You don’t get lucky over a 12 game stretch vs. NCAA tournament teams. What we witnessed over that period of time was a glimpse of what could be with proper commitment. Once again we fans are left at the alter of BB purgatory. The program is cursed.

Shrews is the real deal. He will excel at ND and would not have left if the powers that be would have showed the guy some respect. He is the best best bb coach the program has ever had. Not even comparable to Franklion who will bolt, too, given the opportunity. If you believe he is all in you are blind. There is no loyalty in College Sports. Why should there be?
You must have forgotten about the four losses in a row, including losses to Wisconsin and Nebraska, in February.
 
I don't blame anyone who leaves PSU. How they do it matters. Micah likely wrestled a bit with bagging on the school that gave him the chance. In the end that and $2 will get you a ride on the subway.

Maybe we hire Mike Brey to work with Coach Fischer? PSU felt like "Home" until it didn't. $$$$$$$$$$$$$
apparently there was one lesson he didn't take from Stevens, who said no to basically everything until the Celtics came along. and he was being offered way better stuff than what Micah just took.

would like to know more about how it all went down before MS left
 
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Dear Micah-

Thank you and F U.

Sincerely,
Everyone who believed in you

(It was a Business Decision. Can't blame the guy. But the more I think about it, the less I will root for him and ND).

I rooted for Justin Brown, Anthony Fera not for Silas Redd or Khari Fortt. Rooted for Myreon Jones, Brock and Trent Buttrick. Did not root for Jabari Wheeler.

I don't blame anyone who leaves PSU. How they do it matters. Micah likely wrestled a bit with bagging on the school that gave him the chance. In the end that and $2 will get you a ride on the subway.

Maybe we hire Mike Brey to work with Coach Fischer? PSU felt like "Home" until it didn't. $$$$$$$$$$$$$
I’m not sure why so many on here feel it’s necessary to cheer for people who choose to leave Penn State. If they leave, I either hope they fail or don’t care one way or another. As you said, a lot depends on how they leave, but I won’t cheer for any of them to do well because I care about Penn State and only Penn State.
 
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I’m not sure why so many on here feel it’s necessary to cheer for people who choose to leave Penn State. If they leave, I either hope they fail or don’t care one way or another. As you said, a lot depends on how they leave, but I won’t cheer for any of them to do well because I care about Penn State and only Penn State.
I root for any players or coaches that leave much like I hope that most co-workers that leave for other opportunities do well there. Though I'm obviously in the minority with the "once a Penn Stater, always a Penn Stater" mindset.
 
I root for any players or coaches that leave much like I hope that most co-workers that leave for other opportunities do well there. Though I'm obviously in the minority with the "once a Penn Stater, always a Penn Stater" mindset.
You’re obviously welcome to do that, I just think differently. I can understand guys that leave to go to a lower level program because they realize they’re not good enough to play at the P5 level and they want playing time. Anyone else is welcome to leave, but I’m not going to root for them.
 
I root for any players or coaches that leave much like I hope that most co-workers that leave for other opportunities do well there. Though I'm obviously in the minority with the "once a Penn Stater, always a Penn Stater" mindset.
You are a complete and total fake. You act like Mother Theresa until someone calls you out then you do nothing but hurl ad hominem monkey $hit 😆..just saw you rag on Mark Brennan earlier...feel free to sling that $hit at him on here and see how that goes for you apologist. 😆 🤣 😂
 
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U can bet your a$$ I am rooting against him from now on and I sure as hell won't be the only one.

Go to hell Shrewsberry
 
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You are a complete and total fake. You act like Mother Theresa until someone calls you out then you do nothing but hurl ad hominem monkey $hit 😆..just saw you rag on Mark Brennan earlier...feel free to sling that $hit at him on here and see how that goes for you apologist. 😆 🤣 😂
I'd say the same thing to Mark next time I see him that I posted on here (though it likely won't be until September). That's the difference between you and I...things I post are things I'd say to someone's face and plenty here know who I am, rather than trying to troll and invent a new personality every time I've been proven wrong.

And care to quote what I said that was "ragging on Mark", because you've greatly mischaracterized it?
 
I’m not sure why so many on here feel it’s necessary to cheer for people who choose to leave Penn State. If they leave, I either hope they fail or don’t care one way or another. As you said, a lot depends on how they leave, but I won’t cheer for any of them to do well because I care about Penn State and only Penn State.
I agree to an extent...but both the Sandusky affair and Pat situation were FUBAR. Redd could've been there with Mauti and Zordich, instead he famously "Fledd" and set the tone for others.

Fera had a family thing that made leaving easier, and Brown is from our area, so I had a soft spot for him when he boogeyed to OU. Not ideal but understandable.

Buttrick got fuc_ed by us and was cut...one of Micah's poor decisions...dude from Canisius never worked out. Trent would've been better. I was actually alright with him having the game of his life and torching us. We deserved it.

Like Brown, you can't blame Jones, but I bet both wished they would've stayed at PSU. Their careers after leaving were not up to their potential as Lions.

I know that John Harrar and Seth didn't harbor ill will towards Wheeler, but to do what he did made me forget he ever played for us. Just another reason to hate Ohio State.....

Things are changing for the worse in college sports. How we approach sports as a University will be interesting. Micah was a needle in a haystack. He needed us and we were willing to grow with him. Maybe Rhodes or Wojo or May or ??? will keep the pace? But our history says likely not.

The next few weeks may make the downfall of the Chambers regime look tame.
 
I agree to an extent...but both the Sandusky affair and Pat situation were FUBAR. Redd could've been there with Mauti and Zordich, instead he famously "Fledd" and set the tone for others.

Fera had a family thing that made leaving easier, and Brown is from our area, so I had a soft spot for him when he boogeyed to OU. Not ideal but understandable.

Buttrick got fuc_ed by us and was cut...one of Micah's poor decisions...dude from Canisius never worked out. Trent would've been better. I was actually alright with him having the game of his life and torching us. We deserved it.

Like Brown, you can't blame Jones, but I bet both wished they would've stayed at PSU. Their careers after leaving were not up to their potential as Lions.

I know that John Harrar and Seth didn't harbor ill will towards Wheeler, but to do what he did made me forget he ever played for us. Just another reason to hate Ohio State.....

Things are changing for the worse in college sports. How we approach sports as a University will be interesting. Micah was a needle in a haystack. He needed us and we were willing to grow with him. Maybe Rhodes or Wojo or May or ??? will keep the pace? But our history says likely not.

The next few weeks may make the downfall of the Chambers regime look tame.
They’re all welcome to leave for whatever reason they feel is legit, but that isn’t going to make me cheer for them.
 
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They’re all welcome to leave for whatever reason they feel is legit, but that isn’t going to make me cheer for them.
Why does it matter what any of us think of their life decisions?
And why do you care what they do? It doesn't impact your life
I'm sure they care if a Penn State fan cheers for them after they leave.
 
Why does it matter what any of us think of their life decisions?
And why do you care what they do? It doesn't impact your life
I'm sure they care if a Penn State fan cheers for them after they leave.
It doesn’t impact any poster’s life which is why I don’t understand the need by some to get on here and post about how much they hope these players do well. Many posters are better fans to the guys that leave than the ones who are here.
 
It doesn’t impact any poster’s life which is why I don’t understand the need by some to get on here and post about how much they hope these players do well. Many posters are better fans to the guys that leave than the ones who are here.
Or they're just a fan of a players in general that ever played here and you only think that because you don't like when honest criticism is provided against our players but can't stop criticizing other teams...seem right?
 
Or they're just a fan of a players in general that ever played here and you only think that because you don't like when honest criticism is provided against our players but can't stop criticizing other teams...seem right?
Not even close.
 
Not even close.
How not? Let's use Silas Redd for example. He made the decision to leave because he thought it was best for his career. When he got to USC things didn't go has he planned but that had zero impact on Penn State so fans of Penn State aren't going to be frustrated by it but if he stayed and failed to meet expectations it would have been frustrating because we're watching those games with a rooting interest. It's a simple concept.

To me, this is more about people that can't accept someone that leaves might be better than who we have. See the constant attacks on Levis simply because he has a future in the NFL while Clifford likely doesn't.
 
How not? Let's use Silas Redd for example. He made the decision to leave because he thought it was best for his career. When he got to USC things didn't go has he planned but that had zero impact on Penn State so fans of Penn State aren't going to be frustrated by it but if he stayed and failed to meet expectations it would have been frustrating because we're watching those games with a rooting interest. It's a simple concept.

To me, this is more about people that can't accept someone that leaves might be better than who we have. See the constant attacks on Levis simply because he has a future in the NFL while Clifford likely doesn't.
I don’t care what Redd did or didn’t do at USC…I just don’t see why anyone would want him to do well. And in terms of the Levis situation, posters should at least judge the players that leave consistently with those that stay. Clifford got bashed all year by some yet Levis got praised and Clifford had a better year. That’s what I mean by some posters treat players that leave better than players that are here.
 
I'd say the same thing to Mark next time I see him that I posted on here (though it likely won't be until September). That's the difference between you and I...things I post are things I'd say to someone's face and plenty here know who I am, rather than trying to troll and invent a new personality every time I've been proven wrong.

And care to quote what I said that was "ragging on Mark", because you've greatly mischaracterized it?
Nobody knows who you are or cares. Apologist.
 
Shrews says goodbye.

Sorry, these things ring hollow to me. A couple of weeks ago, he implored fans to support the program then left for more money. OK, I get it. But don't piss on my back and tell me it's raining.

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I think he overstated the "unprecedented heights" stuff.
 
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I don’t care what Redd did or didn’t do at USC…I just don’t see why anyone would want him to do well. And in terms of the Levis situation, posters should at least judge the players that leave consistently with those that stay. Clifford got bashed all year by some yet Levis got praised and Clifford had a better year. That’s what I mean by some posters treat players that leave better than players that are here.
I'll play a bit....my kids were raised loving PSU football as much as I do. They were born in Norwalk, CT which is where Silas Redd is from. So not only was he a Penn State star...he was "their" PSU star.

Like Micah, he made an understandable decision based on his own best interests. This is a pretty common human trait. If I was Silas' father, who was a police officer, and my kid could leave the PSU dumpster fire and go to Tailback U I'd at least have to consider it. I'm sure there were hems and haws, concerns about leaving friends and a situation at PSU where you'd be THE man. Sticking to your word and personal integrity were surely discussed.

If you've ever been on the So Cal campus you may have even more insight. It is a hole in a donut of an area just south of DTLA which is pretty amazing. Years later my own son and I fell in love with the place too. It is a real easy place to "flee" to...

I have no venom for him...but no love either. I followed his career and found myself rooting for him to play, but didn't care one way or the other about his results. Like Micah, Redd's departure spurned on others, which could have decimated our program. PSU Football is more resilient than PSU Basketball, which must have a witch doctor somewhere just sticking needles through its' head.

Like Silas, Micah was clearly talented and a game changer for us. He was a l8keable guy who didn't ooze of the filth that pervades in his profession ( Calipari, Pitino, Valvano, Miller, Pearl, etc etc). He could've been our Bo Ryan....someone who was smart enough to overcome our deficiencies while making us the best we can be.

It used to be that we were happy just to not he humiliated. Pat got us to competitive and the brink of pretty good. Micah pulled some rabbits out of his hat and polished the turd of what was a less than ideal situation. He talked of commitment, culture, caring. John Harrar's motor and grind epitomized our grit. And the Coach himself started to lash out at officials who treated Jalen like a freshman instead of the All American he was because he played in our uniform.

It was easy to see a long run with Micah. And then things got really exciting. And then it was over. But it won't he over until we reset our table....likely with all new placesettimgs. So we are actually probably in a worse position than two years ago...in a flash.

I didn't celebrate the relative failures of some of our departed. I don't take joy in others' misery (unless you are Tom Brady, Urban Meyer, or the Cowboys or Celtics). Will left for the same reason that Tommy Stevens did and both had their chance. Tommy at least made an NFL roster and Will is in a draft position that is much better than had he stayed. I did root for both because I would have done the same thing. They wanted their chance.

The Wall Steet rule of Bulls Win, Bears Win and Pigs Get Slaughtered comes to mind. Micah is doing what any analyst would tell him to do for a myriad of reasons. As he poaches our roster/recruits and our program hits reset, I wonder how the story will be told in the media. Whatever he "built" will be gone. The dirty underbelly of the whole charade of college sports exposed for all to see.

I won't wish evil upon his teams (like I did for Wheeler), but I cannot root for him. The kids will make their own decisions. Maybe Micah will hire John Harrar at ND to give him a piece of the action? In my opinion John is as responsible as Micah for his success at State.

If Micah finds himself unemployed in 3-4 years, and Purdue doesn"t want him, then maybe he'll regret leaving. Or not.
 
I don’t care what Redd did or didn’t do at USC…I just don’t see why anyone would want him to do well. And in terms of the Levis situation, posters should at least judge the players that leave consistently with those that stay. Clifford got bashed all year by some yet Levis got praised and Clifford had a better year. That’s what I mean by some posters treat players that leave better than players that are here.
Why wouldn't anyone want him to do well? He played hard while he was here and did what he thought was best for himself as he should have.

Clifford was bashed by certain people because they watch him play weekly. Most see clips of Levis and have no clue what they're talking about. Normal people are almost always more critical of players you see daily. Plus Manu just want Allar to play so the criticism of Clifford was based on that desire.

We argue constantly but you have to comprehend that. You're not stupid.
 
He talked of commitment, culture, caring. John Harrar's motor and grind epitomized our grit. And the Coach himself started to lash out at officials who treated Jalen like a freshman instead of the All American he was because he played in our uniform.

If Micah finds himself unemployed in 3-4 years, and Purdue doesn"t want him, then maybe he'll regret leaving. Or not.
that's main thing i didnt like about the way he left. Just two weeks before he quits, he is talking about how a player who graduated last year laid the foundation for what they are now achieving, like he is seriously attached to the program and its players, and some kind of long term project is underway. ok MS. Harrar laid the foundation for his 14-day moment of fame, followed by him completely gutting the program
 
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Why wouldn't anyone want him to do well? He played hard while he was here and did what he thought was best for himself as he should have.

Clifford was bashed by certain people because they watch him play weekly. Most see clips of Levis and have no clue what they're talking about. Normal people are almost always more critical of players you see daily. Plus Manu just want Allar to play so the criticism of Clifford was based on that desire.

We argue constantly but you have to comprehend that. You're not stupid.
I’ll flip it around, why would anyone want him to do well? How does Silas Redd, Will Levis or anyone else that leaves doing well at another program help Penn State? And we argue constantly because you have this incessant need to argue with everyone in every thread. If someone started a thread entitled “why it’s great to be a Penn State fan”, you would post on there ten reasons why it’s not….but you’re a fan (right).
 
I’ll flip it around, why would anyone want him to do well? How does Silas Redd, Will Levis or anyone else that leaves doing well at another program help Penn State? And we argue constantly because you have this incessant need to argue with everyone in every thread. If someone started a thread entitled “why it’s great to be a Penn State fan”, you would post on there ten reasons why it’s not….but you’re a fan (right).
Because it's about the kid not the program he went to. Not rooting for USC or Kentucky but rooting for a kid to individual success. Again simple concept. The issue people have with Redd is he understood college football is a business while many here want to pretend otherwise.

You don't have the same need to argue?

There's countless reasons why it's great to be a Penn State fan. I'd only dispute stupid stuff like when people act holier than thou

Guessing you understood the part about being more critical of guys who watch weekly since you had to reply so at least that's good.
 
The main difference is one is loyal and the other isn’t. Simple as that.
That's not true at all. Why wasn't Franklin loyal to Vanderbilt? No one is loyal these days and if they're putting loyalty over everything else they're an idiot. Franklin is in it for himself. Don't pretend otherwise.
 
Because it's about the kid not the program he went to. Not rooting for USC or Kentucky but rooting for a kid to individual success. Again simple concept. The issue people have with Redd is he understood college football is a business while many here want to pretend otherwise.

You don't have the same need to argue?

There's countless reasons why it's great to be a Penn State fan. I'd only dispute stupid stuff like when people act holier than thou

Guessing you understood the part about being more critical of guys who watch weekly since you had to reply so at least that's good.
My only question is which team you’re really a fan of….Pitt, OSU or Michigan. I can’t tell for sure, but I’d guess Pitt.
 
My only question is which team you’re really a fan of….Pitt, OSU or Michigan. I can’t tell for sure, but I’d guess Pitt.
See...avoidance. The fact anyone doesn't think I'm a Penn State is comical. I follow more Penn State sports than most here. I'm just not living in the past.
 
I’ll flip it around, why would anyone want him to do well? How does Silas Redd, Will Levis or anyone else that leaves doing well at another program help Penn State? And we argue constantly because you have this incessant need to argue with everyone in every thread. If someone started a thread entitled “why it’s great to be a Penn State fan”, you would post on there ten reasons why it’s not….but you’re a fan (right).
Well, I guess it's for the same reason that, if you left this board, I would want you to do well. I would not check on you daily hoping to hear things were not going good!
 
Like most Pitt fans, little brother following big brother around.
Now I'm a Pitt fan? Pitt athletics are inferior to Penn State across the board. Pitt is having a little run in WVB but other than that there's no comparison. It's why I'm against playing them and WVU in football. We gain nothing win or lose. They gain a ton. Again, this board claims people that don't blindly ramble holier-than-thou BS aren't real fans. Accept that concept is outdated. Stop living in 1986
 
Now I'm a Pitt fan? Pitt athletics are inferior to Penn State across the board. Pitt is having a little run in WVB but other than that there's no comparison. It's why I'm against playing them and WVU in football. We gain nothing win or lose. They gain a ton. Again, this board claims people that don't blindly ramble holier-than-thou BS aren't real fans. Accept that concept is outdated. Stop living in 1986
There’s a difference between blindly rambling holier than though BS and downgrading PSU every chance you get and the only compliments you give are backhanded compliments. Everyone on here sees through your game, but keep at it.
 
There’s a difference between blindly rambling holier than though BS and downgrading PSU every chance you get and the only compliments you give are backhanded compliments. Everyone on here sees through your game, but keep at it.
If you see everything as a backhanded compliment then you simply overrated us at seemingly everything then.
 
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