It's not turnover. It's the hires themselves. Franklin needs to fire Hagans and then put AK in charge of hiring an actual real wr coach.
Hagans is a hack.
Blame Allar all you want but you can't win big games without wide receivers. Period.
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Hagans is a hack.
You know that it's broken when Knox and Marbles actually agree on something 😂
PSU needs to throw some NIL money at one or two of those Oregon or OSU backup WRs. Both of those teams are stacked at that position. Texas is another with a deep WR room.
We scored 24 points. Enough to win if defense could stop ND.
The wide receiver thing is completely overblown. Do we have dominant wide receivers? No. But we have the best tight end in the country. One of the best backfield duos in the country. And our wide receivers are good enough.
KLS left here and went to Auburn, and had the best season of his career by far.
Julian Fleming left Ohio State and came here, and had the worst season of his career.
Dante Cephus had a 1200 yard season, then came here two years ago and did nothing.
Are the wide receivers bad, or is our offense bad at getting the ball to the wide receivers? Evidence points more to the latter. And these examples cover a couple of offensive coordinators. The common denominators are Franklin and Allar.
The video on the 'X' would not load for me.
Is this individual suggesting that the pass thrown behind Singleton when he was wide open in the flat for a TD and resulted in a field goal was not the fault of DA?
I'm obviously lacking context....
ETA: Watched the video. it has nothing do with the play that I was questioning. Warren appears to be open early as the defender is taking a deeper route to gain coverage.
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The video is focused on ONE snap of the game where Harrison Wallace doesn't get separation on a slant route, leading to an incomplete pass. That's it. One snap proves the WR stink, apparently.
Agreed, he didn't separate from the defender and wasn't open. I counter with the thought that if ND was in man coverage and his slant routes weren't open, Drew could have taken off and gotten a pretty significant gain on that play.
And no mention of the short drag route to Wallace in the 2nd half that was open but really poorly thrown by Drew, leading to an incompletion.
Drew played a bad game. It's ok to say it. No need to blame it all on the WRs.
If that goal line pass to Nick is a completion, all other factors equal, the premise of this original post is likely proven wrong.
It would change how the entire game was called and managed. Who knows the outcome?
I agree that there is plenty of blame to go around.
And it frustrates me that because of the end result, it foreshadows the many good things that we did along the way.
I don't recall a loss against a quality opponent in a while where I thought that for the most part, we were the better football team.
That doesn't mean that we could not have beaten OSU or Oregon, but in terms of matchup and physicality, I do see us making strides....
I honestly thought Fleming would have a big year and make his mark at PSU. Just don't understand the lack of a potent passing attack at PSU
He probably would have put up better numbers staying at OSU, even with limited playing time.
They had ZERO CATCHES FOR ZERO YARDS. Damn right it was their fault. They were poor all year long.
My perspective is Allar didn't play well. don't look at completions to WR's look at targets.
Penn State did not react to the long halftime very well. ND came out on fire and it took PSU a while to get their tempo back.
I am not a Franklin hater, but I don't think they had a great game plan.
I thought Penn State was better and should have won. It makes this a bitter pill to swallow.
Penn State did not react to the long halftime very well. ND came out on fire and it took PSU a while to get their tempo back.
I am not a Franklin hater, but I don't think they had a great game plan.
I thought Penn State was better and should have won. It makes this a bitter pill to swallow.
Allar did not play a good game. But the problem is the wide receivers and their coach. .
One snap doesn't prove the wide receivers stink, you are correct.
Two straight god damn years, however, does.
Please shut the hell up now. Hagans needs fired, his wr room is the reason they lost, and you are the only person on the face of the earth who doesn't see that.
The last couple of years receivers that transfer from here do better elsewhere, and receivers who transfer here from elsewhere do worse. Any explanation for that?
Can you really say that the coach is doing a bad job? Which guy is Justin Jefferson? Also, in the PSU scheme how many first reads are to WR's? This isn't as simple as the coach and WR's all stink.
I watched the game with a few non-PSU fans and many had the same opinion. Of course, not having elite WRs doesn't help but there are many factors that entered into the loss
100% can't get open, can't catch contested balls... no chance. One reason why Allar had to force the issue. He did miss a couple of fairly open throws, but Harrison, Clifford, Evans and #3 from Southern Colombia, PA all suck.
I completely disagree. completley.
First and foremost, if the WR doesn't run a disciplined route, the QB has no idea where to throw the ball as it has to be released as they make their break and the QB can see that the cover is out of position. For example, if you look at the horrible INT you will see that what Allar expected the WR to do is not what he did. Was Allar or the WR right, I don't know. But the WRs HAVE TO run consistent and disciplined routes. And their lack of quality routes is why they aren't being targeted. Nobody knows where the **** they'll be. Oh, they may be open later but that is too late. They have to run a consistent route and be open when they are supposed to be open. Too late or too early doesn't help.
Big-time college football isn't like the street where you tell your kid brother to break toward the Chevy and I'll hit you in front of the trash can. These kids are world-class athletes and the winner is the one who executes.
Yeah, I also spoke with a big-time NFL fan who’s not a college football guy at all but watched the game and PSU for the first time. He indicated that he can’t believe that Allar is an NFL prospect at all with the bad decision-making and the terrible mechanics. Just wasn’t a good night for the guy. He’ll get it together and I think he’s going to have a great year next season.
Allar is not an accurate QB, sorry to break it to you. Another big arm who can’t even make a 3 yard pass to a wide open RB.
They complete that pass 19 out of 20 times. Physical mistakes happen unfortunately.
IMHO, the biggest issue on that drive was the play calls prior to getting bailed out by the PI call.
PSU runs the ball to move inside the redzone and then they wind up throwing multiple fades to the corner. WTH?!?!?!?!
When something works, you keep doing it. I don't know what those play calls actually were, but how do you throw a couple fades to WRs that I don't think caught a fade all season?
It probably shouldn't have ever come down to that 3rd down poor pass by Allar and drop by Singleton.
Dan Patrick mentions how it's nearly impossible to go an entire game without a single wr catch, and he mentions this THREE TIMES
THIS IS NOT JUST IRATE FANS, THIS IS THE NATIONAL VIEWPOINT
THIS IS NOT JUST IRATE FANS, THIS IS THE NATIONAL VIEWPOINT
I've had to train myself to accept such things and move on. It doesn't necessarily come easy though.
Well, he's not wrong. That's the stat that blew my mind. Just hard to believe
The biggest issue is our WRs are so bad we don't really even game plan for them.
When we do they can't execute. Evans lined up in the backfield then never looked for the ball early in the game. They tried to even run a slant to Wallace who couldn't beat his man off the line
4 total targets to WR.
Is that scheme, QB, or WR issue? Though to see without the all 22.
Based on Kansas...WR issue
But slightly a product of Warren being elite
Bad analysis by the guy doing the voiceover commentary ... that play is crap, and is indicative of what I've been complaining about with AK's route setup. The commentator yells for the guy to run ... uh, dude ... if he had run, he'd run himself right into coverage by the guy who is covering Dinkins, who is, for some reason running a slanting in route at the same depth as the other receiver. He slowed down because he was WIDE OPEN, so he "sat" a bit and Allar wasn't even looking at him ... after that, he just ran into uncoverable muck (thanks to the coverage and the poor play call) and then Drew threw it to him too late. You have 2 receivers converging. Ridiculous. Up top, you have 2 receivers, and, rather than going in different directions, forcing the corners/safeties to make choices, one trails the other to the inside. And Warren's route was sloppy, letting himself be easily covered.
Herbie comments after the game "feel really bad for Drew. He played really well, not only tonight, but all year"
I think people simply have too high of expectations for guys. I disagree with Herbie slightly--I think that's the worst game Allar's played this season but he still had us in position to win 24-17. I hope things work our well for him next year--wherever he is.
I think people simply have too high of expectations for guys. I disagree with Herbie slightly--I think that's the worst game Allar's played this season but he still had us in position to win 24-17. I hope things work our well for him next year--wherever he is.
Jesus fu#$ing Christ for the 1 millionth time, it's coaching. Hagans is not qualified for his job and needs fired.
