Still too many capital letters in his post, though. But I agree with your assessment.
Bob Jubelirer just posted to his FB page inre Lubert . . .
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Still too many capital letters in his post, though. But I agree with your assessment.
Why not have a Players Wall with plaques for *all* of PSU's results through the years--back to 1894 and up to the present. That would be a compromise--and a start--that I expect everyone could live with, the exception the "all or nothing" factions on both sides.
No, not specifically, but Labrano did make the very obtuse and mysterious statement about "a calculated risk" and Ira being on a short leash (e.g., small window of opportunity to demonstrate his leadership and back-up his significant material statements in the Executive Session, whatever they were).
I don't think there is new information.
I think someone read this, ' I asked Ira some pretty tough questions so I could cast a fair and intelligent vote. I learned things I was unaware of from his responses. He convinced the nine of us that he would be a fair, impartial and inclusive Chairman"
and took it as though there is new info relative to the JS mess. I read this to mean, that he learned some new things about Ira.
that's the way I took it, I am sure I will be straighten out if wrong.
If Ira Lubert's words are sincere in the Executive Session, why have his actions for the last four years not backed up those words even once????
I would love to hear any or all of the A9 rationalize a vote based on Lubert's words when those words simply cannot be reconciled with his actions.
I would love to hear any or all of the A9 rationalize a vote based on Lubert's words when those words simply cannot be reconciled with his actions.
Yea If I were the Berkey's I'd ask for my 3 mil. back until they remove Erickson's name.
Not gonna happen--not right now. Not until the trials are done or charges dropped.
If we are right about the Freeh report, then 1 has a likelihood of happening within the year--once the review is complete--which would lead to the others being more likely.
Leading up to the Board Meeting, the A9 Trustees made it beyond clear that Ira was going to be asked about his clear apparent COIs in regards to The Second Mile and Sandusky (and Jubelirer made this quite clear in the opening of his statement attached by the OP), so logic dictates that the responses which contained information that the questioner asking about these COIs was "unaware of" and they stated, "I learned things I was unaware of from his responses." quite clearly suggests new information relative to TSM, DPW, CYS and Sandusky, your completely illogical and non-analytical "opinion" (i.e., "that's the way I took it") notwithstanding!
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How do you know what the new material information is that Lubert gave the A9 Trustees in response to questions of his apparent COIs relative to TSM, Sandusky, DPW and CYS? How can you make a judgement when the information provided may have been extremely significant and material?
Given the past actions of the OGBOT, I'm going to believe the rumor that members of the A9 have put in a bid to purchase a certain bridge in Brooklyn.
I would have made that #3.
and I'll say the this to the doubters . . . throw your hat in the ring if you think you can do a better job. I may not agree with the decision 100% that the A9 made, but they are still in it.
I doubt I could do a better job but that doesn't make what the A9 did right! What are they still in?
Does it smell funny?
IDK. I think a good guess would be: He made them an offer they couldn't refuse.
I think it probably is really that bad of a situation.
just wondering out loud, but if this is what it took to keep from getting marginalized with other assignments, was it worth it? At the end of the day we all have to live with who we are.
well if in this whole mess, anything was logical I'd agree with you, but nothing is logical so how can you jump on me for not being logical??
Not that I remember. IIRC Tribek said something to the effect that there were no deals made (no voting for Lubert in return for an agreement on Freeh or governance). He made it sound like Ira promised to play nice and the A9 decided to vote for him because there was no one else on the ballot in hopes Ira really does play nice.
I am simply saying that his words do not match his last four years worth of actions. I can't point to a single time when he sided with the good guys publicly when he has had opportunity after opportunity to do so. If you can point to such an event, I would be happy to be reminded of it.
I've been kind of silent in my thoughts and criticisms of the A9. I think they are all decent people so I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt.
But I did very clearly say that I felt the game would over once Lubert became President. I hope I am wrong.
IOW, it very well could be Lubert taking the "flyer", the desperation Hail Mary, etc...in an attempt to stay in control of the situation and critically INFORMATION (and how it is released to authorities or the public). It is impossible to know what new material information and offers were made, but it sure does seem clear that something of significance happened in the Executive Session....could be practically anything especially with the OAG ominously saying they have decided to investigate TSM the very week leading up to the Board Meeting where elections were going to be held and A9 Trustees were publicly stating that they planned on grilling Lubert about his numerous COIs relative to TSM, Sandusky, DPW, CYS, the PA Government, powerful PA politicians, etc....
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Ira now has what he has always wanted... He is pulling the strings at PSU so now he is willing to work with others. Yes he can control things but the A9 can make life for him quite a pain in the neck if he isn't willing to work with them.
here is my one Big Ironic concern. What if everyone has been played and Ira comes out of this looking like the hero with some grand sweep of his arm gesture like he made the:
Statue reappear? no apologies, just let the masses enjoy the statue and a little celebration?
remember how every one felt when the victories were restored?
get your vomit bags ready.
Statue reappear? no apologies, just let the masses enjoy the statue and a little celebration?
remember how every one felt when the victories were restored?
get your vomit bags ready.
That's my guess. I think the A9 were given an offer to have their houses painted, and significant carpentry work afterwards performed and they decided that they liked their houses as is.
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Yes but he didn't have the title. Now he has the title. He knows the A9 and alumni are not going away. So he knows he has to do some things to ease the masses. With Lord moving up is already the 1st step. We have to wait and see what the rest are since the executive sessions are not for public consumption.
Nice, in the first half of your sentence you agree that your conclusions are illogical based on Jubelirer's very own statements both before and after the meeting, and then in the second half of your post you ask a rhetorical question which you yourself have already answered in the first half of your question and agreed that your "that's the way I took it" is nothing more than pure illogical, agenda-based spin and hyperbole posed as an opinion with some form of basis....
In other words nimrod, you've already answered your rhetorical question in the second-half of your response with the statement in your first-half of the response -- why do I qualify your: "and took it as though there is new info relative to the JS mess. I read this to mean, that he learned some new things about Ira....that's the way I took it" as unadulterated, illogical, agenda-driven PR spin and hyperbole (e.g., rhetoric) posed as well-reasoned, genuine "opinion"? Probably for the very same reasons that you admit that this is precisely what it is in the first half of your response! LMFAO, why are you asking me rhetorical questions that you have already answered yourself and clearly are not genuine "questions" on your part whatsoever. Nice try though Mr. Edelman!
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I think you've got it bass aackwards, Lubert and his corrupt OG cronies have always controlled these strings and 100% of the power and authority, but he is desperate to hang on to it as heat continues to rise.... Sometimes desperate people do desperate things, such as lying about material information in the hope that if they can hang onto absolute power the lie will never be know as you can absolutely control information and the narrative IF, AND ONLY IF, YOU CAN HANG ONTO ABSOLUTE CONTROL.....
I've been speculating for a long time that the BOT always planned to rehabilitate Joe's reputation at a time and in a manner of their choosing. Not to be crass, but Joe's legacy is worth too much money to squander. This unholy alliance would fit with my theory. And while I don't want to see the BOT get credit without having to accept the blame, the narrative will not change until Penn State tries to change it in an official manner.
I'm afraid I came to the same conclusion.
Disagree, if Lubert is desperate to hang onto power regardless of means (including lies and misrepresentation), he would most definitely not want a low profile.
that's not crass at all. The OGBOT bled hundreds of millions in pointing the finger at Joe. But in terms of future endowments and fundraising for the University? Hard to calculate what that would cost, but significantly more. It WILL be done.
I have a feeling the 71 and 76 allegations were poison pills left by turds like Frazier and Somalis. other than with the mouth breathers, they don't seem to be getting much traction. Perhaps that is part of Lubert's longer game. Hell, I think he is despicable, but Ira doing the right thing just to make himself look like the savior would be OK with me.
crm: Who ARE you and what is your deal? The tenor of your recent posts suggests that you align yourself much more closely with Lubert and Dambly than with the vast majority of posters on this Board. Or with PS4RS, for that matter.
I have no idea whether Barry was banned, but he is certainly no lunatic. I understand that he has frequently employed some very strong language to make his point, but the fact is that he usually has a good point to make.
Like many here, I am less than thrilled with the approach that the A9 took in last Friday's election. But the die appears cast for the time being, and we will soon see whether the confidence the A9 placed in a genuine change of approach by Lubert, as well as the confidence PSU alums placed in the A9 via their election, have been misplaced. Barry may well prove to be correct,
Perhaps what we have is akin to a "truce." An agreement to temporarily suspend hostilities to see if a common ground can be found. We have witnessed the war of words, accusations countered by salacious and reprehensible behavior by MSM and "journalists." Not one OGBOT is indicted and JVP's reputation continues to take unwarranted hits.
I don't believe Corbett or his lap dog Surma had any idea of the ramifications their ill conceived plot would create. At least Corbett was retired 4 years early.
I could give a damn if the "University" ever honors Joe. His players are coming to State College in a month or so and they will do it without and to the embarrassment of the "University."
Someone, Barron or Lubert needs to apologize to Sue for the way things went down and acknowledge Joe's contributions to PSU. Unconditional surrender is not likely, so let's see what the terms of a negotiated peace might be?
I don't believe Corbett or his lap dog Surma had any idea of the ramifications their ill conceived plot would create. At least Corbett was retired 4 years early.
I could give a damn if the "University" ever honors Joe. His players are coming to State College in a month or so and they will do it without and to the embarrassment of the "University."
Someone, Barron or Lubert needs to apologize to Sue for the way things went down and acknowledge Joe's contributions to PSU. Unconditional surrender is not likely, so let's see what the terms of a negotiated peace might be?
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Kinda knew Ira was going to add another alumni elected trustee to the Executive Committee and I'm not at all surprised that it's Al Lord. I'll just leave it at that. LOL.
In the the last communication I had with him he said: "I hope I can live up to your expectations".You all know I'm a move on guy so you can read into his statement whatever you want. I also think you guys are reading waaaay to much into this unanimous vote thingy. Ira is going to do what he thinks is best for PSU and a unanimous nod isn't going to change that.
In the the last communication I had with him he said: "I hope I can live up to your expectations".You all know I'm a move on guy so you can read into his statement whatever you want. I also think you guys are reading waaaay to much into this unanimous vote thingy. Ira is going to do what he thinks is best for PSU and a unanimous nod isn't going to change that.
