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Wonder why he plead guilty then as obviously he knew that at the time of trial. Figured he would be the one to go on the stand and speak his mind.
I have no idea how long Tim has left but avoiding the stress of a criminal trial may have been exactly why he pled guilty.
Folks, please don't say what you would do. You have not been in Tim's situation. Let me add, I lost my wife to cancer. If his cancer has spread, he is dealing with issues you can't imagine unless you've experienced it or tried to navigate it with the most important person in your life. Perspective is determined by where you stand. I learned 7 years 8 months and 19 days ago, not to say never.
Very sad news. For those "in the know", was Tim a former cigarette smoker?
If not, it has to make one wonder why he and Joe are victims of lung cancer.
If not, it has to make one wonder why he and Joe are victims of lung cancer.
Pure speculation, but we grew up (I'm 67) in an era where kids sat in the back seat of a car and Mom and Dad smoked. Just sayin.....
15,000 to 20,000 people get lung cancer each year from radon in their homes.
Uh....... 2 days? After 5 years?
With the trade-off of a "peaceful and sedate" trip to the stand as a convicted Child Endangerer to testify against his long-time associate (and supposed friend)?
Uh....... I don't think that dog hunts at all.
Heart attacks are not unusual events in criminal trials. The stress is unbelievable.Uh....... 2 days? After 5 years?
With the trade-off of a "peaceful and sedate" trip to the stand as a convicted Child Endangerer to testify against his long-time associate (and supposed friend)?
Uh....... I don't think that dog hunts at all.
Radon, in Joe's case a lifetime games and practices out in the cold (as you may recall he tended to develop a terrible, nagging cough late every season), could be lots of things....My grandfather died of lung cancer at age 87 and wasn't a smoker.
I am not a judge and my opinion is mine so I will keep it that way. I will however wish tim Curley well with his health. I will wish dr Spanier well with his health as well. Gary Schulrz's wife is apparently fairly ill and i wish her well. Prayers sent.
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I don't think people should speculate as to Tim's health. No, he was not a smoker.
That said, jail in this case would be cruel and unusual punishment.
That said, jail in this case would be cruel and unusual punishment.
That's not even at issue.
What is the (I would think obvious) issue is that 99.999999% of the human race would not find it to be a "less stressful" option to plead guilty to endangering children, and then take the stand to provide testimony that helps to convict your "friend"....... rather than allow your attorney to spend 2 days (after alteady enduring a 2,000 day lead up) making a case for your innocence.
But maybe TC is that one in 100,000,000 who's DNA fits that pattern.
You never know.
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Radioactive iodine is water soluble. So, when there's a nuclear disaster, for example, Chernobyl, it blows everwhere.
Unfortunately, Cancer isn't usually trackable to a source. Many things can cause cancer.
Imagine swimming in rivers as a kid before the EPA.
Smoking has a link to lung cancer. But, other things can cause lung cancer, too.
That's not even at issue.
What is the (I would think obvious) issue is that 99.999999% of the human race would not find it to be a "less stressful" option to plead guilty to endangering children, and then take the stand to provide testimony that helps to convict your "friend"....... rather than allow your attorney to spend 2 days (after alteady enduring a 2,000 day lead up) making a case for your innocence.
But maybe TC is that one in 100,000,000 who's DNA fits that pattern.
You never know.
We disagree. Given his medical condition, and the near certainty of a longer sentence if convicted, most criminal attorneys I know would recommend their client take the plea. In my opinion that is the far less stressful choice. Beyond that, it is possible that his treatment for cancer severely diminished his ability to make a meaningful defense. I will leave it at that.
I believe Tim has had the lung cancer for awhile which was posted on the board several years ago. Sound like it unfortunately has spread to the liver which is basically a death sentence sooner than later.
True dat.
At any rate, get the whole story out, Tim, whatever the hell it is. Don't take it to the grave, even if pisses everybody off.
At any rate, get the whole story out, Tim, whatever the hell it is. Don't take it to the grave, even if pisses everybody off.
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Question I am sure someone knows but even with Tim pleading guilty does he still get to keep his retirement pension? Thinking he plead guilty if he knew he was very ill and spend his remaining days whatever that may be with his family and his family would still be taken care of even if he passed away with his pension intact assuming it is after pleading guilty
I will add this. Tim's defense attorney is Caroline Roberto. She is among the best. If she advised Tim to take the plea deal, that is good enough for me.
Obviously this is all tangential vav Curley's health issue (well, not really even tangential..... an entirely different issue, actually), but:
After getting past all the "supposes" and "alibies" and "hypotheses", there are three "undebatables" wrt CSS's trials:
As a result of C and S's pleas, and Spanier's abstention:
1 - Curley and Schultz are admitted and convicted "Child Endangerers"....... And, now, nothing will ever change that
2 - Because of "1", Penn State's legacy will forever be tarnished - to one degree or another.
And, now, nothing can ever change that.
And - most importantly:
3 - The Truth - wrt everything from "who said what to whom", to the roles and actions of everyone associated w 2nd Mile, CYS, DPW, OAG etc ...... the hope of ever uncovering that truth, was killed and buried.
And, now, nothing can ever change that.
Alas
After getting past all the "supposes" and "alibies" and "hypotheses", there are three "undebatables" wrt CSS's trials:
As a result of C and S's pleas, and Spanier's abstention:
1 - Curley and Schultz are admitted and convicted "Child Endangerers"....... And, now, nothing will ever change that
2 - Because of "1", Penn State's legacy will forever be tarnished - to one degree or another.
And, now, nothing can ever change that.
And - most importantly:
3 - The Truth - wrt everything from "who said what to whom", to the roles and actions of everyone associated w 2nd Mile, CYS, DPW, OAG etc ...... the hope of ever uncovering that truth, was killed and buried.
And, now, nothing can ever change that.
Alas
At first glance, I cannot disagree with Nos. 1 and 2. I am in basic agreement with No. 3, but I think there is a small chance that we will know more in 5 years or 10 than we do now. It may not be much, and I cannot say from whence it will surface, but I will leave the door open to the possibility.
I wonder if TC consents to interviews. It's about the only way left to get some questions answered.
There's a plausible (if highly unlikely) scenario for changing that:
Sandusky gets a new trial
A couple of the "victims" are exposed via competent defense and spirited cross-examination, causing the rest to recant the allegations of CSA (still alleging "inappropriate behavior" just enough to not jeopardize their settlements)
Sandusky is exonerated of all charges, shown to be a guy with boundary issues, but not a sexual predator
C/S/S and Paterno are seen to have taken action not only appropriate to the information they had (which is already clear), but also appropriate to what actually happened; the guilty verdicts for C/S/S are summarily thrown out
Penn State plays their 2018 football home opener on the newly christened Paterno Field, complete with replica glasses handed out to all the students in honor of Joe Paterno Day
(Bonus: MM spends all his settlement money fighting off slander lawsuits from C/S/S and the Paterno estate after V2 recants)
Penn State is still out quite a bit financially, but at least justice is done. The various actors in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania will be seen as corrupt as always; not much is going to change that.
It will all go away if we just move on.
It would be nice to have the BOT leadership tell the media they're full of sh*t every once and a while. They only do that when guys they hired like Freeh put them on blast. Completely reactionary. Never once out in front of a story. They're cowards because it might hurt their personal bottom line to speak up$$$$$.
Possibly.
Maybe. But the attorneys will need to be of strong will because they will take a ton of heat for what will be seen publicly as attacking victims of child sex abuse, which is never a good luck and isn't going to win over a jury unless their facts are air tight. Perhaps a few resort to this but I'd think it will be rare.
Never. If he's retried maybe he skates on a handful of additional charges but I'd put Sandusky's chances of complete exoneration around 0.0001%.
Never. No matter what happens from this point forward the general public is never going to believe that C/S/S and Paterno did no wrong. By the time any appeals are settled Curley and Schultz will have served their time. Spanier's fate will depend on his appeal.
Never. The University will never honor Paterno in the ways many here want them to because the public backlash would be incredible.
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Not sure I understand your point. Yes he knew that at the time of the trial. It was part of his plea bargain deal. He agreed to plead guilty in order to be sentenced to serve any jail time at home. The prosecution and the court didn't seem to like the testimony that Curley gave at the Spanier trial and the judge decided to go back on the sentencing agreement. Curley has simply filed a brief asking that the original agreement be reinstated.
His lung cancer might be incurable, but that doesn't mean that he's destined to die in the next 90 days. It's even possible to have Stage IV lung cancer and live five years or more. Doctors rarely say that anyone is "cured" of lung cancer. They typically say that it is in remission, but very much avoid the term cured. Curley has already survived seven years with his lung cancer. He had one recurrence of the cancer after it was originally thought to be in remission, so you would never hear the doctors use the term cured with him. So we really don't know what kind of shape he is in.
In any case, I will send out a prayer for a man that I never met, caught in a tangled web of lies created for political expediency who did what he thought was best for his family...
It happens. My mother died of lung cancer at age 62, having never smoked. I got pretty tired of answering the question "Did she smoke?" People meant well: they just had no idea.
Don't forget. We all grew up in the age of asbestos. Drop ceilings, insulation around pipes, floor paneling. It's easy to get lung cancer.
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The problem is that Tim Curley has about zero credibility accept with PSU diehards. The judge and jury (at least a few members) publically questioned Curley's honesty. Per the judge, questions that Curley could not answer, would not answer or could not recall answers to while testifying during the Spanier trial, he was able to provide answers to with the judge in chambers a week before the trial. The initial conversation with the judge was when they went over the request for house arrest for Curley, he was a little more forthcoming there.
At this point Curley giving interviews is not going to sway public opinion. Most people place the biggest value on testimony in court, lying there can have serious consequences.
Yes, and the public is made up of a minority of idiots like you. Erickson has been called an outright liar. Stick to the Lair with your shit.
I sort of agree. I'm not sure how Tim is believable at this point if he states anything different than what he pleaded to or testified about.
Curley isn't going to say anything that cintradicts his testimony which was that MM didnt tell him about sexual assault but he regrets not reporting to the agencies. I agree that the general public isn't likely to cut Curley any slack at this point.
The question that hasn't been asked is to clarify his e-mail comment about "after talking to Joe". Did Joe encourage Tim to confront JS instead of (not in addition to) reporting to agencies? I think it would soften the narrative about Joe if he says that it was his decision alone. Not a lot, but a little.
The sad thing is that TSM, the AG, and the agencies are off the hook forever. So are people like Erickson who actually signed off on JS bringing kids into the Lasch building.
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