Breaking from Pennlive Curley and Shultz plead guilty.
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This is interesting to me - the question is why is JR not charged for 2001?
He was told as a mandated reporter and did nothing so why wasn't he charged?
do not deflect the answer to the university please
Remember the mountain of evidence you told everyone they had against C/S/S and Joe? What happened to that evidence, irondoc? Why weren't they all convicted on all those felonies if they had this mountain of evidence? Why did the state have to settle for misdemeanor pleas for C/S? Why did the state have to adopt a "hail mary" strategy to get Spanier?
Any that Bozo.
I don't know he felt that was going on to this day. How in the hell do you know? If it was rape I know what I would do in terms of making a call. I'm not pretending to walk in his shoes or be some hero...go get him if you need to. People can hate on MM all they want to...Jerry caused all of this and you still have knobs on this site crying for him like he will get a new trial and the world will find out how PSU was done wrong. It's not happening, these two just pleaded out, and it seems like they will testify against GS in a few weeks. I get the anger, just not where it is directed all of the time.
Wait a minute... Harmon testified for the state? About what? Are you suggesting that Law enforcement knew, or did not know about the 2001 shower scene when it occurred?
Please show me where I stated that they would never do that.
I'll anxiously await your response.
Go ask your imaginary friend , he could talk to the other voices in your head.
Aside from that , there will be a trial and part of the evidence is testimony from two guys who took a plea . Witness testimony is evidence . Now why do you think they plead guilty to this ?
For fun? Or they realized there was evidence against them . You can toss this idea around with your imaginary friend and the other voices, see what they think.
Thank You. I had forgotten that.
Harmon is a real-life Barney Fife.
"Harmon stated that in that conversation Schultz never mentioned that there had been a new allegation concerning Sandusky.
“I would have remembered if he had ever suggested that there had been another incident,” the former chief said.
If there had been, Harmon testified, he would have seen to it that his officers contacted the Centre County District Attorney’s office “and pursue it as an investigation.”
Harmon said he would have done so because, given the 1998 incident, there would have been “sufficient suspicion” about child abuse."
He was told about an incident with Jerry & a child that was going to result in him not being permitted to bring Second Mile kids to campus facilities.
His duty was to the law, and that duty was to report.
I'm livid about the damage.
Our boy from NEPA doesn't think, he just cackles. In fact, he gleefully posted here that a number of coaches and players were involved. Shame there are such malicious, spiteful people like that around.
If you have read my posts going back to 2012 I have said that the admins lied to investigators and that it was Mike who gave forthright testimony. when have I ever mentioned trying to validate anything Mike did or didn't do that Friday night.
You probably just want to go there now that there is nothing else left to hang your hat on. If you want to blame Mike for the admins lying in 2011 then go for it if it helps you out but at least you will know the admins lied.
Think it's funny how you deny that you're the former irondoc. Shows how desperate you've become.
So the mountain of evidence against C/S/S and Joe that you claimed would get them all convicted on it's own never really existed?? That this "hail mary" strategy of turning C/S against Spanier is all the state really has left?? Sounds like the state is just as desperate as you are, irondoc.
maybe...but they were not convicted of lying to investigators. They did not plead guilty to conspiracy, lying, perjury.....so obviously you were wrong.
agree...but clearly PSU and the BOT were caught with their pants down..did not know how to handle this crisis for the benefit of PSU certainly from any PR standpoint.
For example...and again the cases are different however really should not viewed differently..but look at how MSU is handling Nassar case...you can say that no one cares as much about MSU as they did or do about PSU...but I would also say their administration has been better prepared ...
Oh thats right...we named a building after Fraudney...hysterical...
No, I'm arguing that there was more that Gricar in 1998 than the OAG had in 2011about the same incident and that Gricar knew that he had enough to prosecute. He chose not to, if Sandusky "received help with the problem?"
To whom did he say **I won't prosecute if Sandusky receives help with the problem?**
Go ask him what he thinks if you're worried about what he thinks .
I think the trial will prove to be interesting and now the state has more evidence, the testimony of the two who took a plea. Add that in with the testimony of others and any other evidence such as communications like emails and then see what you think.
Spoiler alert , you don't see all the evidence until a trial , that's the way things work.
I think the trial will prove to be interesting and now the state has more evidence, the testimony of the two who took a plea. Add that in with the testimony of others and any other evidence such as communications like emails and then see what you think.
Spoiler alert , you don't see all the evidence until a trial , that's the way things work.
I have been attempting to contact a moderator about posting something. I want to make sure it is not a violation of TOS.
If you give me an address, I send you a copy first.
I can't imagine being an unmistakable 6'4 redhead, living in the same small nowhere town where I grew up, understanding everyone who sees me knows I am a complete coward. People I've known my entire life. That I didn't stop a child from being hurt when I had a direct chance to do so. That I didn't care enough about this child, or the subsequent ones, only about my career and my tidy little entitled existence. An abject coward. I just can't imagine.
whoa...I'm certainly not one of those defending Jerry...in the end...this ALL falls on that scum bag..hope he rots away sooner versus later.
BUT...just as some say C/S/S are guilty...you can"t say MM is not at blame here as well.
If he really thought...a violation of some kind was happening...and this is all he did...he does not require more scrutiny?
But I do agree...if there was no Sandusky...there would not be this fiasco...
Report what? In his grand jury testimony, Curley stated McQueary told him that Sandusky was "horsing around" with a kid in the shower. Hence he never told the head of TSM that a child was in danger. Clearly either Curley or McQueary lied. Only a few diehards believe Curley. Regardless, both men were life long Penn Staters. Stop trying to place the blame on an outsider.
Oh really? Please explain how JS would be arrested when the one and only witness never filed an official statement with UPPD. I'm pretty sure cops can't just arrest people without cause. They would first need the witness to go on the record, as opposed to having an informal side bar chat with the admin who oversees UPPD a week after the incident.
MM was so upset with Schultz for never sending someone from UPPD to get his statement that when TC called him 4 or 5 days later to follow up with PSU's action plan (confront Js, revoke guest privileges, inform tsm) MM expressed no dissatisfaction and never said MORE needed to be done.
JM was so furious with Schultz never sending anyone from UPPD to get MM's statement that when he had a face to face follow up chat with Schultz a few months later, he never expressed dissatisfaction. Hmmm somethings not adding up here....
Welcome to the McAndrew Board, DC. You'll find that there are many of us here who are trying to establish the truth in it's entirety. A truth that, by any objective measure, encompasses more than just Penn State.
Pro tip: You'll find out very quickly that if your goal is to cover for the Second Mile, that you won't have many friends here.
Hey knucklehead, let's see where you predicted whether they would take a plea deal or not.
I'll anxiously await your response.
Did Mike know about 98 like the others? Since we don't know what he saw or really said for certain, it's hard to say exactly how culpable he is. Everyone including him is to a certain extent, but some of those did know more and did less. Again Jerry ruined countless lives and I wasn't saying that about you. It's a small handful that simply still wrap their head around what he did.
For the umpteenth time: it doesn't matter what Tim curly told the 2nd mile, they were obligated to look into any and all incidents no matter how benign, they were required to do this not only by internal policy but also state law. They failed to do that.
Ok dipstick since you're a little slow on the take and I said it to you directly already. I certainly didn't think they would take a plea deal.
