Breaking from Pennlive Curley and Shultz plead guilty.
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You are the king of deflection, stay on point. What I or anyone else feels about McQueary is irrelevant. Your defense of him by, once again, by bringing up what others did or did not do is suspect at best. I love your ability to assign a reason to what other people think.
Why can't you separate McQueary from the other 3? Forget his slamming of the locker door. What he did NOT do after that completely set the stage for everything else.
I am ****ing done talking to you.
Give a clear example of my defense of MM? Just one? Calling people idiots because they are looking at the ground still as a train is coming at them isn't defending the ground. That milk is spilt already. You're still stuck in 2011, fine stay there. Just learn to comprehend what people are saying.
I love this. "At Risk" kids working out at UMLY - the old Cassatt estate. At Conestoga & Great Valley - "At Risk" means you drive a used Volvo to your Blue Ribbon award winning public school. Heim wants to help "at risk" kids in Chester County? You go out to Coatesville or Valley Township, or perhaps he goes closer in to the city or down to Chichester and Chester school districts.
This was the sort of crap I discussed with Bruce Castor about Second Mile - he just about fell out of his chair. And PCCD approved it - the very entity that now is playing with $48 MILLION of Penn State's money.
Wait, I thought these were innocent men longing for their day court?
It really depends on what happens with Spanier and their sentencing.
The case has been through 5 AGs, one of whom actively criticized the case to get the job. Couple that with top shelf representation, add in the OAG trying to take some shortcuts, and it's going to make things challenging for the prosecution.
First it was: "If I were them, I'd want to have my say on the stand"
Then it was: "Since the jury will be biased, and we'll be found guilty, I'd want to do everything I could to get the charges dropped"
Now it is: "We plead Guilty, let's stay out of jail".
Yep, innocent men.
Then it was: "Since the jury will be biased, and we'll be found guilty, I'd want to do everything I could to get the charges dropped"
Now it is: "We plead Guilty, let's stay out of jail".
Yep, innocent men.
Challenging ? People here are acting like the prosecution just won the best plea bargain ever
I'm just trying to keep it real - after everything getting a plea on 1 M should not be viewed as something great by the prosecution - it's actually kind of weak when you think about it - don't ya think ?
Mind you I'm not sticking up for CS - I always felt like Schultz had some problems from the get go
Like I said just keeping it real - that's all
I was purposefully headed somewhere and then a "certain string of posts" suddenly "vamoosed"
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All very true. I'm thinking the plea bargain was a win for them, but the payment is still to come for that plea. Just a guess there, but I think they get really interesting really soon and not in a good way.
Ah, you really should read the article.
1. There is no suggestion in the article that Sandusky was ever part of a program like this.
2. The program started in the early 2000's, which completely rules out 1998, and possibly may rule out 2001.
Calendars are not your strong suit. I hope you did not get a degree from PSU.
You'll know next week why your idea here is utter nonsense. In the penn live article they admit to interfering with a report of csa.
It didn't matter what mike did , how was he supposed to know they wouldn't report it?
From the article :
That was part of the deal.
Curley and Schultz, in lengthy colloquies with current case prosecutors Laura Ditka and Patrick Schulte, acknowledged receiving McQueary's report and interfering with or preventing its transmission to police and child welfare officials.
They conceded a legal duty to do that and as a result of that inaction, the men admitted, prosecutors could show Sandusky continued to have access to boys and, in fact, abused another boy in Penn State's football facilities before his eventual arrest in 2011.
No probably about it. I can't say this enough, the people who are PAID to understand this stuff DPW CYS TSM did nothing and C/S were supposed to be the guys to take action.
Them being bad guys won't change Mike being a bad guy too
Does that explain it well enough for you ?
He did the wrong thing and they did the wrong thing - therefore - they are all bad guys right?
If this case has taught us anything, it's to never rely on anything the media reports on, especially in a courtroom. I look forward to reading the transcript and will draw my own conclusions.
But who was involved in handling 1998? That it the question of the day.
So someone who doesn't call the police when faced with the situation, that person is a bad guy?
It depends on what happens with Spanier and their sentencing.
If they take the stand and answer questions everyone has is that not a win for the commonwealth?
With something this political getting to the truth is nearly impossible. Most times neither side is willing to do what is necessary to get to it.
We'll find out if the state was just trying to save face shortly. I'm of the opinion they got something from C/S for the deal.
I do not know, but my guess is either the DA's Office or CYS. They both should have had the Chambers Report (it was sent to the DA's Office) and that information should have been shared with Lauro.
That said, nothing would have prevented Lauro from talking to Chambers.
It won't be a win as some may not like what they hear. Nobody won through out this whole entire mess.
STD, you've said (paraphrasing) that Gricar took the Catholic church model approach towards JS in 98. Do you know if JS ever got "help" for his problem and/or if there is documentation?
not a csa expert but Colt 21 seems to think Raykovitz had a responsibilty to investigate no matter why TC told him.
What if Baldwin's testimony had not been struck down by the PASC? Would there have been more incentive to settle earlier? Something to consider...
GBS might have been begging for a deal at this point.
I think the decision should have been appealed to the PA Supreme Court. That said, Hoover's decision was very poor.
You may have missed my point - you obviously know there is more than one bad guy in this situation
He was called before the grand jury.
You may have missed my point; that would apply equally to Paterno.
This statement had nothing to do with Paterno - why would you go there ? Interesting
There's no need for Baldwin with these guys.
It's like losing out on Wimbush but getting McSorley.
You mean 1998? No one. It was the other way around. Richard Houston and Harrisburg had Lauro shut down Gricar.
But losing Baldwin essentially destroyed the conspiracy charges - all felonies with almost no wiggle room to lower those to misdemeanors as part of a plea deal.
They would not be the first defendants (by a long shot) to plead guilty to something they didn't do because it was prudent risk management.
This plea was essentially equal to pleading guilty to vandalism. In the grand scheme of what they were originally charged with, this is NOTHING. This is a loss for the OAG. There is no other honest way to spin this.
You all are blowing this out of proportion. All this means is that they accepted a guilty plea. This is how the statute is written. There is no way they could have accepted a plea (to a minor charge) without "admitting" this.
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