Or his Dad and Dr. Dranov the night before when the kid could have still been in real danger.
Breaking from Pennlive Curley and Shultz plead guilty.
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Or his Dad and Dr. Dranov the night before when the kid could have still been in real danger.
It should have never got to Paterno
Remember he was fourth in line - just that fact alone kind of diminishes the urgency don't you think
Plus when it got to him he got out the book and followed it
Why the fixation on Paterno
Simple fact is that there was nothing preventing any of them from telling McQueary to call the police. There was nothing preventing any of them from calling police themselves. Most importantly, there was nothing preventing McQueary himself from making a call at the moment he witnessed the incident. McQueary does that and the whole cSe is on the police.
Wow. Another obviously false argument. You are really off your game tonight.
No, both carried out their legal duties.
Either it is okay to report it up the chain of command or it is not.
It is a hypocritical argument to say that Paterno was just fine reporting it to Curley, his superior, but that McQueary was wrong in reporting it to Paterno, his superior. Likewise, it is hypocritical to argue that Paterno should have dialed 911, after McQueary reported it, and I have heard that argument a lot .
I will also point out that if Curley and/or Schultz would have reported it after Paterno had reported it, we would not have seen this situation.
Which is a fabulous argument aside from the fact that it's completely invalid. There is nothing equal about those 2 people -- legal or otherwise -- irrespective of how many times you're compelled to repeat it. It's a false statement by any objective measure.
Of course you realize the major difference between Paterno telling his superior and McQueary telling his superior (Paterno) is that Paterno wasn't a witness to a crime. A witness to a crime usually does one of two things: They remain silent because they don't want to get involved, or they go to the police.
Yep. And how many boys were sexually abused due to Tom Corbett's inaction as he slow-walked the investigation?
I'm not sure if anyone answered your question but the original jury pool survey was done in September 2012. I don't know for fact but have reason to suspect there has been more recent follow up by DecisionQuest.
Paterno certainly had more prestige than McQueary. Paterno was more secure in his position and would be more likely to get the AD and the vice president to respond quickly.
It terms of their legal duties, they both complied.
However, the witness's duty was to either call Childline/911 or report it to his supervisor; either was a legitimate course. McQueary did that, and so did Paterno.
Apparently none.
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Could you show me where in Federal or PA law it states a witness to a crime has the option of only reporting it to their work supervisor?? TIA
This seems to have some parallels to the case Frank and Seth prosecuted last summer with the 4 Philadelphia congressmen. Their charges went from bribery to conflict of interest, then the prosecution claimed victory. Upon review, the victory was hollow and the prosecutors were up to their own "action". IDK, it seems like they run by the playbook, plug in the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd team. It doesn't matter. I guess all I wanted was testimony and that may be coming soon.
It would be helpful to know what John Seasock was doing for the University from 2000 to 2006.
Yes, I think its clear the reason it took so long to arrest Sandusky was because Aaron Fisher was a very unreliable grand jury witness.
Guess you weren't around when the OAG was caught retroactively changing the dates of victim 9's abuse to give the appearance that it stopped before Corbett's investigation began. Par for the course with these guys.
Do you really think Victim 9 is legitimate? This guy claimed to have had lunch with Sandusky and Joe Paterno several times at Beaver Stadium. It was well known that Paterno and Sandusky did not like each other and did not socialize with each other at all outside of coaching and certainly did not socialize after Sandusky's retirement. Also, his lawsuit implies that Joe Paterno enabled Victim 9 abuse.
According to ESPN http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...iles-abuse-claim-vs-jerry-sandusky-penn-state
The lawsuit claims Sandusky's former boss, coach Joe Paterno, invited the boy and Sandusky to have lunch with him at Beaver Stadium and tour the stadium, despite the late coach "being alerted years earlier to Sandusky's sexual assault of young boys."
"Each time Sandusky and John Doe D encountered Paterno, Paterno greeted Sandusky, endorsing Sandusky's favored status with Penn State," the lawsuit stated.
Victim 9 is also the only accuser who alleges anal sex. Interesting because he came forward AFTER the infamous grand jury report was leaked.
Of this entire saga, there are two questions that have struck me that nobody seems to have any answers about: (1) what was Seasock, a specialist in the trauma of child sexual abuse, consulting on for Penn State during the time period you mentioned after his involvement in scuttling the 1998 investigation; and (2) what was the subject of the 10/13/1998 meeting between Ron Schreffler, Ralph Ralston, Steve Sloane, Ray Gricar, and Fran Ganter at the football building?
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I've been wondering about Ganter in all this, too. Well, doubt we'll learn anything. And the whole disaster is slowly coming to the end, finally.
After 2001 i agree, but there is absolutely no way 98 shouldn't have brought an indication which likely would have shut JS down 3 years earlier.
Your second question may answer your first. Seasock also "worked" with adult sex offenders. And his "work" with PSU started soon after the end of the '99 football season.
No, but I was around when Kane had to walk back her claim .
http://triblive.com/news/adminpage/6344362-74/sandusky-kane-investigation
I don't think Katy Kane lied, that time. I just think she was a moron. Her actual perjury would come later.
Pl;ease show me where there is a requirement to report. At the time, reporting it to the supervisor was acceptable, .
Inclined to say John Seasock's body of work at PSU added up to a grand total of something like $6,000. FWIW.
This is a straw man argument. No one's claimed that reporting to his supervisor wasn't one of MM's legal options.
It's your ridiculous assertion that he and Paterno are somehow indistinguishably equal parties that's being challenged.
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So where did I say that again? You really love to make things up. I'm interested to see what he says when and if the does testify again....big IF as who knows if that will even happen. Good to see you making things up again.
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I am not convinced of that. Considering the only man who claims to be the McQueary shower victim has claimed nothing happened that night, and had remained very good friends with Sandusky until well into adulthood. He did end up turning on Sandusky just before the trial(when a lawyer got to him promising a big paycheck) claiming he was molested on other occasions.
I think if the police were contacted, Sandusky would have produced the boy, the boy would have stated nothing happened, and Sandusky would have been cleared. Honestly Sandusky would likely be a free man today, because McQueary would have not had the opportunity to tell the exaggerated story of what he witnessed in 2001, since there would be a police report stating the victim was contacted and found not have to been molested. With no McQuery testimony, the prosecution may have been forced to drop the charges pertaining to Aaron Fisher before they leaked the GJ investigation to Sara Ganim, whose article and her contacting of Victim 6's mother enabled Victims 3-7 to flip on Sandusky and allow the arrest.
He also claims that he was told by Sandusky that a PSU administrator said they were having sex in the shower. If this guy is reliable he is saying that nothing happened yet an eye witness told PSU admin that he witnessed a sex act in the shower. That would back the conclusion that Curley and Schultz lied about what Mike told them. The issue here is what did PSU do with a claim of child sex abuse from Mike, it isn't necessarily what actually happened in the shower because they would not know that until an actual investigation had a chance to occur.
You can't have it both ways with the alleged V2.
I meant people who want the truth.
I highly doubt the defense would ever entertain calling them. They were charged with perjury for a reason. There's plenty of evidence to shred them on the stand.
In all likelihood they're going to be prosecution witnesses.
If McQueary calls the police on the spot then the kid is there, as well as Sandusky and the eye witness, to be spoken to by the police. Situation is resolved right there, one way or another.
They were. It's called prosecutorial misconduct.
I agree and I don't think they just took the plea and walk away now never to be heard from again. Maybe it was to put heat on GS, but I don't see how they take a plea deal and not testify for the state in GS's trial. I could be totally wrong there, but that certainly wouldn't add up in my book.
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