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BTN network defending targeting call for OSU

He's rounding back into form.
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I thought it was called wrong. 15 yard penalty, yes. Ejection, no.

Targeting is launching up into the guy. He just put his head down and the QB ducked.
 
It was targeting. Agree with the OP, the Big Ten network and all the lackey schmucks who work there and yes that includes Urban Cheat can go back in their hole. Get them the hell off the stage, you lost so take it like a man and stfu.

Here is the bad news, the useless, corrupt B10/14 conference will feel the Luckeyes have to be repaid thus everyone of their opponents gets jobbed next season. How many shxx show calls will go against us when we play them in HV?
 
can we actually discuss how in the past when Penn State has gotten screwed EVERYONE was always "that's part of the game and whining about it just makes you a petty bitch" and "you shouldn't let the outcome be affected by officials, take it out of their hands"

but now its ok....every fanbase bitches constantly about the refs and nobody bats an eye....AND the conference and the network actually make a fuss about officiating?

f'ing football will drive me nuts...shorten my lifespan....I love the game of football but all the auxillary stuff that goes with it any more is ruining it
 
One interesting point (at least to me), is that (a) no penalty was called on the field yet (b) someone decided the play needed to be reviewed for possible targeting. I would submit that similar plays happen about 20 times a game (e.g., watch Paris Ford in any Pitt game) in which no flag is thrown AND there is no review.
 
One interesting point (at least to me), is that (a) no penalty was called on the field yet (b) someone decided the play needed to be reviewed for possible targeting. I would submit that similar plays happen about 20 times a game (e.g., watch Paris Ford in any Pitt game) in which no flag is thrown AND there is no review.

Lawrence laying on the turf writhing around probably helped instigate the review (though it was likely Young’s hit on his neck that did most damage).
 
So, you tackle upright while leading with your shoulder? Okay. Is this targeting? Should be according to the definition.

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He didn’t hit him with the crown of his helmet, he moved his head to the side. So no targeting on this one. jmho
 
I despise OSU! But I thought it was a BS call. He did not lead with his head. He was attempting to wrap tackle with his a head about chest level of QB. The QB squatted which caused the head to head.

Even worse was the fumble recovery for a TD that was over turned. The WR took 3-5 steps with complete control before dropping the ball. No way should of that been overturned.
 
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It's a textbook tackle and BS call. Enjoy.

if you want football to survive in the long term, it absolutely needs to be enforced as it was called. Otherwise, the song will become “mama don’t let your boys grow up to be football players.”
 
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It's a textbook tackle and BS call. Enjoy.
Wrong. There are two targeting rules in the NCAA rule book. Both will get you ejected and here's the one Wade violated:

ARTICLE 3. No player shall target and make forcible contact against an opponent with the crown of his helmet.

Note that the point of contact on the opponent's body doesn't matter.

There's a separate targeting rule againt hitting the head or neck of a defenseless player which doesn't require leading with the crown of the helmet:

ARTICLE 4. No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See Note 2 below) with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder.

If you think the rules suck, that's a different question. Wade ducked his head and led with the crown. It was targeting whether he hit Lawrence on the head or anywhere else his body. Good call and good ejection.
 
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That was textbook targetting. The defender lowered his head and made helmet to helmet contact with the QB with the crown of his helmet. Anyone who thinks that was a good tackle doesn't understand what a good tackle is. Any coach that teaches you to lead with your crown is an idiot, as is anyone that thinks it's okay to do so.
 
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Lots of people disagree with the call - not just Buckeye fans. Neary everyone here loves it.
All good.
I like it because we've been on the receiving end of numerous horrible officiating calls at the hands of the B1G officials when it comes to osu. My new years wish is that every one of Ohio states scoring plays next year gets overturned by horribly bad video review.
 
Wrong. There are two targeting rules in the NCAA rule book. Both will get you ejected and here's the one Ward violated:

ARTICLE 3. No player shall target and make forcible contact against an opponent with the crown of his helmet.

Note that the point of contact on the opponent's body doesn't matter.

There's a separate targeting rule againt hitting the head or neck of a defenseless player which doesn't require leading with the crown of the helmet:

ARTICLE 4. No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See Note 2 below) with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder.

If you think the rules suck, that's a different question. Ward ducked his head and led with the crown. It was targeting whether he hit Lawrence on the head or anywhere else his body. Good call and good ejection.

Define ‘target.’
 
Define ‘target.’
How about you just read the NCAA rules for yourself instead?

I'll even make it easy for you. Click on this link:

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/FR19.pdf

and you'll find what you're looking for on page FR-88, even though I already copied and pasted for you the rule Wade violated.

Read the fourth bullet point under Note 1 carefully, especially the first five words, then watch the Wade hit again:
You'll see that the first five words of that fourth bullet point provide the definition you want and more importantly describe exactly what Wade did on that play.
 
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Turned on the BTN in the background this morning to get some PSU highlights. They teased it a couple of times, but have yet to see an actual highlight or acknowledgement that someone from the Big14 besides OSU played yesterday. Instead, they keep cutting to discussions about how OSU was jobbed last night. Amazing to me, to a man (mind you 90% OSU grads) they defend the OSU guy called for targeting. It was a quintessential targeting call, he lowered his head and led with the crown of the helmet. I have heard that the OSU playerd "did not have intent," the rule is too harsh and shoule be reduced to a 2 minute or up to one-half, etc etc. Not one mention that the guy should have kept his head up, and then there would have been no targeting call. Not once have I heard any of this discussion about any other targeting call over the years.
Big14, get over it. No matter how many times you get caught paying your players and skirting the rules, OSU still cannot beat a southern team in bowl games (except Arkansas.)
Actually, OSU beat Alabama in the semis and then won the national title in 2014. Since its inception, what other northern school has really been in the CFP?
 
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Because Lawrence crouched and leaned into the hit with his upper body when Wade got close. If Lawrence stays upright he hits him in his chest.
It’s not about where Lawrence was hit. It’s about what Wade hit with - the crown of his helmet. This has been a foul for like 80 years - used to be called spearing. The new targeting added the hit to the head with anything on a defenseless player, but that’s a different thing.
 
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How about you just read the NCAA rules for yourself instead?

I'll even make it easy for you. Click on this link:

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/FR19.pdf

and you'll find what you're looking for on page FR-88, even though I already copied and pasted for you the rule Wade violated.

Read the fourth bullet point under Note 1 carefully, especially the first five words, then watch the Wade hit again:
You'll see that the first five words of that fourth bullet point provide the definition you want and more importantly describe exactly what Wade did on that play.

Not only all that, but that exact hit has ALWAYS been illegal and a Personal Foul variety. Before being incorporated within the new, expanded "Targetting" Rule, it was penalized as "Spearing" and considered a dirty play. The poster has no freaking clue what he's talking about in regards to the rulebook and this isn't the first time he's been determined to prove it beyond any doubt.
 
Not only all that, but that exact hit has ALWAYS been illegal and a Personal Foul variety. Before being incorporated within the new, expanded "Targetting" Rule, it was penalized as "Spearing" and considered a dirty play. The poster has no freaking clue what he's talking about in regards to the rulebook and this isn't the first time he's been determined to prove it beyond any doubt.
I always wondered what became of the spearing penalty. When I was a kid it was mostly called when the ball carrier was on the way down or already on the ground and somebody dove or piled on helmet first. Seems like the league started calling it an unnecessary roughness personal foul at some point.
 
I always wondered what became of the spearing penalty. When I was a kid it was mostly called when the ball carrier was on the way down or already on the ground and somebody dove or piled on helmet first. Seems like the league started calling it an unnecessary roughness personal foul at some point.
And, when I was a 17-year old kid, I did just what you’re describing. I received a 15-yard penalty and was escorted to the sideline by the official. I was NOT permitted a return to the game.

OL
 
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Actually, OSU beat Alabama in the semis and then won the national title in 2014. Since its inception, what other northern school has really been in the CFP?

What do you mean by "really been in the CFP"? Anyway, Washington, Oregon, Michigan State, and Notre Dame have been there from the north. You can decide if it was real or not.
 
Been in it multiple times. How did those teams do?

You asked what other northern teams have "really" been the the CFP. Washington, Michigan State, and Notre Dame have all been there. Also Oregon which I failed to list in my original post. All four were really there. That was your question. Now you're adding more qualifiers such as multiple appearances and whether or not they won. But keep on moving those goal posts.

And enjoy watching the championship game on television.
 
About the same as Ohio State's 2 complete BCS humiliations at the hands of Florida and LSU and a CFP shutout thrashing from Clemson.
OSU has 2 NC's since 2000. The top southern schools are at another level. Actually, I would live to see PSU play Alabama or Clemson in the NC game next year and dominate.
 
You asked what other northern teams have "really" been the the CFP. Washington, Michigan State, and Notre Dame have all been there. Also Oregon which I failed to list in my original post. All four were really there. That was your question. Now you're adding more qualifiers such as multiple appearances and whether or not they won. But keep on moving those goal posts.

And enjoy watching the championship game on television.
Yes, some have made 1 appearance and most got destroyed. They are not going to put 4 southern teams in. The top team this year is LSU. They beat Clemson by 10 or more. JMO. I will enjoy it, I won't be nervous.
 
Not only all that, but that exact hit has ALWAYS been illegal and a Personal Foul variety. Before being incorporated within the new, expanded "Targetting" Rule, it was penalized as "Spearing" and considered a dirty play. The poster has no freaking clue what he's talking about in regards to the rulebook and this isn't the first time he's been determined to prove it beyond any doubt.

If not for replay that call wouldn’t have been made since no penalty flag was thrown. Replay for targeting has only been around since 2016. So, how do all refs on the field miss a hit so obviously illegal and dirty?
 
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