Interestingly, both teams are 20-12, 11-10. Devil is in the details (NET, etc,), I guess.
BTT vs ILL
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The two being over UCLA and Texas, away from home, will carry a lot of weight (and the fact they have one total loss outside of Q1). They’ve got a very good resume.
I was the only one not freaking out. They won a game they needed to. The refs were irrelevant as officiating almost always is.
I understand but same record, 6 quad 1 wins vs 2 quad 1 wins, and 3-0 head to head seems pretty clear to me.
Our quad 1 wins are lower level ones…not all of them are created equal, and they’ve got those two huge ones (plus nothing close to a bad loss).
well now we are safely in the tournament whatever happens tomorrow
probably a 10 or 11 seed
probably a 10 or 11 seed
Pickett's bad night:
12 pts, 8 rebounds, 8 assists
Lundy: 17, 10, 2
Wynter: 18, 5, 1
Funk: 20, 1, 2
Much better job keeping ILL offensive rebounds to a minimum in 2nd half. Dread 4 rebounds. Njie & Henn only had 1 each.
PSU should have pulled away but 9 missed FTs kept ILL in the game. Fortunately they missed some too.
12 pts, 8 rebounds, 8 assists
Lundy: 17, 10, 2
Wynter: 18, 5, 1
Funk: 20, 1, 2
Much better job keeping ILL offensive rebounds to a minimum in 2nd half. Dread 4 rebounds. Njie & Henn only had 1 each.
PSU should have pulled away but 9 missed FTs kept ILL in the game. Fortunately they missed some too.
I went and read the Illinois board….they were even saying PSU was getting screwed all game. When the message board posters of the other team see it, you know it’s bad.
And that’s only one piece of the puzzle. Especially when there is a lot of info to gather behind the “6” and the “2”.
They are at worst a 2 seed, and possibly a 1…that win carries a lot of weight regardless of what you think about their chances.
Some keys to the game…
10 turnovers, when I believe we were at 8 early in the second half…really handled the pressure down the stretch.
22 free throws…for all of the complaints on the refs (I thought they had a solid game in a very tough one to officiate), we got to the line more than we have in several months
10 offensive rebounds (vs 11 for Illinois)…after the way it started, never expected us to hold our own like we did
10 turnovers, when I believe we were at 8 early in the second half…really handled the pressure down the stretch.
22 free throws…for all of the complaints on the refs (I thought they had a solid game in a very tough one to officiate), we got to the line more than we have in several months
10 offensive rebounds (vs 11 for Illinois)…after the way it started, never expected us to hold our own like we did
You weren’t freaking out because you didn’t care who won
The only benefit of Penn State losing today would have been proving someone wrong--much happier they won.
The main downfall of this system they use is putting too much emphasis on one or two games…especially in the case when one of those wins comes over a team that plays in a terrible conference.
We were 6-12 in free throws the last 1:40, that is how Illinois kept it within range. That and they bombed in a couple 3s including a garbage one with one tenth of a second left after it went through the net. That is what made the score closer than it really was. I had to follow the game on my phone and the lousy ESPN Gamecast is so maddening. We make both free throws to go up 6 with 3 seconds left, next thing it shows is Illinois made a 3 to cut the lead to 3 and still 3 seconds left! I thought the game would never end, the last 1 minute and 45 seconds must have taken 20 minutes to play.
All in all a GREAT win for PSU! Now we are in the Dance! I hope out of the play-in game. This team is playing well in crunch time as we blitzed Illinois with a 14-3 run from about the 6 minutes and change mark to the minute and half mark.
When we get solid contributions beyond Pickett as we did today we are a tough out for anyone. Pickett is such a great ball distributor that if the other starters can capitalize and convert off the Pickett feed then we are rolling.
Northwestern up next, they are rested but not sure that matters much. Now we are playing to improve our seeding!
All in all a GREAT win for PSU! Now we are in the Dance! I hope out of the play-in game. This team is playing well in crunch time as we blitzed Illinois with a 14-3 run from about the 6 minutes and change mark to the minute and half mark.
When we get solid contributions beyond Pickett as we did today we are a tough out for anyone. Pickett is such a great ball distributor that if the other starters can capitalize and convert off the Pickett feed then we are rolling.
Northwestern up next, they are rested but not sure that matters much. Now we are playing to improve our seeding!
Have you ever played or coached a minute of basketball? Apparently not. Officiating is always relevant. How they’re calling the game determines how you play the game and how you coach the game.
It is not a missed call…it is deliberate…you will know for sure when there are video reviews…the call is obviously in favor for Penn State - yet the final call still goes against us. Been going on in all sports since 1993.
It ain’t rocket science ladies and gentlemen…there are literally dozens of brazen examples since joining the Big10…and it is not stopping…go back and watch the game against Indiana a few years back when PSU was called for a foul on a a PSU breakaway where Indiana should have received a flagrant foul. ESPN did a 30 minute show about how unbelievably bad that call was.
In football, even clear evidence ON REPLAY still results in calls against us at the most critical moments.
Right and you adapt/adjust...failure to do so is on the players and coaches. You realize you're proving my point.
You've also yet to acknowledge you were wrong when you said I was the only one that mentioned a conspiracy but why would you ever own something.
Win tonight an I would hope PSu can get to a 10 seed. Playing a 7 and then a 2 is a path I think they can work with.
We’re a 10 in the first two brackets I’ve seen this morning.
Id be great with a non-Dayton 11 too…avoid Dayton, and ideally avoid an 8/9 slot.
Pickett was the key again. Was very close, he was struggling….his shots were all short….including FTs. Five or six minutes left he cranks it up a notch and took over the game. Like he has done so many times. The guy is a true warrior. If he doesn’t make the NBA he should join the NFL as a middle linebacker as he has the size, great speed and footwork, and most of all the middle linebacker mentality.
I thought you said the refs were almost always irrelevant? then why would you need to adapt/adjust if they are almost always irrelevant? Maybe just maybe they do influence the outcome of games once in a while - ya think?
I don't think so. They play hard and are pretty physical. Cronin's coaching style.
Yeah I wouldn't go WAY overrated, maybe some though. I do think the toughness factor makes them win a lot more in the PAC but is negated some against Big and SEC teams if they have to play them
UCLA would likely be favored over all but one team in the country if they played them on a neutral court today.
Nothing against Illinois per se, but their last Q1 win was in early Dec against Texas. For comparison's sake against them, who are widely regarded to walk to a 8/9 game, we are hot at the end of the year and championship week. This used to mean something to the committee. Guess not anymore especially when you're us.
They have lost Jaylen Clark, Pac 12 defensive player of the year. That hurts and not sure they can overcome it. They have Jacquez Jr. and Tyger Campbell which is a great duo and two of the best players in the country as well as other talent. Cronin is an excellent coach. They will do some damage in the tournament.
I guess because Texas and UCLA are so highly ranked that the Quad 1 wins they have vs both of them counts like 3 quad 1 wins for them or whatever. I agree, we beat them 3 times and have the same record. If this was football we would be higher ranked than them.
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