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Cassar vs Rasheed

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To be clear...I didn't like the title above when typing it.

I also don't agree with the tone/content of some of the posts in other threads...so I started a new one.

I do get the "what-have-you-done-for-me-lately" mentality, and that Shak is a hot commodity right now after winning the Scuffle, and being dominant (correct sp., for dunk) while doing so. Reading between the lines, seems we're being a little hasty if any of you are saying or thinking Shak's-the-man. Just last week, prior to the Scuffle, Cassar was the hot commodity, and he was the man. Just not the way my brain works, that's all.

My insight into this internal competition is limited, though by watching and listening to all the coaches for 9 years now, publicly and privately, my spidey senses, imo, can't be too far off. It's still an open weight, and far from settled as I see it.

Please don't get me wrong. Both guys, Cutch too if healthy, would be outstanding reps at NCAA's, based on what we know now, and whoever goes will have parts of the other two with him when he competes, simply because steel-sharpens-steel. Those that don't go get the satisfaction of contributing to their team mates success, though it's still incredible disappointing too. Even the coaches have stated it's the hardest part of their job...telling a kid that's worked so hard that they won't be wrestling in post-season tournaments.

I'm going to sit back and watch the process unfold. Two months of brutal competitions left. Who separates themselves? As a fan, I suggest being grateful for the talent at 197, and enjoy the rest of the season. For me, right now, after watching both guys, we can't go wrong with either one. It'll come down to who the coaches believe can score the most points...easy to say, not always easy to predict.

So...best of luck to both guys the rest of the way...here's to good health, and inspired wrestling from everyone, all the way through to the end of NCAA's.
 
I am looking forward to these two slush-FUNd kids;)
 
I agree with you Roar. While it is starting to appear that Rasheed may be capable of putting together a run or at least scoring a bunch of bonus at nationals, I've seen too many times where the backup was the popular option only until he got the starting job and lost a match or three. Just not enough there for the average fan to gauge by yet in my opinion, though I also agree that PSU is going to be fine with any of the 3 options at 197 this year.
 
Agree with Roar. While many are ready to hand the starting job to Shakur after this weekend, in my mind it just threw his hat back in the ring for the job. TBD probably in about a month or so. Cutch, unfortunately, may not have much of a shot depending on the severity of his injury, so we probably have two guys vying for 197 right now.

I think Rasheed has earned the next couple duals and then we will see where we go from there.
 
From my perspective, Cassar staying healthy this year coming off two shoulder surgeries would be a major win for him, regardless of whether he is in the lineup at the end of the season. I think he is still getting back to his best and will be for a little longer. Shakur is showing that cutting a lot of weight was really not good for him.

Both guys are really good and a great answer for the 197 question, although Shaker has more bonus point potential.

As I have posted elsewhere, I don't think we've seen a healthy, 100% Matt McC since the fall of 2015 at the NLO. He's had terrible luck with injuries.

But it is nice to have real depth at a weight class.
 
1) Now that we had the great Lemon Pie Face turn of 2018, i was hoping to see Roar go full heal for a bit. Disssapointed!

2) agree that Rasheed got his hat back in the ring from a fans perspective, but Im guessing the coaches always knew what they had. the staff has shown the propensity to go with the guy that could score more points overall not just win more matches at nationals. So for me it will be interesting if Sheed and Raptor share matches how they react to the battle within. Rasheed to his credit already had this drama in his life before, so he should handle it well I suspect. Not that I think Raptor will handle it badly emotionally or anything like that. Will he force more action on the mat to put more points on the board. If rasheed continues to just wrench guys and raptor continues to win by 2-3 points, that says something to me.

3) it was discussed in the one video about guys scouting rasheed and preventing the cross face cradle. well people knew what ER was going to do and didnt stop it. not comparing the two guys, just the use of the technique. If he continues to have success with it, that says something. If guys start to defend it, his reaction to that will be interesting to it watch too.

4) If the Cutch injury is serious and compounded with the #freethesheed and #releasetheraptor battle on center stage does he just go full rehab for baseball?

5) this is evidence of how the bookend weights are so hard to recruit vs the middle 8 weights. 1 guy is at natural weight at 97, one is clearly wrestling up at 97 and the other is growing into it. Yet, we cant mine any points out of 3 young guys at 125 that are currently known to the public to be competing for the spot.

6) I wonder if we can lobby the staff to allow LP to pick the pictures for the Rasheed/Cassar calendar coming out? Seems he might have a jump on the photographer.
 
I don't think the Scuffle means it has to be Rasheed. I think he has certainly earned the right to split duals with Cassar until a decision can be made at a later date.
 
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my opinion means nothing and won't influence the decision maker one bit. However, I am wondering if they have ever wrestled each other - wrestle offs, etc.? Anyone know?
 
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Assuming you meant "heel"...

heel: an inconsiderate or untrustworthy person

Seriously?? :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):)

If I said everything I meant or meant everything I said I would find something else to entertain me ;):mad::):eek::D:oops:

PS- i need access to the emojis that guy on HR has. his are truely creative.
 
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For reference, here are the remaining duals opponents:
1/12 - #12 Beazley, MI (9-2, NCAA 8th) or Striggow (11-6)
1/14 - Okaiye, MSU (0-4) or May (6-11)
1/19 - Brunner, PU (15-5, NCAA qualifier)
1/21 - Capello, MD (1-10) or Whisler (14-14 last year)
1/26 - Steveson, MN (3-7)
1/28 - Mulligan, RU (9-6)
2/3 - #1 Moore, OSU (12-0, NCAA 3rd)
2/9 - #8 Wilcke, IA (12-0, NCAA R12)
2/18 - Ariola, Buff (6-5) -- Rasheed pinned him 1:22 at Clarion Open

So the remaining schedule has 3 more possible AAs (Moore, Beazley, Wilcke) and 2 more likely qualifiers (Brunner, Mulligan).
 
If I said everything I meant or meant everything I said I would find something else to entertain me ;):mad::):eek::D:oops:

PS- i need access to the emojis that guy on HR has. his are truely creative.
Ahhhh...kwood. His stuff is awesome indeed. It's all available on the interwebs...simple searches too, but time consuming.
 
Nice pic of Shakur Rasheed, borrowed from Foley's Mailbag

2018shakurrasheed740a.jpg
 
Wasn't Gingrich a bigger bonus threat than Lawson?

Are you asking because you know the answer? I would have to go back and look at the stats, but from memory I think they were equal or slightly slanted to lawson. Maybe not???
 
Are you asking because you know the answer? I would have to go back and look at the stats, but from memory I think they were equal or slightly slanted to lawson. Maybe not???

No, just going off my shitty memory. I don't know for sure. Damn you, wrestlestat for not existing then.
 
We all owe Cutch a big helping of gratitude, but I don't see how Cael can send him out at the Big Championships. Two tourneys this year, two injury defaults. His back is just too balky to take the chance.
 
my opinion means nothing and won't influence the decision maker one bit. However, I am wondering if they have ever wrestled each other - wrestle offs, etc.? Anyone know?

I don't know, but I believe it's been reported that they have previously wrestled in wrestle-offs and that Cassar may have gotten the better of Rasheed. I'm happy with either one (or with Cutch), but I'd argue that this may be one of those times that you should throw out the wrestle-off because of familiarity and start looking at results against common opponents or even just results against other opponents (since the data base of common opponents is going to be relatively small).
 
No, just going off my shitty memory. I don't know for sure. Damn you, wrestlestat for not existing then.

Based on my admittedly crappy memory, I believe that most fans thought Lawson had more potential for scoring bonus, though I don't know if the stats of common opponents would bear that out.
 
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In a year where it seems like every point will be vital at NCAAs makes this quite the dilemma. Usually I would just trust the eyeball test and let it fly with Sheed. But my gut says I should trust in AC more than I do. Truly is a question Cael and co. should ponder for a few more weeks.
 
I don't know, but I believe it's been reported that they have previously wrestled in wrestle-offs and that Cassar may have gotten the better of Rasheed. I'm happy with either one (or with Cutch), but I'd argue that this may be one of those times that you should throw out the wrestle-off because of familiarity and start looking at results against common opponents or even just results against other opponents (since the data base of common opponents is going to be relatively small).

I have seen it stated on message boards that they went, but no public confirmation of the wrestle off.

That said on FOS, a posters claims to have emailed casey after his post scuffle email and Casey responded to this person. This person then posted that casey said they didnt wrestle off due to rasheed nursing an injury when wrestle offs were occurring.

another poster there said JB on a broadcast mentioned that they hadnt either.

take from that what you will.
 
We all owe Cutch a big helping of gratitude, but I don't see how Cael can send him out at the Big Championships. Two tourneys this year, two injury defaults. His back is just too balky to take the chance.
Cortez, Cutch, English, Cassar, Yanovich, A. Alton, D. Alton, Nevills, Rasheed, Brill, Lawson, Ruggear, Wright, Pataky, Anspach, and many other PSU guys of the recent past have faced significant injuries.

It is a brutal sport, on par with football (according to NCAA stats), for its injury rate. Yet each and every one of these, and others, left the program better men than when they started. True.
 
I have seen it stated on message boards that they went, but no public confirmation of the wrestle off.

That said on FOS, a posters claims to have emailed casey after his post scuffle email and Casey responded to this person. This person then posted that casey said they didnt wrestle off due to rasheed nursing an injury when wrestle offs were occurring.

another poster there said JB on a broadcast mentioned that they hadnt either.

take from that what you will.
Wait, the coaches reply to emails?

The sound we're hearing is Cael's inbox suddenly flooded by Spyker.
 
I have seen it stated on message boards that they went, but no public confirmation of the wrestle off.

That said on FOS, a posters claims to have emailed casey after his post scuffle email and Casey responded to this person. This person then posted that casey said they didnt wrestle off due to rasheed nursing an injury when wrestle offs were occurring.

another poster there said JB on a broadcast mentioned that they hadnt either.

take from that what you will.[/QUOTE

Interesting. Curious to hear what the supposed injury was and if he's thought to be at 100% now. He sure looked pretty good at the Scuffle. ;)

I have seen it stated on message boards that they went, but no public confirmation of the wrestle off.

That said on FOS, a posters claims to have emailed casey after his post scuffle email and Casey responded to this person. This person then posted that casey said they didnt wrestle off due to rasheed nursing an injury when wrestle offs were occurring.

another poster there said JB on a broadcast mentioned that they hadnt either.

take from that what you will.

Interesting, makes sense I suppose. I'm curious what the injury was and if Rasheed is thought to be 100%. He sure looked pretty good at the Scuffle. ;)
 
Geno. Morelli.
Morelli was the right choice at 165. Corey was cutting too much weight his freshman year and it showed. At 174 i thought he had good track to take the spot and then he got hurt and we saw what happened after.

Regarding any posters who’ve brought up scouting, The cradle has been his go to his entire career he didn’t just come out the gate he’s been seen before. I’m almost positive coaches this weekend knew it was coming but their guys got stuck anyway. Trust he won’t hit it in everybody but he’ll still get it on a lot of opponents and he’ll still be able to beat guys without it as well. Also as an tOSU fan while i don’t see him beating Moore i would advise Kollin not to go underneath him if i had any say about it.
 
Not to sound like the morality police here, but it’s best not to talk publicly about your private conversations with others without their consent - whether they are PSU Coaches or not - unless you want to be labeled as the guy who ruined it for everyone else.

As for the 3-way dilemma, we’ll likely see the two uninjured fellas swap duties thru out the season and the decision doesn’t need to be made until the end, so why do it now? Patience. No doubt some great options for this team tho!
 
Morelli was the right choice at 165. Corey was cutting too much weight his freshman year and it showed. At 174 i thought he had good track to take the spot and then he got hurt and we saw what happened after.

Regarding any posters who’ve brought up scouting, The cradle has been his go to his entire career he didn’t just come out the gate he’s been seen before. I’m almost positive coaches this weekend knew it was coming but their guys got stuck anyway. Trust he won’t hit it in everybody but he’ll still get it on a lot of opponents and he’ll still be able to beat guys without it as well. Also as an tOSU fan while i don’t see him beating Moore i would advise Kollin not to go underneath him if i had any day about it.
Fair and balanced. Said it before, I'll say it again...not that I'm in a position to ever stop you, post more!! I love your honest, and respectful ways.

Btw, for perspective...what's the "94" represent? Age (just kidding)? Birth year? Graduation year? No need to answer if you don't want to.
 
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From my perspective, Cassar staying healthy this year coming off two shoulder surgeries would be a major win for him, regardless of whether he is in the lineup at the end of the season. I think he is still getting back to his best and will be for a little longer. Shakur is showing that cutting a lot of weight was really not good for him.

Both guys are really good and a great answer for the 197 question, although Shaker has more bonus point potential.

As I have posted elsewhere, I don't think we've seen a healthy, 100% Matt McC since the fall of 2015 at the NLO. He's had terrible luck with injuries.

But it is nice to have real depth at a weight class.
You know, just thinking, shoulder injuries seem to have really poor recovery rates in our sport - as in career debilitating. Back injuries too. Knees, ankles, wrists, elbows on the other hand tend to be more of a one season kind of deal. Any PT guys on here have any data that you can educate us with?
 
This is truly a tough decision I don't envy Cael having to make, although there remains plenty of time for this play out. All three - Cutch, Raptor and Rasheed have suffered and worked through very tough injuries and I personally can't favor one over the other. Rasheed did surprise me at the Scuffle. Our edge at nationals has consistently been bonus points and if Shakur continues to produce them, he would seem to have the edge. Ohio State will be tough this year; every bonus point will be critical to win.

Here is a scenario I personally dread. Shakur wins the 197 slot to wrestle at the B1G and national tournaments. Do we suffer through another off season where a solid Penn State wrestler/starter leaves for his home state university to join 'you know who' in order to be assured of starting?!?
 
I saw Casey last night (one of his boys was busy decking his opponent for State College Jr High). I didn't ask him about this though--because these guys deserve to be left alone from time to time.
 
I saw Casey last night (one of his boys was busy decking his opponent for State College Jr High). I didn't ask him about this though--because these guys deserve to be left alone from time to time.
Is State College High about to be a wrestling power with coaches' kids through the lineup?
 
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Fair and balanced. Said it before, I'll say it again...not that I'm in a position to ever stop you, post more!! I love your honest, and respectful ways.

Btw, for perspective...what's the "94" represent? Age (just kidding)? Birth year? Graduation year? No need to answer if you don't want to.
Oh it’s definitely my age ;) :rolleyes: In all seriousness it is my birth year
 
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