Cenzo Joseph
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Wow, same thing at the NLO. To bad for him. He's missing opportunities to gain valuable experience. He probably needs to bump to 65 now and prepare to compete for that spot next year. Thanks for answering.
No weight is not the issue...Cael made him sit for not making weight at the NLO....
So since he didn't make weight at the NLO Cael didn't allow him to wrestle at the Scuffle? If true, can't say I agree with that unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. And if true, can't question Cael that's for sure...
He was entered in the tournament at 157 that statement makes no sense the NLO was about a month ago
In the Scuffle-Day 1 thread in this Wrestling Room forum member Brian LB-U posted at 10:53AM that Joseph didn't make weight and that Cortez had a skin issue. That's what I based my entry on.
If this is all you have to go on, why do you state the info as absolute fact?
Here is a fact - The official PSU website (gopsusports.com) recently had Joseph listed as one of 18 PSU wrestlers who was going to compete in the Scuffle. It turns out that two of the 18 (Joseph and Cortez) didn't make it, for very different reasons.
BTW, I have a nice bridge for sale ...
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Then Cael didn't "make him sit"...he couldn't wrestle because he didn't make weight. I'm sure it's what you meant to say. None the less, he seems to be having trouble making 57...
I am a huge fan of VJ but I have to admit I am VERY concerned about his future now that he has "Missed" weight at 2 very important tourney's for Redshirts!!! I have only 4 possibilities in my mind
1. Cael thinks he should be fine to make 157 and he does not have the will power to do it
2. 157 is a tough cut for him and he will have to wrestle 165 next season which means the thought of Nolf moving up and filling out his frame in the next few seasons can't happen or VJ sits the Pine
3. VJ is hurt
4. He broke some team rules and we are not getting the full story
Maybe I am missing some options but no matter which thing is happening it concerns me...After watching him DESTROY Stroker at Dapper Dan I was very excited to watch him this redshirt campaign..as it stands... I doubt I will get to watch him wrestle at all this year.
1. Cael thinks he should be fine to make 157 and he does not have the will power to do it
2. 157 is a tough cut for him and he will have to wrestle 165 next season which means the thought of Nolf moving up and filling out his frame in the next few seasons can't happen or VJ sits the Pine
3. VJ is hurt
4. He broke some team rules and we are not getting the full story
Maybe I am missing some options but no matter which thing is happening it concerns me...After watching him DESTROY Stroker at Dapper Dan I was very excited to watch him this redshirt campaign..as it stands... I doubt I will get to watch him wrestle at all this year.
Solid points...whatever it is its concerning. He's getting zero mat time outside of the room. I was excited to see him perform at the scuffle. He's definitely a talent. Like you said he smashed Stroker but he also put it on Kemerer too last year. Kemerer is looking great for the Hawks so far this year in open tourney's. If he does go 65 then Nolf has to stay at 57. If Nolf bumps up then Cenzo will have nowhere to go. I'm sure Cael is very disappointed that he's missed weight twice. But what do you do?
Spyker, some friendly advice: you'd do well to either ask a few more questions, or write a little more clearly, or both.
Because it makes zero sense that Cael would have Cenzo register for the Scuffle, travel there on his own expense (since he's shirting), and then only after arriving punish him at the Scuffle for missing weight at the NLO over a month earlier.
Perhaps missing weight at the NLO was a contributing factor -- 2nd strike -- but no way it was THE reason.
I believe he wrestled Kem two years ago and it went into OT in the state finals. You might be thinking of Kaleb Young.
There may be some truth to #1 or #2 (or both), but I think you're getting needlessly creative with #3 and #4. There is zero evidence to support the last two "possibilities".
When do teams ever give evidence for #3 or 4 unless they are forced or it leaks out? But I don't want to insinuate 3 or 4 as fact just an option.......Serious Question...did Cael come out and say why Vj did not wrestle in the Scuffle?
If he did, then I am in the wrong,..... If he did not, Why should we not be looking at all the options?
If he did, then I am in the wrong,..... If he did not, Why should we not be looking at all the options?
He missed weight, it happens. It's a doable cut for him and he needs to either fix his diet or work harder to cut. Really that simple and I imagine he'll figure it out
Why? Let the kid reach his natural weight and win the position in the room. I'm sure he has no weight restrictions in the room and may be facing better competition than in opens.
You're not "wrong" per se, it's just that there is zero evidence to support that Joseph is injured or is being disciplined. Joseph apparently traveled to the Scuffle (on his own dime). If the staff really was not going to allow Joseph to wrestle at the Scuffle (either for injury or discipline reasons), you really think they would want him to travel and spend his own money to attend? That doesn't fly.
And there are all other sorts of unsubstantiated reasons we could come up with. Maybe Joseph isn't interested in wrestling any more. Maybe he is in love. Maybe there is a family crisis. Etc, etc. It's a silly and pointless exercise.
To compare breaking a team rule, to he fell in love is utterly ridiculous..lol Listen, I remember going to tourney's in college and getting there the night before...I even remember one of my teammates not getting back for curfew.....He did not wrestle!!!
What sucks is I don't think 3 or 4 are the facts because as you say there is no evidence...however don't dismiss it as a possibility when we get no "factual" information from the team.
Also, This is a board on the internet...why can't we talk all the possibilities if the team is not going to release the true statement??? What sucks is I only put 3 and 4 as "POSIBILITES" not factual statement I need to defend....lol
As I reread this all, we are actually not far apart. Next time just say I really don't think it is 3 or 4 as there is no evidence..perfectly legitimate and perfectly correct..but if the team does not "officially" say why the highest ranked recruit is not competing for the 2nd straight tourney then how can you dismiss as if ridiculous...3 or 4?
What sucks is I don't think 3 or 4 are the facts because as you say there is no evidence...however don't dismiss it as a possibility when we get no "factual" information from the team.
Also, This is a board on the internet...why can't we talk all the possibilities if the team is not going to release the true statement??? What sucks is I only put 3 and 4 as "POSIBILITES" not factual statement I need to defend....lol
As I reread this all, we are actually not far apart. Next time just say I really don't think it is 3 or 4 as there is no evidence..perfectly legitimate and perfectly correct..but if the team does not "officially" say why the highest ranked recruit is not competing for the 2nd straight tourney then how can you dismiss as if ridiculous...3 or 4?
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The falling in love thing is ridiculous, I agree. It's also ridiculous IMO to suggest that the kid is being disciplined or has broken a team rule when there is ZERO direct evidence (or even rumors) to support this.
Sometimes a spade is really just a spade. We have reports that Joseph failed to make weight. It happens, and is not exactly a super rare event. Without any evidence to the contrary, I'm inclined to believe the reports and not create any other, unsubstantiated speculation.
But, hey, it's a free country. You can talk all the possibilities you want. And I can point out that they may be ridiculous if I choose to, though I am growing weary of the discussion.
Sometimes a spade is really just a spade. We have reports that Joseph failed to make weight. It happens, and is not exactly a super rare event. Without any evidence to the contrary, I'm inclined to believe the reports and not create any other, unsubstantiated speculation.
But, hey, it's a free country. You can talk all the possibilities you want. And I can point out that they may be ridiculous if I choose to, though I am growing weary of the discussion.
I don't know but i would be pissed if i was Cael. Cenzo should be making 157 pretty easy....If this is all you have to go on, why do you state the info as absolute fact?
Here is a fact - The official PSU website (gopsusports.com) recently had Joseph listed as one of 18 PSU wrestlers who was going to compete in the Scuffle. It turns out that two of the 18 (Joseph and Cortez) didn't make it, for very different reasons.
BTW, I have a nice bridge for sale ...
I don't really know anything about cutting weight, but I suspect it is easier for some people than for others. Has Joseph ever needed to cut weight before? Maybe he's going through a bit of a growth spurt. Could be lots of factors at play here. Just sayin'.
Because he AND Nolf is better than he OR Nolf and given his height and build 157 is a cut he should be able to make fairly easily. Was comfortably at 152 last year and doesn't look to have shot up that much.
Please define "natural weight." Because the only definition that makes sense is their walking around weight -- which no non-heavyweight on the planet wrestles at, and in which case Cenzo is probably battling Nickal.
If you listen to the interview with Cael right before the SS started HE SAYS Cenzo didn't make weight. All other theories are off base.
P.S. I've never known a coach who was not upset when a wrestler didn't make weight regardless of the situation. I only didn't make weight one time (for a scrimmage) in 16 years of wrestling and my coach was PISSED beyond belief.
Relax...it's the freshman blues. A few other well known freshman had trouble making weight as well. Being on your own, away from a structured environment can give 19 year old kids trouble. He'll either adjust or he won't...I'm guessing he will. Also, coaches tend to have a hands off approach to freshman...especially studs. Many think they are very bad ass coming into college that it's easier to let them trip over their own dicks and learn quickly to keep their eyes open and mouth shut. Maybe Cael is taking this approach if it applies.
Man, wrestlers routinely trip over themselves? Now I know why I took up other sports ...
You can correct someone else. It was Spyker who said "made him sit", not me.
All I said was he didn't make weight. I said what I meant to say.
Guys, as I posted at the NLO which I was there to hear other wrestlers and coaches confirmed Cenzo didn't make weight, this is a FACT. I was not at the Scuffel but some of those same wrestlers and coaches confirmed Cenzo failed to make weight again. Dimore had the same issue at 141 but unlike Cenzo, Dimore chose to move up to 149 and compete. Cenzo missed weight twice now, that's a big deal especially when you're a blue chip recruit on scholarship. His family made the trip to Scuffel and he was expected to wrestle. The bigger question is why didn't he bump to 65 like Dinmore bumped to 49. Yes he was a stud in high school but he has now failed twice at the next level. I hope the kid gets things together but it's not looking good.
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