Which usually means someone in the administration already let him know it wasn't good.
Chambers putting his hands aggressively on Dread
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Which usually means someone in the administration already let him know it wasn't good.
Seems reasonable and should be the end of it. The kid had a complete mental lapse by not stepping up to fill the gap which lead to that no-look pass/dunk by UM. Chambers was right to be pissed at him. Shoving him in anger was a “bad look” and over the line though, but it’s not a criminal offense and he apologized which should be the end of it imo.
"Puts hands aggressively?"
Give me a break. He shoved him in a "wake the f up" manner. The snowflake generation can't handle it.
Give me a break. He shoved him in a "wake the f up" manner. The snowflake generation can't handle it.
To me, it looked like a, " you're better than that! Now let's go!", followed by the push type of deal. Look at Lamar's reaction or lack of one. There's really not much to see here
If Pat was getting to the tourney every year I could overlook him losing control every now and again. Pat doesn’t have the luxury of making scenes like this with a less than 30% B10 win rate.
Lamar looked like he took control in a positive manner after the push, clapping his hands and getting the team focused. Chambers act on the sideline stomping his feet and now pushing a player is getting ridiculous. I like the players.. Chambers is losing the fans. He's going to lose the players soon too. They better show up Sunday vs Wisconsin. If there was ever a must win for a program and coach, it's this one.
Good point.. Prior to Chambers. 105-219 .324 winning percentage prior. 5 seasons of .500 or better in 19 years.
Chambers 38-91 .295 with one .500 season in 7. The last 3 seasons prior to this one have been better percentage wise than prior to Chambers so there is movement towards being better. It just appears years like last year might be the ceiling and the growth is snail like.
I don't see what the fuss is about, honestly. Probably not the popular sentiment.
I can see both sides.
It wasn’t much, but in today’s society a teacher or school staff does that to a student or you do it to your co-worker you are fired.
It was t much and I’m sure other coaches have done worst, but bottom line your hands should never touch anyone else even in a heat of the moment situation. Especially when you’re playing on National TV. I don’t think this will end well for Pat in the long run.
It wasn’t much, but in today’s society a teacher or school staff does that to a student or you do it to your co-worker you are fired.
It was t much and I’m sure other coaches have done worst, but bottom line your hands should never touch anyone else even in a heat of the moment situation. Especially when you’re playing on National TV. I don’t think this will end well for Pat in the long run.
FWIW - I don't really care that he pushed him or shoved him or whatever you want to call it, but I do think it's a bad look. I think he's somewhat of a mental midget and this comes during another losing effort.
This is a guy I've stood behind and have really wanted to like, mainly because I think he has brought in some legitimate talent that would see playing time on good teams, however, how every many years in and still no tournament appearances to show for it.
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I seem to remember a football coach we had here once grabbing a player by the facemask rather physically and literally screaming in his face. This on the sideline in front of a large crowd.
"... how every many years in and still no tournament appearances." Of the 300+ D1 teams how many have more appearances than PSU overall, last 25 years, during the Chambers era? Please remember that approximately 21% of D1 teams qualify each year.
If he was winning and the bball program was at least avg. it would be a non issue. But he's not and many of the same problems of the last several years still exist. To me thats a COACH problem and not a player issue.
I've been pretty forgiving of Chambers in the past but I continue to see the same problems with the team. I think he's got this year to figure it out and then we "move on" from him.
Very well. The talent on this year's team and last is fully capable of making the tournament. If you check the KenPom rankings over the course of the past 2 years, they have often been ranked around 30. Even right now, with a 7-7 record, we are ranked in the top-50. I wouldn't expect these teams to be a top-4 seed come March, but there's no reason they shouldn't be able to get a lower at-large bid.
So I ask you, what are your expectations for the program?
Last year Virginia Tech was an 8 seed in the tournament. Right now, they're ranked in the top-10 in the nation and depending on how they do in a strong conference, could very well land a 3-5 seed in the tournament.
What advantages does VT have over PSU? How were they able to attract a coach like Buzz Williams? How does Blacksburg differ from State College? What is their recruiting advantage over PSU?
Before someone brings it up, I already know. We BEAT Virginia Tech. However:
1. This only proves that we have the talent to compete with top-25 teams
2. The main difference is VT will be playing meaningful basketball in March and PSU will not.
I also remember parents smoking in the car with the windows up with their kids standing on the front seat. For good or bad, times change.
Seriously. If I hear one more person quote KenPom about how we really are a good team, I’m going to chuck my television out the window. Use your eyes. We suck. Knock it off with the KenPom nonsense.
Typically this type of action leads to changes. It appears he has lost the team and is grasping as frustration increases. I have no inside info but I believe the end is near. The Ws and Ls will continue to be about the same regardless of who they bring in until they change their mindset to be more focused on the sport like OSU, UM, MSU, etc. Until then, they will not get the coach and not have the facilities and buzz to bring in the type of player needed to actually finish over .500 in the B10. Sad I was really rooting for him.
And at the end of the season, the teams ranked highest in the KenPom will be the same teams competing for a championship. Last year, the teams that finished near where we did in the KenPom were playing in the actual tournament and not the NIT. Quite reliable, actually. Sorry to disappoint you.
And we suck? No sh*t. That doesn't mean we should.
Couldn't beat Indiana at home as a 3-point favorite. Blew a double-digit lead against DePaul as a favorite. Lost to Bradley as a 6-point favorite. Are those points spreads nonsense too?
You act like this is the first time Dread made this mistake...just maybe this has been explained many times and he can't get it right. What do you say COACH?
Yeah, but what was the point of it? Because he didn't fill a gap on defense? It wasn't a lack of effort play or something stupid like a technical foul or not paying attention. It was him not making the right reaction on defense. If you're going to get handsy with a player, it better make sense. Chambers just looks like he lost control. He's not teaching there. He's being a hotheaded ass.
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Like it or not, the reality of 2019 is that that sort of behavior is not appropriate in collegiate athletics. Any school could use an incident like that to fire a coach and the coach would have no case in challenging the decision.
I would like to hear the reaction around hear if Dread shoved Chambers like that.......it would be viewed as a big deal.
Not so. It depends on the terms of his contract which, I would think, none of us has seen. It may contain some language about this sort of conduct, but if not, this incident is what I would call de minimis. Penn State can dump Chambers any time they want as long as they pay him what is owed under his contract. However, if you are suggesting they would fire him based upon this incident and not pay him, in the absence of requisite contract language, I know a dozen terrific lawyers that would take the case.
Indeed. It would be viewed as a big deal. My point was that it wasn't much of a shove. Times have changed. Chambers erred and I'm sure he regrets it. I had hoped that I had already made my last post here - at least for a while. Had to respond to clarify though.
Thanks again for the inspiration @psuskp
KenPom is dog sh*t if it had us top 30 or now top 50. We are nowhere close to either. I could come up with a garbage algorithm too that predicts every year that duke and Michigan State and Villanova make the tournament. Open your Eyes and use your brain, don’t rely on somebody else’s algorithm like you’re some sort of mindless drone
What does it matter if it was the first or fifteenth time. If he’s not getting it, sit him on the bench until he figures it out, don’t physically confront him like a loon. If he’s not coachable (which I don’t think is the case) then who is responsible for recruiting him?
Even the well-respected David Jones agrees
https://www.pennlive.com/pennstatef...-lions-arent-buying-whatever-hes-selling.html
https://www.pennlive.com/pennstatef...-lions-arent-buying-whatever-hes-selling.html
I take some of these comments with a grain of salt. If it was up to a few of you there wouldn't be a coach left at PSU. At least try to disguise your outrage a bit and just admit you don't want Pat here.
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