Based on what? One start against Rutgers? Gimme a break. Allar has already demonstrated he can make all the throws including swing passes which Hack couldn’t throw worth a damn. Allar is the one with the “it” factor.
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Well there’s No way to measure. Take Sean and will. They have completely different programs which results in different stats. How would Sean do at Kentucky? How would will do at PSU? No way to know or even guess with any level of accuracy
Hostetter lost the job to Blackledge on merit. I was actually hoping he would win the job but he literally fumbled it away. PSU won a National Championship with Blackledge as I recall. Levis is getting lots of hype because he has a big arm. I watched several Kentucky games this year and saw little from him to justify that. Lots of passes at or just beyond the line of scrimmage. Very poor pocket presence He also had 2 critical fumbles late in the game in a very winnable game against Old Miss. The first was due to lack of pocket presence and the second was on a running play. Clifford probably has no future in the pros and Levis might I will concede that. But based on what I saw any GM who drafts him in the first round is crazy or extremely desperate or both IMO What matters to me is who is the best QB for Penn State and Clifford played better this year than Levis did.
But we do know. Will wasn't good enough to beat out Sean. Unless someone takes the ridiculous premise that they know more than the entire PSU coaching staff.
I'm not concerned about NFL careers or how someone fits in at another college.
Will left because 3 different coordinators preferred Clifford. He did well at Kentucky and I'm happy for him.
If he has a lucrative NFL career even better.
This guy has Veilloux out performing Allar already. Some of these fools in our fan base are simply amazing
Nardouche doesn't impress as one who is a lifelong learner.I think what he’s referring to was that Pitt’s initial plan was to redshirt Pickett in 2017 until he was brought in during the Syracuse game. At that point, with his redshirt already burnt, they let him play in a few other games and start the final game of the regular season.
Him playing was a result of former USC QB Max Browne not panning out.. we should’ve learned our lesson then about bringing on USC quarterbacks!
Long term result of youthful drug use or early onset dementia......I'm sure there are other causes.
But amusing, in any event.
Looking at the rushing stats and sack allowed, the team that did both better ended up with the better record in '21 and '22.
'22 rushing
Penn State 2185 yards 4.77 ypc
Kentucky 1443 yards 3.34 ypc
'22 sacks allowed
Penn State 18
Kentucky 42
'21 rushing
Penn State 1416 yards 3.29 ypc
Kentucky 2618 yards 5.45 ypc
'21 sacks allowed
Penn State 34
Kentucky 24
In all seriousness, he was the best QB in the portal last year. On paper, it was a good move. Sometimes it doesn’t work out, it is what it is. I can forgive him for that considering his overall body of work.
He's a poster boy for portal dependence. Why can't he recruit? Outside of the Clemson run....the ACC has been weak for some time. To me, that explains his above average results.
I disagree with your statement regarding recruiting; when looking at the All-Americans and NFL starters he has recruited and developed, he’s doing just fine. I can only recall a few games where the talent itself was a significant reason why we lost.
As for portal dependence, how is this a slight against him when it’s the world we live in? In fact, I’d argue that a coach isn’t properly doing his job if they’re not taking advantage of this resource. IMO, that is outdated thinking.
Your wife is calling again sissy. 300 pounds of pure hell, get off the net! 😆 🤣 😂
This class is about #50
....how is that good recruiting?
Portal discretion is advisable....dependence is dangerous.
I’m not too worried about it. The last two times we had classes ranked in that area, they ended up producing several quality starters and All-Americans. I trust their evaluation. The two de-commitments hurt, though.
And may you please provide evidence for this reliance? From the data I’ve seen the past three seasons, our portal usage is no different than anyone else in the country. I think you’re just using this against him because he’s Narduzzi, no disrespect.
You may have a point. I don't like the man at all. HIs statements like " let's move to the Big Ten and win it every year" and "We're undefeated.....we only beat ourselves".....rub me the wrong way. I don't think he's ever evolved from that position coach mentality. I just can't see him as the "face" of a D1 program. I guess Pitt was so starved for "stability" that they embraced him.
Pitt has never had a shortage of good individual talent. What Narduzzi struggles to do is get them to play as a team. His team has lost 5 or more games 6 out of 7 seasons even playing in a very weak division. That a terrible record that would have been unacceptable at any place other than Pitt where they embrace mediocracy. He the only coach dumb enough to claim he could win a conference every year that he has a 1-6 record against. He fits well at Pitt because he has the personality of a overly self important high school gym teacher/football coach.
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Oh no doubt he’s stubborn. Sometimes he can also be too arrogant and brash for his own good. But when you consider where our program was before he took over, an ACC championship and the most conference wins outside of Clemson is something we’d sign up for.
He’ll put us in a position to win the ACC (and a spot in the CFP) moving forward, so I’m content with him as coach.
Marcus Freeman started 2022 between third base and home plate. He finished 2022 on 2nd base.
Success based on players in the NFL I think depends how you look at it. Pitt ranks 32nd for number of current players in the NFL with 19. That isn't that far out of line with HCPNs yearly recruiting rankings. For reference, PSU is 7th with 39. Sure, you can cherry pick AD for example, but isn't the whole body of work more telling? Would Pitt be happy to end the season ranked 32nd every year?
I can't imagine he would go somewhere else just to be 2nd string like he would be at PSU next year. I wonder if he was told he would be 3rd next year behind Pribila?
That’s a fair argument. For me, I’ve always looked at Pitt’s success based on the caliber/quality of the players we’ve produced; perhaps this is because we’re never one of the schools with the most players in the NFL, such as Penn State.
As for our rankings, I actually don’t think 32nd is too bad for us. I’ve always thought that 8 wins should be the baseline for us, with the occasional 10+ win season like we had in 2021. Gives us a chance to contend for a conference championship and/or finish the season ranked. Nothing wrong with that, but that’s just who we are.
My view of the Pitt teams of the last few decades is that they often had that one superstar that every team would covet, who would eventually be NFL HOF worthy; but, as a team, they never have enough surrounding talent to accomplish much. Sort of an unusual mix.
And that’s what been so frustrating as a Pitt fan. Our all-time team can line up and beat anyone else’s, yet we’ve had two 10-win seasons since 1982… ain’t that a kick in the head!
I don't know what sadder that 8-5 is acceptable of the fact that Narduzzi has failed to even meet those low expectations 3 out of 8 years.
Bumping this as Veilleux officially committed to Pitt this morning.
Truth. We need to play the player that helps us win. I agree, we did that with Clifford. Levis may have a higher ceiling in the pros but that doesn't matter to me. In 05, there were a lot of folks that wanted MRob at receiver while completing ignoring the common knowledge that he won the job three straight years but rode the bench so Ganter could start Mills. In 08, a lot of folks wanted Devlin but, for a two year period, Darryl Clark was the best QB Penn State has had since Kerry Collins and number #2 (MRob for as great as he was) was well behind DC. But, that isn't to say that coaches always make the best decision. By most accounts, Tommy Stevens won the job in camp in 16 but never started a game much like MRob in 03 and 04. We'll never know.
Poor son of a bitch.
We should all be so unfortunate…. All kidding aside, he could end up starting at one point next year. The x BC qb is injury prone.
So hard to root for anything Pitt. But, by all accounts, he is a good kid so wish him well. Just hope the backs and receivers have lots of fumbles and their defense reeks!
I need Jurkovec to stay healthy at least until the Notre Dame. Pitt QB Phil Jurkovec versus Notre Dame QB Kedon Slovis will make for a fun storyline.
Cool. Now hopefully we can go several years before hearing western pa people who care about a long dead rivalry. I wish the QB and Pitt well.
From my anecdotal experience, most Pitt fans have moved on. We just wanted one game from the old days when we moved to the ACC. WVU wants to play us, you guys don’t. Nothing wrong with that, but no sense in us dragging our feet now.
Sad but the reality is that these guys have to go where the perceived snaps are going to be available. We can only assume the coaches see enough in practice and in the film breakdowns to decide who gets a chance and who doesnt. Seems an odd choice, but I'm guessing that staying in the Northeast gives his family a better chance of seeing him rather than traveling south or west.
Moved on? Does the anti-PSU chant still happen at all Pitt athletics contests? Thought so.
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