Clarion Open and Other News...
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He's clearly not cutting from 160. 159 max
wow this thread deteriorated ... anymore it's not worth reading much past the third page as pertty much the majority turn into crap
nope, that is a given. #1 rule is to do it quickly while the ice cream is still cold and before stomach acids mix with it!
Wow this has turned into quite the discussion wasn't expecting that.Anyone who's reading this that actually knows Josh is laughing because they all know Josh can hit 160 in no time.Back in 2014 before he left for UNI training in the barn in Dakota he was 151.Also some kids can cut weight and Josh is a professional weight cutter always has been he knows how to cut and perform at a high level.
Must be why he said in the article that he never cut weight in high school, and why it was such an adjustment for him in college, eh?
No, I'm not the one wrong, it's thee person who claims that he gets to 160. His certification shows that he doesn't, so pernt the fingers at that person, not me.
As for you other folks, you can save me "oh, the outrage" posts over a debate. If you can't handle an online debate then that's on you, not the MULTIPLE PARTIES engaging in the debate.
Hint: I'm not debating myself, so show your phony "outrage" toward everyone involved in this minor debate.
engaging in the debate.Hint: I'm not debating myself, so show your phony "outrage" toward everyone involved in this minor debate.
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No, you seem REALLY bothered, as exhibited by how many posts in response to a benign post. So, why ARE you so bothered? Friend of the Alber family, are we?
Ban go back and read the article again the reporter said he seldom cut weight because he won 4 titles he was insinuating that he could go whatever weight he wanted.Josh never said he didn't cut weight.Ban I have been around him growing up in high school offseason he would go 132 then 2 weeks later cut to 120 for big events. Since you see Josh go up to him and ask him he won't lie.Anyone who knows Josh will tell you he doesn't lie he's the nicest most respectful kid you will ever meet.His parents raised him right.
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Don't misunderstand, nor put words in my mouth. There is TRULY not a nicer, more genuine guy than Alber. I never questioned that, and let's not convolute that with my original pernt, which, sadly, got lost: I think he's better at 133, as I personally don't find his cut to 133 to be that big of a cut. That is ALL that I was ever saying.
And all I'm trying to say is it's harder then you think just because you see him and think he's in the 150 doesn't mean hes 150.Because I know for a fact he was over 150 in July 2014
Yep it's the Penn St forum .Feel free to go click on one of the Suriano,Iowa or Ohio St threads
Zacher made finals 10-4 over Ross of (lock haven)
Delong made finals lost to Bast (Kent state) 15-8
Yes, how about that CLARION OPEN? All in all, it was probably the toughest tourney of the weekend, wasn't it? Or maybe not--but it seemed tougher than the Cowboy open, and Daktronics seems like a glorified MN wrestleoff.
I hate to get involved in this but as an honest man, I can't help myself.
Facts:
2016 - Freshman 133. 15 seed.
W Gary Wayne Harding OK St Dec 10-6
L (2) Cory Clark Iowa MD 8-0
L Mason Beckman MD 14-2
Final Result 27-12 1-2 at Nationals
2017 - Sophomore 133. 12 seed.
W Austin Eicher MSU Fall 2:23
L (5) Micic dec 5-2
W Corey Keener CMU dec 6-2
L Scott Delvecchio RUT dec 4-3
Final Result 25-7 2-2 at Nationals R16
2018 - Junior 141. 9 seed.
L Sa'Derian Perry (EMU) dec 11-5
L Nick Lee (PSU) dec 7-3
Final Result 25-8 0-2 at Nationals
Opinion:
I'm not sure why even bother arguing he should go to 133. He had his best year at 141 in terms of regular season and seed. He had a bad tourney but has never really had a good one. I thought when I looked up those results it was going to be obvious that he was way better at 133 but I don't see that. Just being honest.
Facts:
2016 - Freshman 133. 15 seed.
W Gary Wayne Harding OK St Dec 10-6
L (2) Cory Clark Iowa MD 8-0
L Mason Beckman MD 14-2
Final Result 27-12 1-2 at Nationals
2017 - Sophomore 133. 12 seed.
W Austin Eicher MSU Fall 2:23
L (5) Micic dec 5-2
W Corey Keener CMU dec 6-2
L Scott Delvecchio RUT dec 4-3
Final Result 25-7 2-2 at Nationals R16
2018 - Junior 141. 9 seed.
L Sa'Derian Perry (EMU) dec 11-5
L Nick Lee (PSU) dec 7-3
Final Result 25-8 0-2 at Nationals
Opinion:
I'm not sure why even bother arguing he should go to 133. He had his best year at 141 in terms of regular season and seed. He had a bad tourney but has never really had a good one. I thought when I looked up those results it was going to be obvious that he was way better at 133 but I don't see that. Just being honest.
Hey, I have a REALLY easy fix for that next time! Don't PERSONALLY CHOOSE to spend 5 minutes reading something that you find offensive or object to.
Novel idear, eh?
But, yet, you did, and actually chose to waste 5 minutes of our time.
Let me reiterate for you. Had you read all of my comments you'd have noticed that my calling for Alber to go to 133 was twofold.
One, because, as a blue chip recruit, he was a bit lackluster at 133, so they believed, and as was said in the article, that the move to 141 would be the big change that he needed. However, there has been zero improvement at 141; I think that he's too small for the weight.
Second, and apparently what all of you missed in my earlier posts, for the sake of the TEAM, Alber is better at 133. As it sits now, we need some "improvement" at 133, and with Alber at 141, that means that Jake Koethe, who would be just as good as Alber at 141, rides the pines. With Alber at 133 and Koethe at 141 UNI has a stronger team. Novel idear, eh?!
Hey, I have a REALLY easy fix for that next time! Don't PERSONALLY CHOOSE to spend 5 minutes reading something that you find offensive or object to.
Novel idear, eh?
I'm an optimist I was hoping you would quit being argumentative and obstinate and I might actually read something of value in the thread. Clearly my optimism has clouded my judgment.
Hey, I have a REALLY easy fix for that next time! Don't PERSONALLY CHOOSE to spend 5 minutes reading something that you find offensive or object to.
Novel idear, eh?
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Try and exercise some self control.
Nope, just defending myself. I hate arguing, but I sure as heck will always defend myself.
Again, stop reading my posts and then acting offended, if it's that much of a problem for you.
Not when it comes to defending myself. That I will ALWAYS do. If you don't like me replying, don't engage me.
Novel idear, eh?!
Oh, I'm not offended by you. If anything Ban, I'm a bit embarrassed for you. Just admit that your argument about the weight cut wasn't quite right and move along.
Ban, I really appreciate that attitude in real life! But on the internet, I feel like it can only lead to at best exhaustion, and at worst a feeling that everyone is always ganging up on you (even when it is demonstrably NOT everyone). You don’t seem like the type to take advice on a forum, but I do believe your blood pressure might improve if you could modify your “defend self at all turns” approach when the venue for remarks is a buncha anonymous wrestling ninnies.
What was wrong? That he hasn't improved at 141, and that he didn't have that big of a cut?
I'm definitely not going down the wormhole, I'm just saying there's gotta be better things to discuss. How many AA's for No. Iowa this year?
Agree. This is getting exhausting, and as with ALL discussions about walk-around weights and cutting - is pointless.
Nobody on here knows the specifics about weights unless they are staring at the scale. Heck, many times the coaches, families, and even the WRESTLERS are inaccurate in statements and/or projections. @Ban Basketball @west2east I've told the story multiple times about a D1 wrestler in my family that I've gone round and round with on what he's going to wrestle this year, what he's going to weigh in after practice, what his walking around weight is, etc. Not arguments, but friendly banter because sometimes his statements are ridiculous. He's a kid - or young man - and often the reality in their mind is the reality they are hoping or wishing for - this is not a purposely deceptive thing. And that's not unique to him in my experience. I deal with a lot of wrestlers and sometimes have access to their weigh-ins and it's fairly common. Statements in an interview, statements from people close to wrestlers, statements from coaches - all need to be taken with a large grain of salt.
And the "eye-test" is just as inaccurate. I do it myself, everyone does, but your odds of being right on the eye test are about the same as a coin coming up heads rather than tails.
You have a uniquely self-loathing approach to facing your challenges.
Hilarious that you took that one line out of my post and then harp on me for wasting my time. You said you had 2 points. 1. he's better at 133. 2. he's not cutting that much.
you aren't right about #1. I showed you his record and you ignored it. At least tell us why you think he's better at 133. there is nothing here other than your opinion which isn't back by anything. I thought at first you might be right about him being better at 133 but that's not even clear so why go through all this ranting about his weight cut and now about people responding to you.
Whoever referred to you moving the goal posts was spot on.
There's no self-loathing involved. Simply stop engaging me and the thing that I hate disappears, but, yeah, I'm always going to defend myself.
Why did you choose to ignore the other half, where I've endlessly said that, for the team, he's better at 133?
How did I ignore the record, when I dovetailed off from it to pernt out to you that he did not improve moving up to 141, which is what the move was to do?
I'm simply saying that if the move to 141 didn't improve things, the team would be better with him at 133, and his cut isn't that big, relatively, why stay at 141?
I appreciate your words, and you are one of the few that I respect on here, so, thanks. However, I am who I am, and I'll always defend myself, and if folks don't like it, then (1) don't engage me (2) put me on ignore or (3) lobby the mods to have me banned. #3 is nothing new to me, so, so be it.
I think the other guy should cut to 133. I hear he walks around at 142.
Good to hear! I'm with you then: Koethe at 133 and Alber at 141! Problem solved.
Glad to see, by the way, that we have another strident and rabid UNI fan on this board who cares about UNI's success!
