Clarion Open - Nov 6th
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Assume this is what you are referencing;
Rule 3, Section 22, Art. 5;
Wrestlers shall not compete in more than six matches in one competition day. Forfeits and medical forfeits do not count into the six-match limitation; all other matches, including injury defaults, shall count into the total.
New rules? This is literally year six of those rules being in-place.
Perhaps Str8DBls he is referring to the new bylaws that were enacted over the summer concerning first year wrestlers?
Based on Casey’s letter, first year freshman on redshirt can’t wrestle in any event in first semester that is not part of the official team schedule. It can’t count towards their limited 1st semester events if it’s not a team event.
I’m a little concerned what that will do to opens like this. It certainly doesn’t help the quality. A lot of the draw of watching these opens was getting a glimpse of the studs redshirting.
I’m a little concerned what that will do to opens like this. It certainly doesn’t help the quality. A lot of the draw of watching these opens was getting a glimpse of the studs redshirting.
That's sort of true, but not 100% accurate. They can't wrestle unattached. But there's nothing stopping Cael from sending Casey with six of their freshmen (seven makes it count as a team date) to Clarion attached, and snapping up the last four rooms currently available at the Holiday Inn Express & Suites Clarion for them.
Isn’t there a limit on how many team dates can be on the schedule?
Yes, but if they pay for 6 or less to attend it is not a team event.
However, if expenses are paid it counts as a competition date for the individual.
16 competition dates, both for the team AND each wrestler are allowed by NCAA rule. Anything more than 4 for a true freshman and the redshirt is burned. Nitlion states the competition date rule above, but also of note is that PSU's schedule only consists of 15 competition dates as of this moment. The All-Star Classic is a freebie and won't affect the rankings 
(though we know it will).
(though we know it will).
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Are any of the PSU HS commits entering this one. Do you remember when Kolat Entered the one at PSU as an 8th grader. I was there.
I thought it was 5 competition dates, football has 4.16 competition dates, both for the team AND each wrestler are allowed by NCAA rule. Anything more than 4 for a true freshman and the redshirt is burned. Nitlion states the competition date rule above, but also of note is that PSU's schedule only consists of 15 competition dates as of this moment. The All-Star Classic is a freebie and won't affect the rankings
12.8.3.1.7 Exception -- Men's Wrestling. In men's wrestling, a student-athlete representing a Division I institution may compete in up to five dates of competition during the student-athlete's initial year of collegiate enrollment without using a season of competition. Competition in a conference championship tournament, the NCAA Division I Wrestling Championships, or any other season-ending championship event shall not be exempted from counting as a season of competition.
From https://www.ncaa.com/news/wrestling...ollege-wrestling-rules-ahead-2022-2023-season
Any football athlete that competes in more than four games will have to count the year towards their four-year total, but the four-game exception allowed for lineup flexibility, increased experience for younger players and, potentially, as promoters of this rule have argued, more excitement for the fans because of the increased lineup depth.
Starting in the 2022-23 season, wrestlers will have a similar opportunity, with a five-game window.
Yes…but if Penn State sends six wrestlers attached to the Clarion Open (or, for example, the Southern Scuffle) it still doesn’t count as a team date.
FIFY. Wording of the multi-date exemption were changed a few years back (2019) to allow the two two-date exemptions to be used on two duals or one tournament in a three-day span.16 competition dates, both for the team AND each wrestler are allowed by NCAA rule. Anything more than 4 for a true freshman and the redshirt is burned. Nitlion states the competition date rule above, but also of note is that PSU's schedule only consists of 14 competition dates as of this moment. The All-Star Classic is a freebie and won't affect the rankings
The new rule stinks. As does the part about being allowed to compete in duals while in redshirt.
So let me see if I have this correct:
1. Levi can't wrestle this fall at Clarion, Binghamton or the Scuffle without burning his redshirt
2. Levi can wrestle in 5 Big Ten duals next year without burning his redshirt
Make this make sense ... lol
1. Levi can't wrestle this fall at Clarion, Binghamton or the Scuffle without burning his redshirt
2. Levi can wrestle in 5 Big Ten duals next year without burning his redshirt
Make this make sense ... lol
You have #2 correct, but not #1. He can wrestle at Clarion, Kaloust (formerly Binghamton) or the Scuffle without being charged with a year of eligibility, but if he does compete at Clarion or Kaloust, he has to do so attached. (Scuffle is after the end of the first semester, so he can compete there unattached).
Wrestling attached means his redshirt is burned right? That’s what I meant.
No. Wrestling attached means it counts as one of the five dates he’s allowed to use before a year is charged (I generally try to avoid using the term “burning a redshirt” because that implies that he wouldn’t be allowed to use it in the future).
Not anymore. New rule allows 5 “attached” events (duals or tourneys). But he can’t compete unattached in the first semester. It’s all a bit silly and only creates more headaches
TNT did indeed “burn” a couple redshirts though last year. Not the case here with Levi, but it DOES happen.
You are proving @SetonHallPirate's dislike of "burning the shirt" perfectly. They still have the redshirt option available. No idea if Schriever or Swafford want to use it, but it's still an option this year.
That’s one way of making up for not getting competition at PIAAs.
He didn't have his redshirt burned, he had the *year* burned. He can still take a redshirt year, but that year where he wrestled is on the books.
I thought the family was upset because Tom told Swafford he was gonna wrestle, family and friends all went to the match and Tom ended up putting Kem in there. Maybe I’m misremembering.
That IS it. Did Swafford wrestle in another dual, because SW is right, he did ”burn the year”.
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