CNN Headline on Paterno

[Legion of Lions]

Jerry's accusers words were good enough for the jury. Get a life and a clue.

"...Good enough for the jury... ONLY applies here because of corrupted PA Courts. The outcome for all of this COULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT if BOTH of Sandusky's lawyers were not compromised by "personal issues" and if the "evidence" on which the OAG supported its claims were properly challenged and vetted.

Add to this that the public believed everything the MEDIA presented as "fact" in its continuous barrage of the the "Penn State Sex Scandal" (an allegation concerning PSU without basis under "normal law").

This success of this "Story" about a "monster predator" (per GJP Press Conference) was based on TONS of KNOWN "mis-information" about Sandusky's involvement with Penn State Football in 2001 and KNOWN MISINFORMATION in the relationship that Paterno had with Sandusky for years.

In fact..even today, what the public believes is based on 2 KNOWN FLAWED SOURCES....most certainly the OAG Presentment document for the trial and then the Freeh Report (AKA Freeh "opinion") as "confirmation". BOTH SOURCES ARE FACTUALLY WRONG and slanted to produce mountains of misinformation!

Add to this that LEGALLY the entire trial was conducted IN A STATE WHERE BASIC PERSONAL LEGAL RIGHTS do not exist (who needs the constitution???) and the basic principals of American justice were CONTINUOUSLY compromised by illegal court actions handed down by the OAG's personally selected "retired" judges ----

NOW THAT'S HOW THIS ALL BECAME Good enough for the jury. Its called illegal DECEPTION!

 

[francofan]

You are the idiot that visited Jerry in prison, held his hand and bought his sob story but you have
the nerve to lecture me on common sense. You are a nut. Seek help.

You are welcome to your own opinions. My opinion is that you have no credible evidence that wasn't subject to manipulation that proves that Sandusky is a pedophile. I find the opinions of Snedden and Professor Wes Oliver of Duquesne Law School more compelling by an order of magnitude than those of Louis Freeh or within the OAG (Corbett, Fina, McGettigan, Eshbach). I believe the law is on Sandusky's side in his bid for a retrial. If Sandusky is fortunate enough to win a new trial, I believe the verdicts will be entirely different this go round.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Unicorns are real Steve!!!

 

[francofan]

Unicorns are real Steve!!!

I know! Seeing is believing. The mascot of my son's high school was the unicorn.

@LaJolla Lion - I have a couple of question for you.

Are you aware of any credible evidence that wasn't subject to manipulation that proves that Sandusky is a pedophile?

Can you at least acknowledge that a case can be made that Sandusky's trial was not fair?

 

[LaJolla Lion]

I know! Seeing is believing. The mascot of my son's high school was the unicorn.

@LaJolla Lion - I have a couple of question for you.

Are you aware of any credible evidence that wasn't subject to manipulation that proves that Sandusky is a pedophile?

Can you at least acknowledge that a case can be made that Sandusky's trial was not fair?

Steve. Did you know Jerry before you went to visit him in prison? Were you a family friend? Can you admit that Jerry likes little boys and cannot stay away from them? Or do you too blow raspberries on 10 year old boys stomachs? The only unfair thing was it took him so long to get caught, but you don't care about that.

 

[getmyjive11]

Not even you can argue the merits of the janitor case with a straight face!

Your boy is spending the rest of his shameful life where he belongs. Deal with it.

 

[francofan]

Steve. Did you know Jerry before you went to visit him in prison? Were you a family friend? Can you admit that Jerry likes little boys and cannot stay away from them? Or do you too blow raspberries on 10 year old boys stomachs? The only unfair thing was it took him so long to get caught, but you don't care about that.

No, I didn't know Jerry before the fiasco. I believe there is a very strong likelihood that he has been a victim of the system of the justice in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. Independent of whether or not he is guilty as charged. His trial was rife with serial instances of prosecutorial misconduct (e.g. leaked grand jury testimony, false grand jury presentment, improper interviewing techniques and then committing perjury when asked about it), totallly ineffective defense counsel (arranging Costas interview having Sandusky do the interview without any preparation, promising the jury that Sandusky would trestify in his own defense and walking it back, waiving the preliminary hearing, not bringing in exculpatory statements with the v2 and v8 charges, etc.) and questionable rulings by the judge.

No, I can not admit that Jerry likes little boys and cannot stay away from them. Please provide one credible example that wasn't subject to manipulation that that was the case. There should be numerous examples, but if you take an objective view it is apparent that there aren't

 

[getmyjive11]

No, I didn't know Jerry before the fiasco. I believe there is a very strong likelihood that he has been a victim of the system of the justice in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. Independent of whether or not he is guilty as charged, his trial was rife with serial instances of prosecutorial misconduct (e.g. leaked grand jury testimony, false grand jury presentment, improper interviewing techniques and then committing perjury when asked about it), totallly ineffective defense counsel (arranging Costas interview and then

No, I can not admit that Jerry likes little boys and cannot stay away from them. Please provide one credible example that wasn't subject to manipulation that that was the case. There should be numerous examples, but if you take an objective view it is apparent that there aren't

There are over thirty fvcking examples, you rube. Holy shit, I can't take this anymore. These people are detestable.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

No, I didn't know Jerry before the fiasco. I believe there is a very strong likelihood that he has been a victim of the system of the justice in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. Independent of whether or not he is guilty as charged, his trial was rife with serial instances of prosecutorial misconduct (e.g. leaked grand jury testimony, false grand jury presentment, improper interviewing techniques and then committing perjury when asked about it), totallly ineffective defense counsel (arranging Costas interview and then

No, I can not admit that Jerry likes little boys and cannot stay away from them. Please provide one credible example that wasn't subject to manipulation that that was the case. There should be numerous examples, but if you take an objective view it is apparent that there aren't

Just as I thought. Fanboy in denial. Objective people know what he is. You're in denial. Every victim lied, sure they did.

 

[indynittany]

Your boy is spending the rest of his shameful life where he belongs. Deal with it.

Maybe he should. But what does that have to do with each individual case? Look, there's no question that the OAG had no stomach for taking on Sandusky if all they could prove was that he was a creep. Think about how that would have looked. Prosecutors in the OAG are among the most politically ambitious people on any planet. They had to change the public's perception of JS from saint to monster. And they had to keep the PSU narrative alive, in order to keep the focus from switching to TSM. That's where Sarah Ganim comes in. More importantly, that's where Mike McQueary comes in.

 

[francofan]

There are over thirty fvcking examples, you rube. Holy shit, I can't take this anymore. These people are detestable.

Out of those over 30 examples, please provide your best proof. My guess is that you will be either unwilling or unable to call out one iron-clad example.

Most people will acknowledge that it is possible that perhaps 1 or more of those examples may not be credible. My guess is that you will be not be willing to acknowledge that.

I think the best example of a possible victim is Aaron Fisher. If there is a new trial, I believe the verdicts will be based on whether or not the jury believes Aaron.

 

[francofan]

Just as I thought. Fanboy in denial. Objective people know what he is. You're in denial. Every victim lied, sure they did.

I don't believe all the accusers lied. I don't think v6 lied. In 2012 he may have viewed the 1998 shower incident as possible grooming.

Do you think it is possible that any of the accuser's accounts of what happened may not have been entirely accurate?

 

[denniskembala]

Your boy is spending the rest of his shameful life where he belongs. Deal with it.

You pile of crap, who was attacked, when and where on Penn State property.

Why do you avoid?

 

[indynittany]

There are over thirty fvcking examples, you rube. Holy shit, I can't take this anymore. These people are detestable.

All you have to do is compare what V2 said for free and of his own volition, compared to what he said for $3 million. Or what Matt Sandusky said when his father was indicted, what he said when the trial started compared to what he said once he decided to lawyer up. The kid who allowed his supposed abuse to be moved from '98 to '01 was not even known to the Sandusky's. He's the only victim for which they made that claim. And he's the only victim to claim a sexual advance on his first exposure to Sandusky. The janitor case had no known victim, no established date for the incident, no report of a crime, no physical evidence of a crime and the judge permitted the hearsay testimony of another janitor at trial. To top that off, it was revealed that the actual witness, the man they wouldn't let testify, said the man he saw was not Jerry Sandusky.

We're talking about a lot more than "reasonable doubt" here.

This is why people like you and a few others are such a danger. You have no problem with the ends justifying the means. It's been that way from the beginning. The prosecution got to lie about the severity of the event in an egregious manner. They embellished multiple charges. They knowingly lied about the date of the MM incident because of the statute of limitations. They even lied about V2 being "known only to god".

The trial was a joke. The PSU related cases do not stand up. The scandal I'm talking about is the real scandal and it's a scandal whether Jerry is found innocent or not should he get a new trial. Why did Penn State do everything it could to accept blame when nothing was established through due process? Especially since we now know that what was originally alleged could not have happened without the three administrators being found guilty of a helluva lot more than one lousy misdemeanor each.

The press has toed the line from the beginning. The truth took a back seat to being first. Not to mention the financial windfall from exploiting as big a scandal as possible. They could rewrite the narrative at any time now. It must not be profitable to yet.

And all you can do is impugn the credibility of anyone who seeks answers to these glaring incongruities.

 

[getmyjive11]

The three idiots who are in Jerry's corner respond immediately. Not surprising.

 

[indynittany]

The three idiots who are in Jerry's corner respond immediately. Not surprising.

Thanks for proving my point. Right on cue!

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Jerry did it. Some here live in denial. You are the Captain Steve. It's ok, some kids never wanted to believe Santa wasn't real. I get it.

 

[francofan]

Jerry did it. Some here live in denial. You are the Captain Steve. It's ok, some kids never wanted to believe Santa wasn't real. I get it.

LaJolla - you are talking a lot, but you are not saying anything. I asked you 2 simple question and the response I get from you to my question is crickets. I will repeat my questions:

What is your single best example of credible proof that wasn't subject to manipulation of Sandusky's CSA behavior?

Do you think it is possible than any of the Sandusky accusers' testimony may not have been entirely accurate?

 

[pandaczar12]

Holy shit, I can't take this anymore.

You're more than welcome to leave and go back to your Pitt board. No one will miss your broken record, except maybe the other broken record LaNotta Lion... if he is still around.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

LaJolla - you are talking a lot, but you are not saying anything. I asked you 2 simple question and the response I get from you to my question is crickets. I will repeat my questions:

What is your single best example of credible proof that wasn't subject to manipulation of Sandusky's CSA behavior?

Do you think it is possible than any of the Sandusky accusers' testimony may not have been entirely accurate?

8 people testified against him as adults, not little toddlers. He admitted to blowing raspberries on 10 year old boys stomachs. He was told to stop showering with boys and could not. Not a shred of evidence in 6 years to show he is innocent other than victim shaming by a f--king radio nut with a few sympathetic ears who live in denial. Jerry loves the little boys, but you won't admit it because it ruins your little fantasies of it all being a bad dream.

Jerry likes little boys. You simply deny every single victims testimony because you're to weak to deal with the reality.

 

[bdgan]

8 people testified against him as adults, not little toddlers. He admitted to blowing raspberries on 10 year old boys stomachs. He was told to stop showering with boys and could not. Not a shred of evidence in 6 years to show he is innocent other than victim shaming by a f--king radio nut with a few sympathetic ears who live in denial. Jerry loves the little boys, but you won't admit it because it ruins your little fantasies of it all being a bad dream.

Jerry likes little boys. You simply deny every single victims testimony because you're to weak to deal with the reality.

There's little doubt that JS has a problem. An innocent person in their right mind would have been scared to death after 1998. The fact that JS did something again tells me that he has a problem. I'm not saying it was anal or even oral sex. I'm just saying he has a problem.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

There's little doubt that JS has a problem. An innocent person in their right mind would have been scared to death after 1998. The fact that JS did something again tells me that he has a problem. I'm not saying it was anal or even oral sex. I'm just saying he has a problem.

If they all lied and the other 20, I'll eat my crow....not too worried about that.

 

[RussianEagle]

There's little doubt that JS has a problem. An innocent person in their right mind would have been scared to death after 1998. The fact that JS did something again tells me that he has a problem. I'm not saying it was anal or even oral sex. I'm just saying he has a problem.

Of course if Jerry was really grooming V6 in the 1998 incident, and the boy not only resisted the grooming but complained to his mother that he was uncomfortable, shouldn't Jerry completely kicked that "dangerous" kid to the curb. All the experts on CSA say that what groomers do when kids display resistance. Instead, Sandusky not only continues a relationship with the boy (with absolutely no further incidents), he enables the boy to form close friendships with the other boys he is supposedly abusing/grooming. Jerry's actions after 1998 show that he viewed the incident as a benign misunderstanding, not that he barely escaped being arrested for child molestation.

 

[RussianEagle]

This can't be overemphasized! Tim was uncomfortable going behind Jerry's back. He didn't propose excluding anyone. He simply proposed including JS. To which Spanier acknowledged would involve an additional step. And more importantly, Spanier gave this proposal his approval. Joe was not involved in the decision.

Another thing many are missing is that if you read all the emails and notes in context, it seems like PSU considered contacting CYS so that they could explain to Jerry that showering with Second Mile kids was not appropriate. I don't think anyone saw the need for a child abuse investigation. Everyone saw it as a rather minor incident including McQueary, who voiced no objection to how Curley handled the incident when Joe followed up with him, and also continued to play in Sandusky's charity golf tournaments.

 

[Osprey Lion]

You are welcome to your own opinions. My opinion is that you have no credible evidence that wasn't subject to manipulation that proves that Sandusky is a pedophile. I find the opinions of Snedden and Professor Wes Oliver of Duquesne Law School more compelling by an order of magnitude than those of Louis Freeh or within the OAG (Corbett, Fina, McGettigan, Eshbach). I believe the law is on Sandusky's side in his bid for a retrial. If Sandusky is fortunate enough to win a new trial, I believe the verdicts will be entirely different this go round.

I'm sure you will believe any positive opinion of Jerry the child molester because you are a sick, nutty
individual. Seek help.

 

[Osprey Lion]

You're correct that nobody knows 100% for sure what happened. That said, it is not common sense to assume that Joe/C/S/S conspired to cover up for JS. You don't even have circumstantial evidence much less hard evidense.

I have two guilty pleas and a guilty verdict. What have you got? Why do you try
to argue with me when you know I am much smarter?

 

[pandaczar12]

I have two guilty pleas and a guilty verdict. What have you got? Why do you try
to argue with me when you know I am much smarter?

He has like 20 not guilty felony verdicts, including the "cover-up" charges in question, and the ability to post using proper line breaks.

 

[indynittany]

I have two guilty pleas and a guilty verdict. What have you got?...

The truth!

 

[RussianEagle]

You're more than welcome to leave and go back to your Pitt board. No one will miss your broken record, except maybe the other broken record LaNotta Lion... if he is still around.

I blocked these idiots. Do they actually think taking personal shots at people who question Sandusky's guilt means they care about children?

 

[Lattner]

It seems GMJ is very comfortable keeping this conversation circle jerking with C/S/S and PSU. How about we move this conversation to the PA foster care/adoption system and how it failed at all levels concerning JS. To anyone's knowledge, is it possible to file a RTK for the paperwork for each of JS's foster children and adoptions without signatures and names of who signed off redacted?

The PA foster system has been in disarray for years.
A cause of many PHL problems.

 

[getmyjive11]

The truth!

LOL. Your version of the truth based on nothing.

 

[getmyjive11]

I blocked these idiots. Do they actually think taking personal shots at people who question Sandusky's guilt means they care about children?

This is a great argument as well. "If you care about kids you better support Sandusky!!!!"

 

[JosephNit]

Geez, the level of denial displayed here is impressive. Honestly, it's textbook.

The real issue of course is the strong need some people have to preserve the myth they've created of Joe. Thus the tortured, pathetic defense of Jerry.

Because to a rational mind, the evidence is overwhelming and indisputable that Jerry is a serial predator, who ruined the lives of a bunch of kids.

As for Joe, well, as I said earlier, the story as it pertains to him contains as many elements of tragedy as of villainy.

I'll never forget the many good and great things Joe did. Do they outweigh the fateful failure of judgment and character that led to his downfall? In that question lies the tragedy.

 

[bdgan]

I have two guilty pleas and a guilty verdict. What have you got? Why do you try
to argue with me when you know I am much smarter?

I've got the fact that there is absolutely zero evidence of conspiracy and that all such charges were dropped a long time ago.

You're right about one thing. Arguing with the board idiot doesn't make much sense.

 

[bdgan]

LOL. Your version of the truth based on nothing.

Your version of the truth lacks credibility.

 

[getmyjive11]

Your version of the truth lacks credibility.

My version of the truth is the accepted on by the world. Your version is accepted by the loons on here. Think about that.

 

[Osprey Lion]

I've got the fact that there is absolutely zero evidence of conspiracy and that all such charges were dropped a long time ago.

You're right about one thing. Arguing with the board idiot doesn't make much sense.

I don't think you are the board idiot. There are others far worse than you. But you do
possess very little common sense.

 

[RussianEagle]

Geez, the level of denial displayed here is impressive. Honestly, it's textbook.

The real issue of course is the strong need some people have to preserve the myth they've created of Joe. Thus the tortured, pathetic defense of Jerry.

Because to a rational mind, the evidence is overwhelming and indisputable that Jerry is a serial predator, who ruined the lives of a bunch of kids.

As for Joe, well, as I said earlier, the story as it pertains to him contains as many elements of tragedy as of villainy.

I'll never forget the many good and great things Joe did. Do they outweigh the fateful failure of judgment and character that led to his downfall? In that question lies the tragedy.

Whether or not you believe Sandusky is innocent or guilty as a whole is irrelevant to Joe. Do you believe a sexual assault happened in 2001 that was witness by Mike McQueary? I think it is 100% clear that no such assault happened. The actual boy remained friends with Sandusky well into adulthood and adamantly defending him even after Sandusky's arrest. Yes, he did eventually turn on Sandusky after he was promised $$$ by a lawyer and his career prospects were likely shot due to a DUI, but even then, he can't give a consistent story and his actual testimony at Sandusky's PCRA completely contradicted his own attorneys earlier statement.

Also, in the 1998 incident that Joe may or may not known about, the boy remained friends with Sandusky for 13 more years. He testified at trial that the incident where Sandusky picked him in the shower was the only time Sandusky ever did anything to him that seemed inappropriate. Only a year before Sandusky's arrest, the now 24 year old young man send Jerry a text that said "Happy Fathers Day! I am so glad God has placed you in my life"

Even if Sandusky is guilty is molesting some of the boys, It is clear Joe was never informed about any sexual assaults.

 

[denniskembala]

Geez, the level of denial displayed here is impressive. Honestly, it's textbook.

The real issue of course is the strong need some people have to preserve the myth they've created of Joe. Thus the tortured, pathetic defense of Jerry.

Because to a rational mind, the evidence is overwhelming and indisputable that Jerry is a serial predator, who ruined the lives of a bunch of kids.

As for Joe, well, as I said earlier, the story as it pertains to him contains as many elements of tragedy as of villainy.

I'll never forget the many good and great things Joe did. Do they outweigh the fateful failure of judgment and character that led to his downfall? In that question lies the tragedy.

Another hater and clown trying to get responses to his bullshit.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Another hater and clown trying to get responses to his bullshit.

Looks like it worked pnny.