Thanks. Sounds like it could be a devoted kid that wants to get in some work while around home. We'll see.
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I'm not sure that means anything. Kyle Snyder practices with the NLWC sometimes. Does that mean he is going to jump to PSU?
Suriano was one of the top recruits in the US. He came to Penn State to be on a national championship team and be a national champion himself. He accomplished one goal and would have had a decent shot at the second. Why would he leave the best program in the US for a second tier team? That makes no sense. And you can bet that if he was having issues about where he is living now, Cael would go to great lengths to smooth things out for him.
I just can't wrap my brain around this. You have a kid who has obviously worked his tail off to land at the premier program only to get homesick. To me this seems to only add to the list of reasons people come up with to add doubt. Homesick, way PSU handled injury, weight....about the only thing we haven't heard SO FAR is his girlfriend enrolled at RU.
Listen, as a Rutgers guy I would be thrilled if this happened, but despite me piecing things together from various places I still have alot of reservations. I think it is alot of speculation, and some facts thrown in to further muddy the water.
I'm taking a it is what it is approach to this whole thing
I'm taking a it is what it is approach to this whole thing
This post causes me to be confused on multiple levels. What are you driving at?
that like stereotypes, rumors generally have some level fact within them.
so ill just say something is up. we can chat off board if that helps.
Stop the presses!!!! Jersey kid on summer break is rolling around at the SKWC!!!! Could it mean he was getting in some work while he was in NJ?
Good lord. Suriano, who is as driven a kid as anyone, is willing to go to a lesser program and forfeit a year of eligibility, leaving him with two shots at national title at a school that has zero national champs in its history. I'm flabbergasted.
Newflash..... you're arrogance is showing in this post. I came in peace and you had to go there. I didn't claim this rumor was true, only reported what I heard. Why the snark?
First, kids are kids there could be 100 reasons why he wants to transfer and come home, and Wrestlers that are his kinda good can win National Championships anywhere practicing in any room. This isn't football.
Second, He has not used his redshirt and if he came to Rutgers,or any school in the Big Ten for that matter, he could use his redshirt in his conference transfer sit out year instead of losing a competitve year and lose zero eligibility.
And yes Rutgers is a lesser program to Mighty Penn state, but lets not make pretend that Rutgers isnt a top 10 quality program in the country that is on the rise. This isnt Monmouth or Cal Poly he would potentially be transferring to. A move to Rutgers, or any Big Ten School, provides him the same path against the same competition that Penn State would.
Your understanding of BigTen transfer rules is flawed. A Redshirt and/or Release doesn't help. He will lose a year of eligibility unless he can get a special circumstance exemption.
That and if NS was having problems at PSU, you would think that Cael would be recruiting a 125 pounder. Maybe not a blue chip but somebody who can be solid.
The only problems Nick had was an old a** mat in Stilly and Thomas Gilman very early in the season
Your last statement is not accurate. In the PSU room is where he will find better competition 95% of the time
What part of handling the injury is at question. The fact he continued to wrestle in the match he was hurt. The attempt to come back for the NCAAs. Did he want to wrestle at NCAAs and was held out. Or the quality of the care he received.
Yep. Exactly the same. It must be our arrogance about 6 national titles in seven years and not their bottomless insecurity. Must be.
Don't know. In fact I deleted my post since i don't have all the info.
Please delete the one that quotes mine. I shouldn't have posted
Thinking about it now I think you are right. I'm going off of our Amir Mitchell in conference transfer in football. But he was a freshman who transferred prior to playing in any competition. So he sat his freshman year as a Redshirt and also lost his freshman year of eligibility leaving him 3 year to play three.
Unless he gets a hardship waiver from the Big Ten to forgo that loss of elegibility year. He would have 2 years left if he came to Rutgers. Again though none of us really know the circumstance surrounding this rumor so who knows.
Ashnault's problem is not the room he is in. It's that he can't figure out Dean Heil. He has beaten everyone he's really needed to except Heil and his let the other guy do all the work while I defend and not get hit for stalling style.
Please, Ash finished 6th, lost to Jack and Eierman as well
Demauroj, if you came to the BlueWhite board expecting open arms then that's on you brother
That's original.
No, you are correct in that he has yet to break through, but let's not spin it like he's some huge disappointment. The kid is still a 3x AA who was 1 match away from the finals 2 years in a row including a loss to the 2-time champion. 141 is one of the deepest weights in the entire country. Plus, Demauroj was not saying that the competition in our room is the same as PSU. He was saying that we wrestle the same conference schedule and programs as PSU or any other top tier B1G program.
Demauroj, if you came to the BlueWhite board expecting open arms then that's on you brother
That's original.
No, you are correct in that he has yet to break through, but let's not spin it like he's some huge disappointment. The kid is still a 3x AA who was 1 match away from the finals 2 years in a row including a loss to the 2-time champion. 141 is one of the deepest weights in the entire country. Plus, Demauroj was not saying that the competition in our room is the same as PSU. He was saying that we wrestle the same conference schedule and programs as PSU or any other top tier B1G program.
I just think Ash would have achieved greater results being in our room, he's fantastic and certainly not a disappointment.
Just thinking about New Jersey makes me cringe. Not sure how anyone could ever get homesick from there.
I've spent a lot of time on recruiting rankings vs. College results, and while there is some truth to what you say, it's not as cut and dried as you say. Cael and Co. are actually pulling the correlation between HS rankings and college results up. In other words, wrestling at PSU gives a kid a much better shot at AA or NC than wrestling literally anyplace else.
Says the guy who lives in Iowa. Stick to passive aggressive shots at PSU, it's what your best at.
Like many, I get confused by what I hear on this subject. My understanding was that, per NCAA rules, an athlete has 5 years of eligibility to complete 4 years of competition. Transfer generally equals a loss of one of those 5 years of eligibility, which is no big deal if you haven't yet used a redshirt year.
Are you saying that, per B1G rules, an athlete that transfers within-conference loses not only a year of eligibility, but a year of competition as well, regardless of how many years of eligibility he may have available to burn?
Someone noted the Cortez mandatory sit, but that is not an apples-to-apples comparison, as Cortez had already used a redshirt year prior to his transfer -- his available years of eligibility and years of competition were equal at the time. Suriano currently has 4 years of eligibility and 3 years of competition available to him.
If the B1G rules state that Nick would have to lose a year of competition, then this rumor seems even more far-fetched than I realized. I find it hard to believe that a kid who was so geared toward being a 4-timer would voluntarily put himself in a situation where his cap would be 2.
This is completely irrelevant. Their is the top 4 and then a huge drop to 5 and below. Hey Indiana wrestles in the Big10, same exposure! Educate yourself on the NLWC, or the HWC, and get back to me about what room you're in doesn't matter cuz they're all the same conference. Good grief.
You don't know that for sure, but I respect the even response.
At the same time, does a kid like Perrotti become a multiple AA just by being in your room? Or a lightly recruited Ken Theo make the podium and knock of the 3rd seed? This is brutal sport once you get out of High School so having the best bodies in the room obviously helps.
I actually appreciate the visit by you two. You're making some valid points. Our frustration with the rumor should not extend to instinctively lashing out at respectful counterpoints.Demauroj, if you came to the BlueWhite board expecting open arms then that's on you brother
That's original.
No, you are correct in that he has yet to break through, but let's not spin it like he's some huge disappointment. The kid is still a 3x AA who was 1 match away from the finals 2 years in a row including a loss to the 2-time champion. 141 is one of the deepest weights in the entire country. Plus, Demauroj was not saying that the competition in our room is the same as PSU. He was saying that we wrestle the same conference schedule and programs as PSU or any other top tier B1G program.
Does it feel good being a complete A hole? Thanks for providing an unnecessary D bag response especially considering you know absolutely nothing about me, my background or my knowledge of this sport. All I was pointing out was the poster in question never stated that the competition in our room was the same as PSU (a program I have the utmost respect for) as another poster alluded to. That's all.
Appreciate that.
The rumor should have never came out true or not. It's not fair to the wrestler, his family or either program regardless if true. There is information that I have access to but would never leak specifics.
It feels good being completely correct. If you have all this deep wrestling knowledge then you'd know what league you're in is pretty irrelevant.
Maybe treat me and my family like human beings in January when I'm at the RAC and not act like complete trash like you did in Sept 2014 and I'll start respecting Rutgers or its fans. Then again I live here so maybe not.
Greater than Gulibon's results?!!
Was going to mention that as well, but to be fair Gullibon was not the same level of recruit as Ashnault.
I'll second that. I extend open arms to anyone who wants to visit to share some perspective or info. As long as you are not a paid member of the media gossiping to a national audience without conducting some due diligence first (that can make me a little b**chy), fire away and just ignore the arrogant chest-thumpers.
Im trying to envision these Jersey posters yelling at their screens with their heavy accents, fake tans and slicked back hair.. I better not say to much or some guy named Paulie is going to pay me a visit with a bat in one hand and a hoagie sandy in the other.
Greater than Gulibon's results?!!
You tough today? Jimmy just a bit undersized vs Ash, no?
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