Yeah, when I was 11 I had to be in bed by 8:30. So you are correct, I would not have been allowed to go.Yep!
Heck, getmyjive wouldn't have even been allowed to go to one of his own high school football or basketball games. Our high school games never even started until 8:00.
Dranov on the stand
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God forbid I'm angered about a serial child molester not being reported to police. What a stupid thing that is.....
Oh goody more sandusky Penn State sex scandal on the news everyday , thanks to Mike McCoward .. I wonder how long he watched the rape before he shut the locker door in protest. What a joke .. He should be locked up for not being a man, well actually i think a women would have done more to stop a child being raped than he did. So just lock him up with sandusky .
We also learned today that it's just fine and all hunky dory, for a 59 year old grown man to shower naked with small children who are not his own children and not related to him in any way, shape, or form.
Or one of his double-digit "Foster Children", which he also had legal custody to under the terms of the "Foster-Parenting Agreement" -- Sandusky literally had dozens of Foster-Kids over the decades and all of them were assigned to him by the State Agency via EVALUATIONS DONE BY THE SECOND MILE and Dr. Jack Raykovitz, go figure!?!? How would anyone know the nature of Sandusky's specific LEGAL CUSTODY RELATIONSHIP with any of these kids given the number of "Foster-Children" that were assigned to him??? Matt Sandusky was originally assigned to the Sandusky Household as a "Foster-Parent" where the natural mother retained custody rights to Matt, but those custody rights were far inferior to Sandusky's "Foster-Parenting" custody rights in terms of time spent with Matt!!!!!! Matt was for all intents-&-purposes an "Adopted Child" even when he was technically still a "Foster-Child" given the superiority of Sandusky's CUSTODY RIGHTS relative to those of the natural mother!
But according to the bloviating hypocrites (and lovers of the politically corrupt) on this site, PSU and PSU employees, were responsible for keeping track of, and administering & monitoring, all these differing "custody rights" Sandusky had with these kids, not the State of Pennsylvania via the DPW's and its Sections responsible for: i] "Children's Organizations" including charities, ii] Adoption, iii] Foster-Parenting and finally, iv] Group Homes for Wayward / At-Risk Chidren????? Huh, wtf???? Talk about unmitigate moral-hypocrisy, double-standards and public corruption!!!!
Again, doubling-down on being full of $hit - what a surprise! How would anyone from PSU know the nature of Sandusky's LEGAL custody relationship with any of these kids given that he had a LEGAL Foster-Parenting Relationship via the State with literally dozens upon dozens of kids through the decades! But you believe MM, or anyone else at PSU, knew the exact nature of Sandusky's legal custody relationship with a child whose name and identity they don't even know, LMFAO! You are a classic tool - beyond moronic and straight to "$hit for brains".
Yeah, apparently that is not a concern at all. And 9:00 at night with no one else around... no worries! Sexual sounds.... probably just water drops hitting the floor....
Wow. Just reprehensible that you are defending a pedophile.
This has been stated ad nauseam from some of us on this board, but grown men and kids showering together was not uncommon at one time in society. You must be fairly young, so maybe you don't understand. When I was in high school the coaches and players showered in the same facility. When I was a kid at the local swim club I used the same locker/shower room with grown men. When I was 10 and went to the shore with family there were public locker rooms packed with kids and grown ups in various states of dress using shower and bathroom facilities. Sandusky had done this on more than a few occasions in front of others, but no one gave it a second thought because societal mores/norms didn't suggest it was out of the ordinary.
Not defending a pedophile @sshole - I'm criticizing a morally-reprehensible CORRUPT STATE and the morally-reprehensible lawyer-turned-politicians that RAN THE STATE (i.e., the Corruption-Ring often just termed a "Racket" in the underworld), you reprehensible, stupid, worthless phuck-wad!
Again, read for comprehension and make an on topic reply. I noticed you didn't dispute my many examples of the thread discussing the age 14.
He knows that, it's just an insult, and you know why people turn to insults on a message board...
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I have to agree with this. The showering on its own is not nefarious. At least people wouldn't have seen it that way in 2001 - especially older people. This is a thoroughly dishonest line of attack.
Especially given the NUMBER of children that Sandusky had UNIQUE LEGAL CUSTODY ACCESS to via both STATE-GRANTED Adoptions and Foster-Parenting Agreements!!! How would anyone know what Sandusky's specific "custody rights" were to a kid whose name and identity they don't even know, let alone every single child Sandusky brought on campus via TSM-Access and privileges???
Of course you would.
But the fact is that there are probably thousands of athletic clubs around the country that still had gang showers in 2001 and did not have separate facilities for "juniors." That means that kids were showering with adults. That's how it was. That's how it still it at some clubs.
So in listening to Van Natta speak with Zig here, DVNJr goes on to explain how "shocked" Mike is over the AG investigators. So shocked in fact, that after making a few phone calls that evening - he decides to "lawyer up" to protect himself.
Which got me to thinking - this is a reasonable reaction, and prudent.
But if he was "shocked" back in 2001 - was there ever the thought or discussion of "lawyering up" back then - assuming giving the information to Curley/Schultz might slingshot back onto him?
Which got me to thinking - this is a reasonable reaction, and prudent.
But if he was "shocked" back in 2001 - was there ever the thought or discussion of "lawyering up" back then - assuming giving the information to Curley/Schultz might slingshot back onto him?
Then you are obviously looking at the wrong post. I gave you MULTIPLE examples of the on-topic discussion being had in this thread, please read for comprehension and stop with the off-topic distraction.
It doesn't have to be factual, it doesn't have to make sense, he simply is going to take any stance that makes PSU/JVP look bad.
I'm not sure that accurately reflects what Dranov meant with his response. Yes he said it wasn't "bad enough" to call police that night but we don't know specifically what Dranov's criteria for calling the police would be. Maybe he thought a call to police was only warranted when there was a clear and present danger, otherwise it should best handled through Penn State's official channels, even if it was a criminal activity. We just don't know. He did come back and say “I don’t want to give the implication I didn’t think it was a serious incident. I did. I followed up to make sure he reported it.“
wasn't it handled through Penn State's official channels? they did inform Sandusky's employer: the CEO of a state licensed charity, a mandatory reporter, and a licensed therapist. Sandusky was barred from bringing any more kids on campus. No victim after 2001 testified that he was molested on campus.
Dranov didn't think it warranted calling the cops, he gets a pass. Curley and Schultz think the same thing, they get charged with a crime. Raykovitz thinks the same thing, and he gets a pass.
Gotta admit that is pretty weird.
When I was a freshman at Penn State, I took a swimming class where we all swam naked. Can you imagine that today? Times change, but some people can't recognize that.
I was in high school in the late 90s and no one showered after sports or gym class. Literally no one.
I wouldn't have thought anything of it even in 2011 before all this sh!+ hit the fan..
For years, on occasion, I would shower at either Rec Hall or the IM building after 9:00 PM when they were opened 24 hours. As strange as it sounds to today's generation, if I am playing basketball, and have sweated a lot, I like to get clean.
Sometimes I would be by myself in the showers, sometimes other people would be in there. Haven't done it since 2011 because everything is locked up now.
Did I ever see a guy and a kid? I have no idea, because to me, it wouldn't have meant anything. I would have just figured it was a guy and his son. Football weekends bring a lot of families into town, and when I was a kid, it was just natural to shower in group showers at gyms, camps, parks, etc. We didn't have the luxury of stalls and such back then.
That's how it is NOWHERE.
Head over to another message board, I dare you, any team, ANY TEAM, and fly that one by them.
Jesus you are a joke.
HAAA!!! I work out at different YMCAs all the time when I'm out of town. Almost all of them have group showers. Very few of them have separate locker rooms for juniors.
You need to get to a gym!!!
There's another oft repeated falsehood.
One of the victims testified to being assaulted in the Lasch Building in 2002. Not sure which numbered victim he is, but he testified at the end of Day 3.
This is retreading old ground - but wouldn't it have been prudent for Mike, Gary & Tim to actually go to the "scene of the crime" - so Mike can show them specifically how, what, when - so the PSU Admins can more clearly confront Jerry with what went on, better armed with facts?
Why meet in the Bryce Jordan Center? It's so.....silly.
It certainly doesn't speak to any urgency, nor does it help to illustrate the problem. It's like they're meeting for coffee.
"Within about 10 days, McQueary met at the Bryce Jordan Center with Vice President for Finance and Business Gary Schultz and Athletic Director Tim Curley. The entire meeting lasted about 10 or 15 minutes, McQueary testified."
http://onwardstate.com/2013/07/29/m...-in-curleyschultzspanier-preliminary-hearing/
Why meet in the Bryce Jordan Center? It's so.....silly.
It certainly doesn't speak to any urgency, nor does it help to illustrate the problem. It's like they're meeting for coffee.
"Within about 10 days, McQueary met at the Bryce Jordan Center with Vice President for Finance and Business Gary Schultz and Athletic Director Tim Curley. The entire meeting lasted about 10 or 15 minutes, McQueary testified."
http://onwardstate.com/2013/07/29/m...-in-curleyschultzspanier-preliminary-hearing/
I suggest you look up the definition of the word "generality". In the meantime, why don't you go back and respond to the many on-topic points in the many posts that you have ignored.
You are so predictable it's not funny, I post a shiny off-topic nugget, you are drawn to it like a moth to a flame. Dance puppet!
You must be talking about Victim 5. He was the kid that changed his story from 1998 to August or September 2001 so the AG could have a post-Victim 2, in-house Penn State Victim.
If I remember right, the jury didn't buy his assault story because he would have had to have been abused right in the middle of pre-season camp where guys would have been going in and out of the locker room constantly. The Indecent Assault charge was dropped, and Sandusky was charged on three lesser charges.
Is that the Victim you meant? I think he was the only post Victim 2 Victim allegedly assaulted on Penn State property.
HAAA!!! I work out at different YMCAs all the time when I'm out of town. Almost all of them have group showers. Very few of them have separate locker rooms for juniors.
You need to get to a gym!!!
You did not answer the question.
Take this thought to any other message board and see what they say.
And a group shower at the YMCA, is not a two person shower at 10 pm at night with one 60 year old man and one ten year old child.
God, you are reprehensible. Sickening to see you try to defend a pedophile.
No one is defending a pedophile, simply pointing out to you the the FACT that JS was seen as a pillar of the community who would never hurt a kid. He had numerous adoptive and foster kids and there was an agreement between PSU and TSM for the "friend fitness program" so it wouldn't be unusual at all to see JS and a kid working out/showering in the facilities. Numerous people testified about this. Was that a dumb program for PSU to agree to, yes due to the inherent risk we can see in hindsight but you need to account for how people viewed JS at the time.
Also, believe it or not, in PA it's NOT illegal for an adult to shower with a child, only if it can be proven that it's being done with sexual intent, which was one of the big hurdles in filing charges against JS in '98 in addition to the state's own child welfare authorities giving their good housekeeping stamp of approval to JS' naked bear hug from behind showering behavior.
Still begs the question of not going to the shower and showing Tim what/when/where.
Sitting in Tim's office just seems....non-urgent. But maybe that's just me.
