Dranov on the stand

[AvgUser]

It's disgraceful to have 11 year old practicing a sport up until 9:00 on a school night. That means it's very likely that those kids don't go to bed until 10:00, which in turn means that they probably will not get 8 hours of sleep a night.

Bed at 10. Awake at 0700. That's nine hours right there at a minimum.
Myth...BUSTED!

Not very many people have any problems with practice going until 0900 PM . In fact, you might be the only one who does find it to be offensive. I feel sorry for you.

 

[indynittany]

What do you mean "maybe he is, maybe he isn't?" He is. There is no "maybe" in this.

What makes you so certain of that? Which case can you cite with confidence that proves Jerry was guilty of a sexual act with a minor?

 

[getmyjive11]

Bed at 10. Awake at 0700. That's nine hours right there at a minimum.
Myth...BUSTED!

Not very many people have any problems with practice going until 0900 PM . In fact, you might be the only one who does find it to be offensive. I feel sorry for you.

Awake at 7? That is not typical. It's also not typical to fall asleep as soon as you go to bed. And the 10 was just a reference point. There is no doubt that many kids from that practice are going to bed after that.

 

[KnightSlayer]

It's disgraceful to have 11 year old practicing a sport up until 9:00 on a school night. That means it's very likely that those kids don't go to bed until 10:00, which in turn means that they probably will not get 8 hours of sleep a night.

Disgraceful? You are one weird dude. What time do you think school starts?

 

[pandaczar12]

Again, I'm only saying 10 because that's what the estimate was. I was being accused of using a lower age because I "had an agenda" and it made it seem worse than if I would have said 14.

Actually, you HAVE an agenda. I wish it was past tense.

 

[getmyjive11]

What makes you so certain of that? Which case can you cite with confidence that proves Jerry was guilty of a sexual act with a minor?

He is a convicted serial pedophile over nearly four dozen counts of various offenses against children. I'm not having a conversation this crazy conversation.

 

[getmyjive11]

Actually, you HAVE an agenda. I wish it was past tense.

And I ask again, what is my agenda?

 

[jansmuts]

Awake at 7? That is not typical. It's also not typical to fall asleep as soon as you go to bed. And the 10 was just a reference point. There is no doubt that many kids from that practice are going to bed after that.

Then you groaned, screamed into your pillow and lost your u-trou. GTFO!

 

[getmyjive11]

Disgraceful? You are one weird dude. What time do you think school starts?

8:30. Kids need to wake up, eat, get dressed and then possibly get transported to somewhere that they can be watched before the bus can pick them up. That takes a lot of time.

BTW, I know I said 8 hours, but 11 years old should get 9-11 hours of sleep.

 

[pandaczar12]

What makes you so certain of that? Which case can you cite with confidence that proves Jerry was guilty of a sexual act with a minor?

He's did it because they found him guilty, they found him guilty because he did it.

I THINK he is guilty of some stuff, but I can't be certain of whether he has boundary issues or is a serial criminal. Not sure how anyone can be based on what we know.

 

[pandaczar12]

And I ask again, what is my agenda?

You've never asked me that question before.

(I need your expert opinion, how many troll points does that response get me?)

 

[indynittany]

He's did it because they found him guilty, they found him guilty because he did it.

I THINK he is guilty of some stuff, but I can't be certain of whether he has boundary issues or is a serial criminal. Not sure how anyone can be based on what we know.

Not sure how a jury could have been either had the trial been fair.

 

[pandaczar12]

8:30. Kids need to wake up, eat, get dressed and then possibly get transported to somewhere that they can be watched before the bus can pick them up. That takes a lot of time.

BTW, I know I said 8 hours, but 11 years old should get 9-11 hours of sleep.

12-18 Years Old: 8 - 9 hours per day
http://www.webmd.com/parenting/guide/sleep-children#1

 

[indynittany]

He is a convicted serial pedophile over nearly four dozen counts of various offenses against children. I'm not having a conversation this crazy conversation.

One case. That's all I ask. I can be convinced. Heck, I was convinced until I learned of all the shenanigans the OAG pulled throughout this clusterf*ck.

On which one case can you hang your hat?

 

[pandaczar12]

Not sure how a jury could have been either had the trial been fair.

I'm not naïve enough to automatically assume an opinion based on circular logic. He might be a criminal mastermind who spent decades grooming the community, so he could victimize at risk children... He might be a goofball with a heart of gold and boundary issues that got railroaded. I have my opinion, but I can't say for sure, or tell others that they should think.

 

[pandaczar12]

One case. That's all I ask.

I predicted his response pretty well when I said "He's did it because they found him guilty, they found him guilty because he did it."

 

[getmyjive11]

You've never asked me that question before.

(I need your expert opinion, how many troll points does that response get me?)

I never said I asked you. A few people have said, in this thread, that I had an agenda. I have asked several times what that "agenda" is, but have never received a response.

 

[getmyjive11]

12-18 Years Old: 8 - 9 hours per day
http://www.webmd.com/parenting/guide/sleep-children#1

First off, we were talking about 11 year olds. Secondly, the National Sleep Foundation says that 11 year olds should have 9-11 hours.

 

[getmyjive11]

One case. That's all I ask. I can be convinced. Heck, I was convinced until I learned of all the shenanigans the OAG pulled throughout this clusterf*ck.

On which one case can you hang your hat?

All 47 counts are valid. And there are likely more victims (upwards of 20+) that may be added to the list.

 

[BUFFALO LION]

The boy was estimated to be 10 years old.

By who? McQueary? That's funny.

I have a hunch AM knows his own age better than McQueary does.

 

[Langmuir]

It's disgraceful to have 11 year old practicing a sport up until 9:00 on a school night. That means it's very likely that those kids don't go to bed until 10:00, which in turn means that they probably will not get 8 hours of sleep a night.

My son typically gets over 9 hours of sleep even on nights he has soccer practice, but thanks for your concern.

 

[getmyjive11]

By who? McQueary? That's funny.

I have a hunch AM knows his own age better than McQueary does.

No one has verified that AM is the victim. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't.

 

[getmyjive11]

My son typically gets over 9 hours of sleep even on nights he has soccer practice, but thanks for your concern.

Well good, do you think all the kids do?

 

[BobPSU92]

You know what happens when you assume.

Considering how ignorant "most people in this country" are about this topic, I would not want to align myself with them.

Nice way to go through life for getmyjive. I'll side with popular opinion, assume I'm right, and therefore feel better about myself for a few minutes.

In other words, I'll go through life not really knowing what I'm talking about.

 

[lionlurker]

Well this thread has deteriorated.

 

[BUFFALO LION]

I said 10 because that is what the age was estimated as. We still have no confirmation as to who victim 2 was (tons of speculation, I realize).

Well, we pretty much know one thing. If it's not AM, then the real Victim 2 is dead. And if the real Victim 2 is dead, he would have had to have been knocked off prior to Sandusky's conversation with Raykovitz in 2001.

If that's the case, the AG's office is knowingly letting a potential murderer run free with a $3 million dollar payoff to boot.

Now there's a REAL scandal!!!

 

[pandaczar12]

I never said I asked you. A few people have said, in this thread, that I had an agenda. I have asked several times what that "agenda" is, but have never received a response.

Maybe that's because the answer is so obvious, it's not worth a response?

 

[getmyjive11]

Maybe that's because the answer is so obvious, it's not worth a response?

Or because there is no response?

 

[pandaczar12]

First off, we were talking about 11 year olds. Secondly, the National Sleep Foundation says that 11 year olds should have 9-11 hours.

We've been talking about 14 year olds the entire time... how quickly you forget.

 

[getmyjive11]

We've been talking about 14 year olds the entire time... how quickly you forget.

Learn to read.

 

[pandaczar12]

Or because there is no response?

If that were the case, why would so many people allege it? Try some logical thinking... Do you think they all got together and decided to just start saying something that wasn't remotely true? Or do you think that a couple people who don't even know each other independently reached the same conclusion.

 

[pandaczar12]

Learn to read.

Perhaps it is you that needs to learn to read? Reading for comprehension and providing an on-topic response is a much better use of your time than attempting to insult someone.

Actually, I think AM was almost 14 at the time

I believe the victim was about 14

He was almost 14.

I was being accused of using a lower age because I "had an agenda" and it made it seem worse than if I would have said 14.

 

[BUFFALO LION]

It's disgraceful to have 11 year old practicing a sport up until 9:00 on a school night. That means it's very likely that those kids don't go to bed until 10:00, which in turn means that they probably will not get 8 hours of sleep a night.

Did you really go to bed at 9:00 in 7th grade??? That's the topic at hand. Not age 11.

McQueary had no idea how old AM was. But AM knew how old AM was.

 

[TenerHallTerror]

Did you really go to bed at 9:00 in 7th grade??? That's the topic at hand. Not age 11.

McQueary had no idea how old AM was. But AM knew how old AM was.

wasn't it a Friday night?

 

[BUFFALO LION]

wasn't it a Friday night?

Yep!

Heck, getmyjive wouldn't have even been allowed to go to one of his own high school football or basketball games. Our high school games never even started until 8:00.

 

[Mixolydian]

wasn't it a Friday night?

Lol. I was waiting and wondering when this would be pointed out. But I guess National Sleep Foundation guidelines got in the way. Maybe someone should have bought the kid a My Pillow. Good grief....

 

[TenerHallTerror]

Yep!

Heck, getmyjive wouldn't have even been allowed to go to one of his own high school football or basketball games. Our high school games never even started until 8:00.

just curious, does this jive dude ever get a fact correct?

 

[getmyjive11]

Perhaps it is you that needs to learn to read? Reading for comprehension and providing an on-topic response is a much better use of your time than attempting to insult someone.

Again, learn to read.

 

[getmyjive11]

Did you really go to bed at 9:00 in 7th grade??? That's the topic at hand. Not age 11.

McQueary had no idea how old AM was. But AM knew how old AM was.

Again, we don't know the age of the victim. Also, going to bed at 9 and being out somewhere at 9 are two different things.

 

[Mixolydian]

just curious, does this jive dude ever get a fact correct?

Remember jive is very angry. That clouds his ability to keep facts straight. Add to that the fact that he's not very bright and you get this type of behavior. He needs anger management.

And a lobotomy....