If you think that's normal, that's your opinion. We all know this wasn't one of Sandusky's adopted sons and there has been zero indication that MM, MM's father or Dranov even considered that possibility.
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Disagree. Most elementary school children are in bed by 9:00.
I'd be willing to bet they all thought he was one of Jerry's 2nd Mile kids and not some random kid he picked up on the street.
He also doesn't give a rat's @ss about all the innocent lives that have been destroyed (and the massive amount of collateral damage to untold innocents via PSU association) by this clearly PROSECUTORIAL MISCONDUCT FUELED WITCH-HUNT that he supports so doggedly (but he has no agenda or biases here - just ask him, LMFAO!). The way I was raised they have a term for moral-hypocrites like this.....worthless POS and a waste of good oxygen.
We don't know if they are innocent or not. That has not yet been determined and it may never truly be determined. I'm concerned that not reporting this incident may have led to other kids being molested. Is that not a valid concern?
Your willingness to allow others to be treated differently than you would demand to be treated including the complete and utter stomping of their Constitutionally-Guaranteed Rights & Protections as citizens, says everything I need to know about you - you self-righteous "oh it's the kids" moral-hypocrisy where you have no problem with lying OAG Prosecutors or their "henchman" investigators.... Give me a break with your grotesque HYPOCRISY and your I have no agenda or biases absurd bull$hit as your absurd ramblings prove - go shove it where the sun doesn't shine.
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Flaw #1: MM 'presumed' without confirming
Flaw #2: Do so-called "sexual sounds" make a different noise than shower water splashing on the floor of a tiled locker-room?
Testimony is that MM heard "Rhythmic slapping" upon entering the locker room I think it has been stated that there were three slaps. Hardly a rhythm and hardly enough to make any rational judgment whatsoever. Would pulsating water dropping to a tile floor also be rhythmic?
Apparently the folks from 1998 are in the other 0.1% of the population, including law enforcement and child protective agencies. What a stroke of misfortune.
You need to calm down. Caring about the kids and factually stating that we don't know about the innocence or guilt of the men involved is not hypocritical at all. Sandusky is a serial pedophile... reporting this incident may have prevented victims post 2001 from being molested. It angers me that he was free to do as he pleased. I'm not sorry if that bothers you.
Do you know who is in charge of determining the answer to those questions? Hint... the people who were never contacted.
Yes, your hint is one possible answer.
Another reasonable and logical answer is the person who heard and then witnessed something.
But, I will ask you. Does shower water hitting the floor make the same general sound as bodies slapping during sex? Is one noticeably louder than the other or are they generally the same volume? Are slapping bodies even within the realm of possibility since the boy was not in distress when mike glanced at him?
The fact is that someone who was very close to the situation just testified that given what he was told by the eyewitness, this was not a life-or-death situation. You don;t like that answer but it it the facts of the matter at this point.
Actually, I think AM was almost 14 at the time, which would have put him in at least 7th grade.
I know it's been a long time for me, roughly 50 years or more, but when I was in 7th grade, we would have basketball practice around 7:00 at the Junior High ( after the junior high varsity practiced - 8th and 9th graders). I took a lot of showers around 9:00 after practice in 7th grade.
Well, when I'm having this discussion with a 10 year old, and they say it happened late at night, you will have a point. Regardless, I believe the victim was about 14, but I do realize that 10 sounds way worse, which is why you say it.
I know quite a few people who's children go to bed well past 9:00 on weeknights. I'm not saying I agree with it, but it's not the 1950s anymore.
You are viewing the situation with hindsight, they likely would have had no idea if it was one of Jerry's adopted kids or not.
Most is not all, there are plenty of teens out there who are up past 9:00, and this wasn't an elementary school kid, so your point is moot.
I still don't understand how you don't feel yourself having to twist everything to make a point. That alone should tell you that you are wrong.
They are completely different sounds. And it doesn't need to be a life-or-death situation for the police to be involved.
I said 10 because that is what the age was estimated as. We still have no confirmation as to who victim 2 was (tons of speculation, I realize).
Please don't make it out to be more than it was? A) Do you know anyone who doesn't 'shower up naked'? B) He wasn't a little kid. He was almost 14. C) If Jerry calls the kid up and says "get your homework done and I'll take you up to PSU to work out after dinner", what's really wrong with that? It was reportedly 9:30 on a Friday night. No school the next day.
The problem wasn't the time of day or that they were naked. The problem was that Alan Meyers and Jerry were alone in the facilities, which left Jerry, TSM and PSU "vulnerable" to a he said/he said scenario.
The notes and emails clearly demonstrate that what PSU was trying to do was prevent that from happening going forward. They weren't concerned at all that Alan Meyers might go to the authorities because they did not believe abuse had occurred. But they were concerned that a situation like what happened in '98 could happen in the future.
My point is that no one can say for sure who the victim was or his age. I was just using the age of 10 because that was the estimation.
If you want to go by 14, fine. I still think it is extremely suspicious for a 14 year old and a mature man to be showering together at 9 PM with no one else present. I think most people in a similar situation (if they were merely just "working out") would bring the boy back to his house and let him shower there.
It is reprehensible that you are trying to defend a serial pedophile.
Some of this board, just beyond sad.
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These aren't your typical Beaver Cleaver kid with your typical Beaver Cleaver house. Plus, the mission of TSM was to help the atypical kids
These aren't your typical Beaver Cleaver kid with your typical Beaver Cleaver house. Plus, the mission of TSM was to help the atypical kids
Maybe he is and maybe he isn't. Not one person, including me, gave Jerry the presumption of innocence, which was his right in our constitutional system. That's why he deserves a new trial. Your hyperbole isn't helpful.
However, the discussion at hand revolves around the events of that one evening. Alan Meyers is on record stating that nothing inappropriate took place. Not one person involved, including MM, behaved as though they believed sexual abuse had occurred.
If Jerry is a serial pedophile, then his behavior that night can reasonably be seen as grooming. If he isn't, and he may not be, then what he did for this young man was all good.
What do you mean "maybe he is, maybe he isn't?" He is. There is no "maybe" in this.
Disgraceful? How so?
Disgraceful lies far near the bottom of what i would associate with 8-9:00 PM soccer practice .
It was estimated by someone who didn't have children. Before I had kids I had no concept about how old a child was just by looking at them.
The victim in the shower that night and JS can say for sure who the victim was and his age.
Again your hindsight bias shows up. MM couldn't have been sure it wasn't his adopted kid, and that they were alone. It happened so fast, for all he knew there were others around that he didn't see.... maybe still working out? Also, at the time JS was a saint, a local hero, his status made it so he could do such things and without suspicion... I suggest you read the Clemente report.
What REALLY was said when MM called his dad?
That's THE question I want answered.
MM felt the need to call dad. He was 28, right? At 28, I had been living on my own since 20. Undergrad and grad school.
I, personally, had (my dad is dead) a wonderful relationship with my pop. But, would I have called him (and no one else)? I doubt it.
My personality is such that I doubt I would've called anyone UNLESS I knew a crime was being committed. Why would I call anyone?
Certainly, I would have brought it up to my close friends either later that evening or the next day to discuss. At that age, I had enough of professionals in my life to ask them what to do, if needed. But, call my dad? I would not have called him.
Now, MM did indeed call his dad. They OBVIOUSLY spoke and discussed. Why would dad say to come home?
I just find it hard to imagine that MM called dad and said. "Dad? I'm at the Lasch and I...well..(choking back tears)...just saw Jerry Sandusky having sex with a kid."
Silence on the other end. Dad saying. "What?!?! Jerry Sandusky? Holy shit!"
Now, what would be a REASONABLE thing to say, next?
"Call the cops, Mike. Are you safe? Call 911. Do you want me to call?"
All of this makes sense "if" sex was taking place. So, this hypothetical didn't occur? Why? Sex must NOT have taken place.
So, dad said come home. MM did. They spoke late. No doubt, Mrs MCQUEARY found out what was discussed; Mrs Dr Dranov found out; other family members found out (you can't keep sh1t like this secret, btw, people love to gossip); girlfriends and or best friends found out.
Now, if Jerry really was (ahem) fvxking a kid in the shower, how could so many people NOT do anything.
Imagine a friend of yours coming up to you and saying. "Dude. Did you hear? Mike Mcqueary caught Jerry Sandusky fccking a kid in the shower last Friday?"
"WHAT?!?!?!?!? Seriously?"
"Yep. No kidding."
And as the gossip mile goes from one person to another, not one - NOT ONE - person calls the cops, tells MM to call the cops, confronts Jerry Sandusky or tells the media.
Not one.
So, Dranov is probably telling the truth.
It's disgraceful to have 11 year old practicing a sport up until 9:00 on a school night. That means it's very likely that those kids don't go to bed until 10:00, which in turn means that they probably will not get 8 hours of sleep a night.
Wasn't there some conjecture that MM called his girlfriend as well? Could it be that she is a lawyer?
Again, I'm only saying 10 because that's what the estimate was. I was being accused of using a lower age because I "had an agenda" and it made it seem worse than if I would have said 14.
If you would talk to anyone who knows about CSA, or read up on it, you would know that's even worse, because now would be taking the kid from a public facility to a home, where no one can see what you're up to.
