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DT, Derrick Tangelo opts out of Outback Bowl

Some of you need to quit crying. Game is meaningless even if they were playing. Best to get young guys some valuable experience to take into next season.
so are you one of the folks who has purchased their airfare, hotel, game ticket plus alloted spending money and are going to the game...I totally get that what the poster wrote about signing an agreement could be a starting point to changing this trend..bowl games are a joke anymore
 
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Well, everybody's sitch is different. I hope he made a good choice for him and his family. he showed some good flashes.

I am not sure the bowls are "dead" but they have clearly taken on the role of a simple exhibition. Maybe not as bad as the NFL's "pro bowl" but unless you are in the playoffs, the players don't seem to care.
Yep, if they don't care, why should I?
 
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so are you one of the folks who has purchased their airfare, hotel, game ticket plus alloted spending money and are going to the game...I totally get that what the poster wrote about signing an agreement could be a starting point to changing this trend..bowl games are a joke anymore
There's that angle. How about the backups who bust their tails but might never really see the field and still might not? I know I'd love seeing my team have a disadvantage why the elite can just walk away.
Why should these guys even show up? Yeah the scholarship is a big deal. Go a lower division and get a decent aid package and still pay not very much.
One friend was offered a great grant in aid package at Lafayette close to 20 years ago. He would have to pay $1500.00 a year.
 
so are you one of the folks who has purchased their airfare, hotel, game ticket plus alloted spending money and are going to the game...I totally get that what the poster wrote about signing an agreement could be a starting point to changing this trend..bowl games are a joke anymore
No I’m not going to game this year. But if I was I would be happy seeing the young guys get some experience. My life doesn’t change on a college football team winning the outback bowl. I would still enjoy the trip to warm weather and the fun going to the game which is why you go to bowl games like this.
 
Maybe we should expand the CFP to 8 teams then cancel the rest of the bowl games. You get 7 good post season bowl games. Let every team practice post season same as bowl eligible teams if they want to.
Yes, but that still does not deal with the issues around opting out.
 
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Wonder if some have already opted out during the regular season, or started playing not to get hurt? I can understand if you are going to be a high draft pick but this is starting to look odd.
Having played a little football, one of the best ways to get hurt in a game is to start playing not to get hurt. To me there is a distinct difference between not playing hard in games and opting out of a bowl game to avoid possible injury and prepare for the draft.
 
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No I’m not going to game this year. But if I was I would be happy seeing the young guys get some experience. My life doesn’t change on a college football team winning the outback bowl. I would still enjoy the trip to warm weather and the fun going to the game which is why you go to bowl games like this.
Well said. Let the kids play and see what they can do.
 
The eventual numbers 1 and 2 picks in the entire draft played in the dreadful Alamo bowl after the monumentally disappointing 1999 season. And the GOAT and eventual #2 pick played in the Fiesta Bowl just 4 years ago. Times are changing fast.
Yes they are.
 
Having played a little football, one of the best ways to get hurt in a game is to start playing not to get hurt. To me there is a distinct difference between not playing hard in games and opting out of a bowl game to avoid possible injury and prepare for the draft.
I've heard that, never believed it. I'm sure there are a lot of "business decisions" plays going on towards the end of regular season.
 
I agree with you. This is like buying expensive tickets to an Adele concert in Las Vegas, buying the plane tickets, paying for a nice hotel room, and then finding out just before the concert that Adele isn't going to show up and an impersonator will put on the show instead.

For those who bought game tickets, plane flights, hotel rooms, etc., the Penn State athletic department should offer to reimburse them for their expenses. I wonder if a class action law suit would be in order.
We could use Adele at LB right now.
 
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What is Franklin supposed to do? Ever hear of negative recruiting? Dear 5 star, don't go to PSU because they'll make it difficult to opt out and prepare for your draft combine. Agents and money obviously drive this show now.
But we are not talking about 5 stars.
 
Tangelo has plenty of film for scouts to view, from his all-ACC season and from his year at PSU. I can't see another game played making a difference.

But what will likely make a difference would be any injury, even a slight injury, that would negatively impact Tangelo's performance at the NFL combine, or during PSU's Pro Day. The NFL seems to give a disproportionate weight to combine performances. So I believe he is doing the smart thing, and for all we know Franklin has given him advice to do exactly what he is doing.

Regarding the upcoming game, PSU has plenty of young DT's chomping at the bit to get on the field. And I can't wait to see how the young DT's perform against a quality opponent, as a preview of what we may see next Fall.........
Why play in the Michigan State game on a very bad field then?
 
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If you do opt out, is the scholarship still in effect for spring semester ?
 
Lots of players are opting out but PSU has a disproportionate number.
PSU seems to have more players that will get their name called during the NFL draft than many other teams.

Clemson seems like a young team, for example, that is used their game as a preparation for a better 2022 season.

In the same way, Franklin getting the chance to play lots of his young talent that will be filling in for the opt outs is also getting a chance for early preparation for the 2022 season.......
 
Why play in the Michigan State game on a very bad field then?

Good luck getting an answer. I've been asking that question for a while.

I wouldn't presume to be in a position to share an opinion on a player's personal decision to opt out or not opt out. But I would love for someone, anyone, to discuss the logical inconsistencies of playing in a going-nowhere game against MSU on, as you said, a terrible field, but then opting out of the bowl game for fear of injury. That just makes no sense to me.
 
Good luck getting an answer. I've been asking that question for a while.

I wouldn't presume to be in a position to share an opinion on a player's personal decision to opt out or not opt out. But I would love for someone, anyone, to discuss the logical inconsistencies of playing in a going-nowhere game against MSU on, as you said, a terrible field, but then opting out of the bowl game for fear of injury. That just makes no sense to me.
It’s not illogical. Many posters on here will defend any position that even remotely reflects poorly on a player or coach. It’s off limits. It doesn’t matter if it’s inconsistent to them.
 
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Good luck getting an answer. I've been asking that question for a while.

I wouldn't presume to be in a position to share an opinion on a player's personal decision to opt out or not opt out. But I would love for someone, anyone, to discuss the logical inconsistencies of playing in a going-nowhere game against MSU on, as you said, a terrible field, but then opting out of the bowl game for fear of injury. That just makes no sense to me.
Two things:

1. Logic is out the window.

2. College Football, as we knew it, is likely in very serious trouble of imploding.
 
I think something needs to be done about this. Maybe even require the players to reimburse the school some non-trivial amount (the value of that year's scholarship, maybe?) if they opt out of the bowl due to anything other than injury/illness. Maybe with the school to pick up an insurance policy for anyone with a round 1 or 2 grade. If someone has paid good money to buy tickets and travel to a bowl game, they expect to see some semblance of the team that got to the bowl game. It's not fair to those who support the program that way to have people opting out, especially the week of the game.

There is a pretty small chance that a player will be injured badly enough in this one game to impact their draft stock significantly. Willis McGahee comes to mind - not sure he would have gone much higher - he was still drafted in the first round ahead of LJ Jr. even with his 3-ligament injury.
Bowl-game injuries to projected first-round picks Notre Dame's Jaylon Smith and Michigan's Jake Butt cost each of them millions of dollars as a result of injury.
 
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In the same way, Franklin getting the chance to play lots of his young talent that will be filling in for the opt outs is also getting a chance for early preparation for the 2022 season.......
Not the freshmen who played 4 games.
 
Bowl-game injuries to projected first-round picks Notre Dame's Jaylon Smith and Michigan's Jake Butt cost each of them millions of dollars as a result of injury.
True, but Butt said recently he would play again in that game if he had the chance. He had a number of injuries. That was his second ACL tear. He had at least one more in the NFL.

Smith wasn't even really hurt on a football play. He was shoved after the whistle by a tOSU lineman and landed awkwardly. Kind of a fluke thing. Smith says he doesn't regret playing in that game.
 
If you do opt out, is the scholarship still in effect for spring semester ?
Of course they keep their scholarship. Here's the deal. All these elite athlete football players are treated like primma donnas, completely removed from an average student. All of them who are opting out will not get any push back, none. Will not even get a question. If word got out and it would that PSU treated one of these opt outs shabbily or even questioned them why then that probably hurts our recruiting. They have all the leverage. The world we live in now.
 
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Sounds like Franklin is supportive of the opt out's, but naturally is focusing on getting his team ready to play, especially focusing on the new faces that will play more prominent roles due to those not playing....

He has to publicly support opt outs otherwise he would come off as a total jerk and it would crater recruiting.
 
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Good luck getting an answer. I've been asking that question for a while.

I wouldn't presume to be in a position to share an opinion on a player's personal decision to opt out or not opt out. But I would love for someone, anyone, to discuss the logical inconsistencies of playing in a going-nowhere game against MSU on, as you said, a terrible field, but then opting out of the bowl game for fear of injury. That just makes no sense to me.
Eventually that will come in some form. It takes a high level talent to start that trend and it will follow. It won't be as pervasive because the non playoff bowls are a level playing field for all. Once you creep into the regular season then you have important rivalry games etc. so they need to be careful that they don't cross the line from smart business move to preserve your health to quitting on your team. It will happen but it will be on teams with multiple losses and then they will probably try to hide behind a nagging injury excuse.

The only opinions these players care about are those who are in a position to draft them (NFL GMs, scouts, coaches, etc). The fact that fans may think they are a quitter means absolutely nothing to them.
 
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Some of you need to quit crying. Game is meaningless even if they were playing. Best to get young guys some valuable experience to take into next season.
With that experience they can then someday transfer or decline to participate in a future bowl game.

Just kidding although as a fan I hate what this sport has become, even if we were having success.
 
With that experience they can then someday transfer or decline to participate in a future bowl game.

Just kidding although as a fan I hate what this sport has become, even if we were having success.
I agree hating what it has become. Gotta adjust to the times. Getting young guys experience is a step in right direction
 
I agree hating what it has become. Gotta adjust to the times. Getting young guys experience is a step in right direction
Experience for what exactly? To tweet “I’m out” after Purdue throttled us in West Lafayette in Week 1 and effectively ends the season?
 
Good luck getting an answer. I've been asking that question for a while.

I wouldn't presume to be in a position to share an opinion on a player's personal decision to opt out or not opt out. But I would love for someone, anyone, to discuss the logical inconsistencies of playing in a going-nowhere game against MSU on, as you said, a terrible field, but then opting out of the bowl game for fear of injury. That just makes no sense to me.
I can give you an answer, and I am not saying I agree with it. The bowl game is more than just a game. It adds weeks and in this case a month to the season. The extra grind of practices and then the game is more risk than one week to get ready for the last regular season game.
 
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I can give you an answer, and I am not saying I agree with it. The bowl game is more than just a game. It adds weeks and in this case a month to the season. The extra grind of practices and then the game is more risk than one week to get ready for the last regular season game.

That's a fair point. Thank you.
 
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What is Franklin supposed to do? Ever hear of negative recruiting? Dear 5 star, don't go to PSU because they'll make it difficult to opt out and prepare for your draft combine. Agents and money obviously drive this show now.
Of course you're right... so the easiest thing would be for every football team to do the same thing.

So... it won't happen. But it would be nice.
 
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