fc on the last TD play, does OSU line up with 5 in the backfield? sure looks

[sluggo72]

that way to me, no wonder we had a hard time lining up!!
Look at the top with the 3 guys one is on the LOS the other 2 are off, then they have a TE an RB and the QB! What you say?

 

[lionroar88]

yep

 

[BBrown]

that way to me, no wonder we had a hard time lining up!!
Look at the top with the 3 guys one is on the LOS the other 2 are off, then they have a TE an RB and the QB! What you say?

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Wow I didn't know Reid's attempted tackle was that bad, I mean holy crap.
Oh and yea it sure looks like there were too many in the backfield.

 

[Columbus_Lion]

Oh come on...More things to look at than that. John Reid's wiff is a bigger issue.

 

[polecat]

that way to me, no wonder we had a hard time lining up!!
Look at the top with the 3 guys one is on the LOS the other 2 are off, then they have a TE an RB and the QB! What you say?

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By rule, to be “on the line of scrimmage,” a player’s head has to break the line drawn through the waistline (NCAA) or beltline (NFL) of the snapper.

 

[psuno1]

They missed a block in the back on 21 on the first OSU TD as well.

 

[Erial_Lion]

Looks like he’s good to me (obviously off the line more than the slot, but still even with back-side of the center). Also, the outside WR would have almost assuredly asked the ref on the outside as well to confirm, so if the official felt he was off, he would have pushed forward half a step.

 

[sluggo72]

Looks like he’s good to me (obviously off the line more than the slot, but still even with back-side of the center). Also, the outside WR would have almost assuredly asked the ref on the outside as well to confirm, so if the official felt he was off, he would have pushed forward half a step.

in the bunch, the inside guy is clearly in the backfield. It looks to me as the LOS is the 25 and the second guys foot is on that line, that leaves the outside guy who's foot is clearly behind the inside guys (whose foot is on the 25) the outside guy is back.
what comes compound the problem is PSU lines up 2 guys to our right (O's left) , but there is no one eligible to defend there, somebody should have gone over to left and we should have had at least had 4 over 3.

 

[Erial_Lion]

in the bunch, the inside guy is clearly in the backfield. It looks to me as the LOS is the 25 and the second guys foot is on that line, that leaves the outside guy who's foot is clearly behind the inside guys (whose foot is on the 25) the outside guy is back.
what comes compound the problem is PSU lines up 2 guys to our right (O's left) , but there is no one eligible to defend there, somebody should have gone over to left and we should have had at least had 4 over 3.

You don’t need to physically be touching the line to be on it, you’ve just got to break the center (which he does here).

 

[sluggo72]

You don’t need to physically be touching the line to be on it, you’ve just got to break the center (which he does here).

look at the endzone shot, and pause it, the center's feet are on the 25 yard line, the outside guys feet are no where close to the 25. He isnt breaking the center. We will disagree on this.


he is in the backfield

 

[Sunsox]

Even still wouldn't the outside receiver being on on the line make the inside receiver on the line ineligible? That would be a pretty good indication to the defense that the screen is coming.

 

[sluggo72]

Even still wouldn't the outside receiver being on on the line make the inside receiver on the line ineligible? That would be a pretty good indication to the defense that the screen is coming.

in theory the inside guy is ineligible, but IIRC the rule in college is that, ineligibles can be down field blocking provided the ball is thrown behind the LOS. Think tunnel screens where the OL releases and goes down field.
we werent lined up correctly on D IMO. and they were lined up illegally.

 

[Woodpecker]

Even still wouldn't the outside receiver being on on the line make the inside receiver on the line ineligible? That would be a pretty good indication to the defense that the screen is coming.

He looks like he is "close enough" IMO but that means that the guy in the slot, who is even closer to the LOS, is covered and should not be blocking downfield before the pass is caught. That rule may not apply for passes caught behind the LOS as this one was so I may be FOS.

 

[Sunsox]

in theory the inside guy is ineligible, but IIRC the rule in college is that, ineligibles can be down field blocking provided the ball is thrown behind the LOS. Think tunnel screens where the OL releases and goes down field.
we werent lined up correctly on D IMO. and they were lined up illegally.

I wasn't questioning illegal man downfield because the pass did not cross the line of scrimmage. I was simply indicating that when the defense sees an ineligible receiver in trips they should be alerted that the pass most likely isn't going down the field.

 

[CampbellLION]

We defended those receivers as if the far receiver was off the line. No other reason to put a defender on the middle receiver.

 

[sluggo72]

I wasn't questioning illegal man downfield because the pass did not cross the line of scrimmage. I was simply indicating that when the defense sees an ineligible receiver in trips they should be alerted that the pass most likely isn't going down the field.

agreed, BTW did you notice CJ Thorpe was in at DT on that play.

 

[sluggo72]

We defended those receivers as if the far receiver was off the line. No other reason to put a defender on the middle receiver.

and if the far receiver is off the LOS, they have 5 in the backfield. (Him, the slot, the TE wing, the RB , the QB)

 

[Sunsox]

You're right about the defense not aligned correctly sluggo. It was a matter of numbers. We had three guys on the left side basically covering the RB and now eligible LT and three on three on the right. It is obviously easy to say now watching the film, but Reid should have dropped off the ineligible receiver and covered the inside most guy or one of the guys on the left should have slid over.

 

[sluggo72]

You're right about the defense not aligned correctly sluggo. It was a matter of numbers. We had three guys on the left side basically covering the RB and now eligible LT and three on three on the right. It is obviously easy to say now watching the film, but Reid should have dropped off the ineligible receiver and covered the inside most guy or one of the guys on the left should have slid over.

is the tackle even eligible? I know in the pros they have to report, I do not know the college rule.

 

[Erial_Lion]

look at the endzone shot, and pause it, the center's feet are on the 25 yard line, the outside guys feet are no where close to the 25. He isnt breaking the center. We will disagree on this.

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he is in the backfield

The feet are irrelevant when it comes to the formation. The things that matter are the front of the receivers shoulders, and the center’s waist. The back of the center’s waist appears to be at about the 25 and 1/3rd to the 25 and 1/2, while the WRs shoulders are around the 25 and 1/3rd.

Plus, this is something where the WR will get the benefit of the doubt and only see it called if it’s blatant (same thing with the tackles drifting a little too far behind the line).

 

[Erial_Lion]

is the tackle even eligible? I know in the pros they have to report, I do not know the college rule.

That’s the confusing part for many, as NCAA and NFL are different rules. In the NFL this is an illegal formation for two reasons, their isn’t an eligible receiver on the left, and the slot guy is covered up.

In college, this slot man couldn’t go downfield on a pass across the LOS because he’s covered. However, since this pass didn’t cross the line, he can block downfield.

 

[sluggo72]

The feet are irrelevant when it comes to the formation. The things that matter are the front of the receivers shoulders, and the center’s waist. The back of the center’s waist appears to be at about the 25 and 1/3rd to the 25 and 1/2, while the WRs shoulders are around the 25 abd 1/3rd.

well we still disagree, the WR shoulders are in or behind the C ass as far as I see, making him off the line. Besides the black line is the LOS and that guy is clearly well behind it. I know the camera angle skews things. But still, and I am no official, I would think that for him to be on the line, he should be aligned evenly with the next inside receiver to avoid this confusion. At least in the NFL, they have tried to legislate this kind of confusion out of the game, I dont know the college rule.

 

[PSUcup1]

well we still disagree, the WR shoulders are in or behind the C ass as far as I see, making him off the line. Besides the black line is the LOS and that guy is clearly well behind it. I know the camera angle skews things. But still, and I am no official, I would think that for him to be on the line, he should be aligned evenly with the next inside receiver to avoid this confusion. At least in the NFL, they have tried to legislate this kind of confusion out of the game, I dont know the college rule.

thats my thought as well. its BS the official allowed him to line up like that

its one thing to be "off the LOS" when you are alone on the edge, but hes right next to another WR, and there is no way a defender would look at him and say he is on the LOS in relation to his teammate

 

[novaclassof90]

Why only 3 defenders out there to guard their 3, don't we need to get another guy out there pre snap????

 

[Erial_Lion]

well we still disagree, the WR shoulders are in or behind the C ass as far as I see, making him off the line. Besides the black line is the LOS and that guy is clearly well behind it. I know the camera angle skews things. But still, and I am no official, I would think that for him to be on the line, he should be aligned evenly with the next inside receiver to avoid this confusion. At least in the NFL, they have tried to legislate this kind of confusion out of the game, I dont know the college rule.

They don’t need to be completely parallel to each other because there is room to play with between the ball itself and the back of the center’s waist.

Very rarely will all 7 guys on the line be set-up at the exact same depth. One could be right on the ball, and another 2 feet behind him, and both be eligible .