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Some states do everything they can to help out athletics programs in their borders, that is something that California has never really been accused of doing. A state-wide travel ban has already caused some ripples with regards to scheduling for some teams and it seems lawmakers in Sacramento are back with a new constitutional amendment that could hamper schools ability to pay their coaches.

UCLA student paper The Daily Bruin passes along news that a new constitutional amendment was announced last week “that aims to restrict the University of California’s autonomy by reducing staff salaries, the length of regents’ terms and the authority of the UC president.” That first item is the biggest to take note of, which would institute a cap on non-faculty salaries to $200,000 per year — something that would affect everybody from coaches to the athletic director and everybody in between.

The University of California (UC) system most notably includes Pac-12 schools like UCLA and Cal, which means coaches like Chip Kelly and Justin Wilcox could be affected. To take Kelly as an example, he signed a five-year contract worth a total of $23.3 million when he was hired by the Bruins this offseason.

Head football coaches salaries are not typically paid completely by a school directly however, so there is some wiggle room should this amendment wind up passing. Often a separate athletics organization will foot most of the bill using funds raised from donors while other outside companies sometimes also get involved. Things might be a little more interesting when it comes to assistant’s salaries or non-football/men’s basketball head coaches and support staffers however, who could fall under the purview of the cap.

In other words, some creative accounting practices might have to be implemented by schools like UCLA or Cal or else they’ll be at a significant disadvantage compared to their private school peers like USC or Stanford as well as conference rivals like Arizona or Oregon.

It’s far from certain the amendment will pass given that it requires a two-thirds vote in the state legislature as well as passing muster on a state-wide ballot measure during a general election. We don’t typically see college coaches wade too far into political waters but, in this case, they might be forced to because its one that directly affects their wallets.
 
Some states do everything they can to help out athletics programs in their borders, that is something that California has never really been accused of doing. A state-wide travel ban has already caused some ripples with regards to scheduling for some teams and it seems lawmakers in Sacramento are back with a new constitutional amendment that could hamper schools ability to pay their coaches.

UCLA student paper The Daily Bruin passes along news that a new constitutional amendment was announced last week “that aims to restrict the University of California’s autonomy by reducing staff salaries, the length of regents’ terms and the authority of the UC president.” That first item is the biggest to take note of, which would institute a cap on non-faculty salaries to $200,000 per year — something that would affect everybody from coaches to the athletic director and everybody in between.

The University of California (UC) system most notably includes Pac-12 schools like UCLA and Cal, which means coaches like Chip Kelly and Justin Wilcox could be affected. To take Kelly as an example, he signed a five-year contract worth a total of $23.3 million when he was hired by the Bruins this offseason.

Head football coaches salaries are not typically paid completely by a school directly however, so there is some wiggle room should this amendment wind up passing. Often a separate athletics organization will foot most of the bill using funds raised from donors while other outside companies sometimes also get involved. Things might be a little more interesting when it comes to assistant’s salaries or non-football/men’s basketball head coaches and support staffers however, who could fall under the purview of the cap.

In other words, some creative accounting practices might have to be implemented by schools like UCLA or Cal or else they’ll be at a significant disadvantage compared to their private school peers like USC or Stanford as well as conference rivals like Arizona or Oregon.

It’s far from certain the amendment will pass given that it requires a two-thirds vote in the state legislature as well as passing muster on a state-wide ballot measure during a general election. We don’t typically see college coaches wade too far into political waters but, in this case, they might be forced to because its one that directly affects their wallets.

I think it's sad that the highest-paid public employee in 39 US states is either a football or men's basketball coach. Priorities certainly seem to be screwed up. That said, $200k is not fair compensation IMO given the demands placed upon these coaches. The problem is public schools couldn't be competitive even if the cap was $500k. I also don't like the idea of college coaches being paid by separate athletics organizations or private companies. The whole thing is a mess.
 
It's not sad when you consider the money coming into the school's non athletic coffers via the athletics success.

What psu employee brings in more money to the school than Franklin? Or Meyer , saban, coach k, etc
You're assuming that the money wouldn't come in if (all) coaches were paid less.
 
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You're assuming that the money wouldn't come in if (all) coaches were paid less.

There'd be less crime if more people followed the laws, too. But neither one can we reasonably expect to happen
 
There'd be less crime if more people followed the laws, too. But neither one can we reasonably expect to happen
I understand that UCLA can't be competitive if they pay < 10% of what other major colleges pay. It is what it is but I don't have to like it.
 
Seems the progressives here hate the Market Place. After all, it is the Market Place that decides the salaries of coaches. The progressives want o control everything about our lives, as you see they know best how we should live. The dream world of how things "should" be is not the world that is. If they are able to limit salaries to $200,000 per year the athletic staff of UCLA will be gutted. If eventually they can find a staff that will be able to win at that salary limit, it will be gutted again, as those coaches will move on to get fairly paid for their effort. California is becoming a grand experiment. I fear it is not going to end well.
 
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While we’re at it let’s take away all athletic scholarships too and play “Ivy League”. Put college sports back where it belongs. I’m being facetious of course - something like this would probably spurn a minor league professional organization. Uh, maybe not a bad idea.
 
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I don't think this is a terrible idea but the cap is too low and arbitrary.

If a state creates a cap for its schools like, no employee can have a higher salary than the president of the university, that is a reasonable policy in my mind.
 
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I don't think this is a terrible idea but the cap is too low and arbitrary.

If a state creates a cap for its schools like, no employee can have a higher salary than the president of the university, that is a reasonable policy in my mind.
I can see many college Prez saying they are all for that!
 
It's not sad when you consider the money coming into the school's non athletic coffers via the athletics success.

What psu employee brings in more money to the school than Franklin? Or Meyer , saban, coach k, etc

How much do they bring in?
 
200k UNLESS the contract is approved by their version of the board of trustees.

So basically a non issue

Not close to the same. First, the Board of Regents oversees the entire UCal system, not a particular campus. Second the Board would be required to hold public hearings when it considers approving salaries in excess of $200K.
 
Sure. Hey, why don’t we also place limits on the wealth of Congressional reps and Senators from that state are allowed to amass ?
 
Sure. Hey, why don’t we also place limits on the wealth of Congressional reps and Senators from that state are allowed to amass ?
It’s socialism that’s why not. You want someone restricting how much wealth you’re allowed to amass, no matter how hard you work or how smart you are? I’d rather not have some government regulation telling me how rich I can become. It’s a disincentive to ambition.
 
It’s socialism that’s why not. You want someone restricting how much wealth you’re allowed to amass, no matter how hard you work or how smart you are? I’d rather not have some government regulation telling me how rich I can become. It’s a disincentive to ambition.

So an employer is not allowed to impose a cap on salaries it will pay? First I've heard of that.
 
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It’s socialism that’s why not. You want someone restricting how much wealth you’re allowed to amass, no matter how hard you work or how smart you are? I’d rather not have some government regulation telling me how rich I can become. It’s a disincentive to ambition.
Yeah but this is about state universities setting salary levels, basically. And by extension it would differ by state and would not apply to private universities. It's not the same as what you are saying at all. Nobody is proposing to cap cap their wealth as far as I can tell.

There has always been this debate of whether coaches at state universities are state government employees, or if they are in some other category because the athletic department is basically self-funding. And then of course you have all this money accumulating to coaches and admins, and don't have to pay the players (actually you aren't allowed to). They really should work with the pro leagues to end this by creating a real minor league system for football, and turn this sport back into college football. The salary of Penn State's football coach has increased by 900 percent in 13 years. It's crazy. What other profession has had that type of wage inflation over the same period (a period which included a giant recession)?
 
It’s socialism that’s why not. You want someone restricting how much wealth you’re allowed to amass, no matter how hard you work or how smart you are? I’d rather not have some government regulation telling me how rich I can become. It’s a disincentive to ambition.
How do you think some of these reps amass fortunes of tens of millions of dollars on their salaries ?
An article from not long ago in Quantitative Economics found that as money managers, Senators outperform even hedge fund managers when it comes to investing. They aren’t that smart or talented at anything.
Many would call it insider trading. In the business world, you go to jail for it. In the political world, it gets you reelected.
That’s socialism.
 
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So an employer is not allowed to impose a cap on salaries it will pay? First I've heard of that.

Sure they can. But don't expect someone like Chip Kelly to hang around very long.

That state is a complete disaster. When I was a kid, everyone wanted to live there. It was the epitome of the American Dream. Now, the state's politicians have turned it into a complete dump. And it's getting worse. They get what they deserve.

Beautiful San Francisco!

 
Sure they can. But don't expect someone like Chip Kelly to hang around very long.

That state is a complete disaster. When I was a kid, everyone wanted to live there. It was the epitome of the American Dream. Now, the state's politicians have turned it into a complete dump. And it's getting worse. They get what they deserve.

Beautiful San Francisco!

I have been living here since I graduated from Penn State in 1975. Sorry but I don't deserve this.
 
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Sure they can. But don't expect someone like Chip Kelly to hang around very long.

That state is a complete disaster. When I was a kid, everyone wanted to live there. It was the epitome of the American Dream. Now, the state's politicians have turned it into a complete dump. And it's getting worse. They get what they deserve.

Beautiful San Francisco!


California has the 5th largest economy in the world. As in more than most countries. You have no idea what you're talking about.
 
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California has the 5th largest economy in the world. As in more than most countries. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Do you live here? If you don't then you don't know what you're talking about.
 
Yeah but this is about state universities setting salary levels, basically. And by extension it would differ by state and would not apply to private universities. It's not the same as what you are saying at all. Nobody is proposing to cap cap their wealth as far as I can tell.

There has always been this debate of whether coaches at state universities are state government employees, or if they are in some other category because the athletic department is basically self-funding.
And then of course you have all this money accumulating to coaches and admins, and don't have to pay the players (actually you aren't allowed to). They really should work with the pro leagues to end this by creating a real minor league system for football, and turn this sport back into college football. The salary of Penn State's football coach has increased by 900 percent in 13 years. It's crazy. What other profession has had that type of wage inflation over the same period (a period which included a giant recession)?

The large majority of university athletic department are not "self-funding" i.e. they rely on fund from their schools to support operations. All of the University of California System schools do (rely on school funds).
 
Sure they can. But don't expect someone like Chip Kelly to hang around very long.

That state is a complete disaster. When I was a kid, everyone wanted to live there. It was the epitome of the American Dream. Now, the state's politicians have turned it into a complete dump. And it's getting worse. They get what they deserve.

Beautiful San Francisco!


So the state is a complete disaster and it should continue to subsidize coaching salaries (as well as those of highly-paid, do-nothing university administrators, which is what prompted this in the first place)?
 
Have Coach Kelly claim he was molested when he visited PSU and our BOT will chip in with 3 million or so.
 
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Sure they can. But don't expect someone like Chip Kelly to hang around very long.

That state is a complete disaster. When I was a kid, everyone wanted to live there. It was the epitome of the American Dream. Now, the state's politicians have turned it into a complete dump. And it's getting worse. They get what they deserve.

Beautiful San Francisco!

Anybody else notice the poster for the missing dog attached to the grill ?
 
Some states do everything they can to help out athletics programs in their borders, that is something that California has never really been accused of doing. A state-wide travel ban has already caused some ripples with regards to scheduling for some teams and it seems lawmakers in Sacramento are back with a new constitutional amendment that could hamper schools ability to pay their coaches.

UCLA student paper The Daily Bruin passes along news that a new constitutional amendment was announced last week “that aims to restrict the University of California’s autonomy by reducing staff salaries, the length of regents’ terms and the authority of the UC president.” That first item is the biggest to take note of, which would institute a cap on non-faculty salaries to $200,000 per year — something that would affect everybody from coaches to the athletic director and everybody in between.

The University of California (UC) system most notably includes Pac-12 schools like UCLA and Cal, which means coaches like Chip Kelly and Justin Wilcox could be affected. To take Kelly as an example, he signed a five-year contract worth a total of $23.3 million when he was hired by the Bruins this offseason.

Head football coaches salaries are not typically paid completely by a school directly however, so there is some wiggle room should this amendment wind up passing. Often a separate athletics organization will foot most of the bill using funds raised from donors while other outside companies sometimes also get involved. Things might be a little more interesting when it comes to assistant’s salaries or non-football/men’s basketball head coaches and support staffers however, who could fall under the purview of the cap.

In other words, some creative accounting practices might have to be implemented by schools like UCLA or Cal or else they’ll be at a significant disadvantage compared to their private school peers like USC or Stanford as well as conference rivals like Arizona or Oregon.

It’s far from certain the amendment will pass given that it requires a two-thirds vote in the state legislature as well as passing muster on a state-wide ballot measure during a general election. We don’t typically see college coaches wade too far into political waters but, in this case, they might be forced to because its one that directly affects their wallets.
Not a problem, Chip and the a likes will become no show used car salesmen that get 5 million a year by a rich donor .... problem solved. Or a speaker like Hilary and Bill ... at $ 500K a pop to tell high school coaches that football is a contact sport.
 
Not a problem, Chip and the a likes will become no show used car salesmen that get 5 million a year by a rich donor .... problem solved. Or a speaker like Hilary and Bill ... at $ 500K a pop to tell high school coaches that football is a contact sport.

Sure, people just write $5mm checks year in, year out for something that isn't tax deductible all the time.
 
The large majority of university athletic department are not "self-funding" i.e. they rely on fund from their schools to support operations. All of the University of California System schools do (rely on school funds).

Even Cal?
 
Even Cal?
Yes, even Cal. But a lot of the funding for coaching salaries and other items comes from donors. Most of Justin Wilcox's salary comes from booster contributions.

That $200,000 cap will never fly. Hell, most of UCSF Med School's professors make in excess of $200,000. There are a LOT of them.
 
Yes, even Cal. But a lot of the funding for coaching salaries and other items comes from donors. Most of Justin Wilcox's salary comes from booster contributions.

That $200,000 cap will never fly. Hell, most of UCSF Med School's professors make in excess of $200,000. There are a LOT of them.

Underwater even after door contributions.

Provision applies only to non-faculty. Unlikely to pass because it needs a 2/3 majority in each chamber of the California legislature and then goes to a public referendum.
 
I can see many college Prez saying they are all for that!

i think you could get to a position of President is the max, and everyone else is down from there.

$200k in California is not that good a paycheck.

for almost every university the academic side that comes from students (who pay tuition) subsidize the athletic budget.
 
I think it's sad that the highest-paid public employee in 39 US states is either a football or men's basketball coach. Priorities certainly seem to be screwed up. That said, $200k is not fair compensation IMO given the demands placed upon these coaches. The problem is public schools couldn't be competitive even if the cap was $500k. I also don't like the idea of college coaches being paid by separate athletics organizations or private companies. The whole thing is a mess.

1. I think it's sad that the highest-paid public employee in 39 US states is either a football or men's basketball coach. Priorities certainly seem to be screwed up.
2. That said, $200k is not fair compensation IMO given the demands placed upon these coaches.

Your first two statements are directly in conflict with each other.
#1 is wrong. #2 is correct.
It's simple supply and demand. There are literally 10s of thousands of people that can be professors, administrators, etc. There are relatively few people that can run a successful elite football program which generates massive amounts of money for the university to fund many things.
Further, as you rightly note, the demands of being a high-level CFB coach are extreme. Travel, Time away from family, intense pressure to succeed, no job security. CFB coaches are responsible for 100+ people on a daily basis. They are managers of assistants/staff, mentors to students. They are responsible for the success of the largest revenue generator at most universities.
Plenty of people with a whole lot less pressure in their jobs make $200-500K a year. If CA passes this and there isn't an easy "loop hole" to allow a coach to receive a competitive salary, then all they have succeeded in doing is ensuring their football program will fail along with the entirety of the athletic dept and financial health of the university, and for what? The pursuit of some ridiculous socialist notion about income inequality and the subjective value one group places on the worth of a coach vs any other position at the university. If we are being honest, what the hell are most educationally focused people doing at universities these days? The inflation adjusted price of an education has more than doubled. Has the quality and value of a degree doubled? Has it even held steady? Most would say the value of a college education has declined in the last 20-25 years. Say what you want, but at least FB coaches paycheck and employment status is based on their performance. Meanwhile, educators pump out graduates with marginal skills with no consequences and are granted tenure so they can never be relieved of their duties. Almost every day I am reminded of why CA sucks and lament that they are mostly the bleeding edge of where much of the country is slowly headed.
 
1. I think it's sad that the highest-paid public employee in 39 US states is either a football or men's basketball coach. Priorities certainly seem to be screwed up.
2. That said, $200k is not fair compensation IMO given the demands placed upon these coaches.

Your first two statements are directly in conflict with each other.
#1 is wrong. #2 is correct.
It's simple supply and demand. There are literally 10s of thousands of people that can be professors, administrators, etc. There are relatively few people that can run a successful elite football program which generates massive amounts of money for the university to fund many things.
Further, as you rightly note, the demands of being a high-level CFB coach are extreme. Travel, Time away from family, intense pressure to succeed, no job security. CFB coaches are responsible for 100+ people on a daily basis. They are managers of assistants/staff, mentors to students. They are responsible for the success of the largest revenue generator at most universities.
Plenty of people with a whole lot less pressure in their jobs make $200-500K a year. If CA passes this and there isn't an easy "loop hole" to allow a coach to receive a competitive salary, then all they have succeeded in doing is ensuring their football program will fail along with the entirety of the athletic dept and financial health of the university, and for what? The pursuit of some ridiculous socialist notion about income inequality and the subjective value one group places on the worth of a coach vs any other position at the university. If we are being honest, what the hell are most educationally focused people doing at universities these days? The inflation adjusted price of an education has more than doubled. Has the quality and value of a degree doubled? Has it even held steady? Most would say the value of a college education has declined in the last 20-25 years. Say what you want, but at least FB coaches paycheck and employment status is based on their performance. Meanwhile, educators pump out graduates with marginal skills with no consequences and are granted tenure so they can never be relieved of their duties. Almost every day I am reminded of why CA sucks and lament that they are mostly the bleeding edge of where much of the country is slowly headed.
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-states-highest-paid-public-employee-college-coach-2016-9
 
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