Lots of rumors in CLE that the Browns are going to try and convince Allar to leave

[PSU4U]

More likely a fan rumor. If the team was going to do that they would not be telling the fans.

If Allar does go then so be it. On to the next guy.

Honestly if they offer him enough money he should go. I don't see him making major personal improvements next year. He has had three years to make personal critical improvements, and, in the end, we haven't seen it. What you could call improvement this year might be attributed to scheme and the way coach K used him. His biggest defects as a QB remain and was highlighted Thursday evening. Of course, this is just my opinion, and I would love to be wrong.

 

[LandoComando]

100% wring late first at best.

Let's pretend that's true. He should be entering the draft and is ready if he has first round consideration but the reality is Daboll isn't passing on him with his job on the line.

 

[Lion84]

Let's pretend that's true. He should be entering the draft and is ready if he has first round consideration but the reality is Daboll isn't passing on him with his job on the line.

My BIL is on staff with the Cardinals and was home for a quick visit over the holidays and I asked him about Allar and he said they have him late first maybe second - positives / good arm and decent mobility and negatives - less than ideal accuracy, need to improve reading defenses and pocket awareness - not ready to start day one and teams in round one with no established QB won’t take a chance but hey what does he know - mot an expert like you who posts sh$t 1000 times in each thread.

 

[LandoComando]

My BIL is on staff with the Cardinals and was home for a quick visit over the holidays and I asked him about Allar and he said they have him late first maybe second - positives / good arm and decent mobility and negatives - less than ideal accuracy, need to improve reading defenses and pocket awareness - not ready to start day one and teams in round one with no established QB won’t take a chance but hey what does he know - mot an expert like you who posts sh$t 1000 times in each thread.

He doesn't have to start day one to go early in the first. See Pennix. See Mahomes. See countless guys. Allar is drafted on upside like most players. Him being young helps that.
Late first/maybe second before a combine when he's throwing in shorts turns into Allar vs two guys with limited upside. I dont understand what you think here is against me. A bad organization that never wins thinks he's not better than Kyler isn't a problem
He's also one of the few QBs even asked to read a defense in college so interesting take

 

[knickslions]

Honestly if they offer him enough money he should go. I don't see him making major personal improvements next year. He has had three years to make personal critical improvements, and, in the end, we haven't seen it. What you could call improvement this year might be attributed to scheme and the way coach K used him. His biggest defects as a QB remain and was highlighted Thursday evening. Of course, this is just my opinion, and I would love to be wrong.

The kid is 20 years old. Some of you fail to understand that. Another year of college will be very good for him.

 

[bourbon n blues]

and they'll take him as the overall #2 pick. Obviously, it is difficult to get athletes to stay in CLE for lots of reasons. A hometown kid, like Kosar, is ideal. The idea is that the Browns still want Watson to play for a year or two while they groom a kid for the future...


Just a rumor.

He's not ready, but ready for Cleveland .

 

[bourbon n blues]

He will definitely be a first rounder. The NFL is littered with stupid people in charge of teams.

"You just might be the lunatic I'm looking for@?

😂😂😂

 

[bourbon n blues]

Obli, Drew would have a few things going for him in terms of draft stock this year. First, his raw potential and physical gifts. Second, a thin QB class which got thinner with Carson Beck's decision to portal to Miami rather than entering the draft. Third, the desperate hunger of NFL teams for quarterbacks and willingness to take risks on the chance of finding a guy who breaks through.

Still, even before last night's game, there was mixed opinion on where he would be drafted if he were to enter this year...though it's also true that in the last several days the media buzz connected with this possibility was getting louder and louder. But some "experts" still ranked him as, like, the #5 or 6 QB prospect on the board, and if I'm not mistaken, Mel Kiper put him pretty far down his own list.

I think Drew did not help his cause last night. I don't think there's much chance he'll enter now. And honestly, if he did, I think he'd be eaten alive in the NFL.

I think Drew had a pretty bad game against Notre Dame. Riley Leonard, who also didn't exactly light it up and who's projected to be, like, a 4th round draft pick had a better game in my view even with the two interceptions. Keep in mind that it wasn't just the dagger INT at the end. His numbers sucked. He missed throws. And he was bailed out twice by flags on what would otherwise have been backbreaking picks in the end zone.

In short, he didn't get it done. Like I said in another post, it's not all on him. I mean, zero catches by your wide receivers in a game of that magnitude is pretty damning.

In any case, over the last two years, I think Drew has had his moments. He's had some good games. He's made some throws where you say, yeah, here's the 5-star talent on display. But it's been inconsistent. And his form has often been flawed. And in several what you'd call big games, none bigger than last night, he's come up short.

I'm not looking to run the guy down or dump shit on him. He sure as hell has accomplished more on a football field than I ever did or could. But there's no sense trying to sugar-coat the reality either. Drew will not enter the draft this year...and he shouldn't. Anyway, that's just my opinion.

You're right. When you have the physical gifts you obviously have to potential, but many people just like him do not have necessarily other abilities that put them over the top. It could be decision-making, maybe focus, who knows?

It's possible he is close to his ceiling.

 

[bourbon n blues]

I don't agree. Look at the other QBs. Nobody is playing great in the playoffs. The exception would be Howard who sucked against Oregon and Michigan in the regular season but his team is just blowing everyone off their blocks right now. NFL isn't going to make a decision based on one back throw with a minute left and to a bunch of WRs that don't run their routes or hustle.

If you look at Riley Leonard, ND's xfer QB from Duke who is 18 months older than Allar, here are his stats:

• 15 or 23 65%
• 223 yards
• 1 TD
• 2 INTs

Greathouse had 105 of those 223 yards and the other WR had 25. 54 of Greathouse' yards came on a play where our CB fell down leaving him wide open for a 54 yard TD. There is no way you can tell me that an older and more experienced Leonard outplayed Allar.

All true, but not every year produces multiple all pro QBs.

 

[bourbon n blues]

Did the D throw that pick to end the game? Tie game, you have the ball, timeouts and a chance to win the game or go to OT. What can you NOT do - turn the ball over. What did Allar do - throw a pick. He was bad last night, plain and simple.

You can notice Singleton open in the flat, hit him, and hope he gets a block or two.

 

[bourbon n blues]

maybe. IMHO, the pro game and college game have been completely different products. I honestly don't care to ever attend an NFL game again. The fans completely suck. The players are just in that town for the money. At the same time, they try to tell you that you should be "loyal". **** that.

The college game is clearly going away but there has always been a true dedication to a university and it's brand. There is a nostalgia there from long time fans and/or alumni. There is a true love of PSU. I am not sure I know anyone who really "loves" the browns or steelers. They are more like hookers than lovers.

To me, I draw a big distinction between Allar (a kid that went to a school for a reason), Howard (a free agent portal pickup), Deshawn Watson, Wilson (Steelers) and Fields (steelers). I know which one I root for and why.

Pretty true, I think I attended one NFL game, didn't really give a crap about the product. I almost never watch it to tell you the truth. I watch Penn State wrestling in Penn State football, that's it.

 

[bourbon n blues]

I agree. But in the end, Drew has what cannot be taught....a cannon for an arm and physical size/strength. You take a look at people like Mahomes and Josh Allen. Mahomes wasn't a great college QB but had tremendous physical skills. Allen in Buffalo, played for Reedly and Wyoming colleges. I mean, how can you evaluate that other than he was big, fast and stong?

I don't think the NFL is going to judge him on one game. And I don't think they are going to fault him for one season, for the most part. It is clear that his WR corp is marginal. Most probably feel he hasn't gotten the best coaching. And clearly the NCAA limits the time a college kid can practice. The NFL is a whole new game that playing in college helps, but when you've played at Wyoming and become all - pro, certainly isn't the be all, end all.

Plus, there QB class this year is weak compared to previous years. The best of the bunch is CO's Sanders at 6'2" and 215 with Cam Ward who is almost the exact same size. Neither of them won all their games. Their stats aren't better than Allars

completion percentage, TDs and INTs

• Allar. 66.5, 24, 8
• Ward. 67, 39, 7
• Sanders. 74, 37, 10

now take into consideration the talent around him, strength of Schedule, weather and playoff games. I am not dissing those two QBs, justs stating that their stats don't jump off the page and that their environments were very different than Allar's.

Do you know how many physical talents were busts? More of them than we're all-star quarterbacks. Every year there's a physical talent coming out, but it's a.com I believe the mental abilities and emotional abilities that are gonna put you over the top. If you recall Chuck Knoblock and how he couldn't throw the first base from his second base position you could see how gold glove infielder just fell apart.

Quarterback might be the most complicated position in all sports, and while many people have the physical abilities to do it well to do it in a very high level might be beyond what most people can accomplish.

 

[bourbon n blues]

I agree. But in the end, Drew has what cannot be taught....a cannon for an arm and physical size/strength. You take a look at people like Mahomes and Josh Allen. Mahomes wasn't a great college QB but had tremendous physical skills. Allen in Buffalo, played for Reedly and Wyoming colleges. I mean, how can you evaluate that other than he was big, fast and stong?

I don't think the NFL is going to judge him on one game. And I don't think they are going to fault him for one season, for the most part. It is clear that his WR corp is marginal. Most probably feel he hasn't gotten the best coaching. And clearly the NCAA limits the time a college kid can practice. The NFL is a whole new game that playing in college helps, but when you've played at Wyoming and become all - pro, certainly isn't the be all, end all.

Plus, there QB class this year is weak compared to previous years. The best of the bunch is CO's Sanders at 6'2" and 215 with Cam Ward who is almost the exact same size. Neither of them won all their games. Their stats aren't better than Allars

completion percentage, TDs and INTs

• Allar. 66.5, 24, 8
• Ward. 67, 39, 7
• Sanders. 74, 37, 10

now take into consideration the talent around him, strength of Schedule, weather and playoff games. I am not dissing those two QBs, justs stating that their stats don't jump off the page and that their environments were very different than Allar's.

Another way to look at it just look at the position of tailback or wide receiver? I know they have to learn particular about the game, but those guys could walk right into the NFL and perform at a high-level. If you know the place and could run a route or know how to hit a hole, you could be all right out the gate. Quarterback is a little bit more complicated and many people just might not have the ability at the upper levels of what we see at the NFL.

Now look at how the game has changed since like in 1970s in the 80s? Not to put down Roger Staubach or Terry Bradshaw, but a guy like Fran Tarkington might fit this modern game a little bit better than say those guys. Of course if they came up at this point they probably have the mental and physical toughness to compete at the highest of levels. And that's because they would've been trained and coached similar to our current quarterbacks.

But Tarkenton would be something special these days.

 

[LandoComando]

Herbert and Stroud apparently should go back to school too

 

[PAgeologist]

As a Steelers fan I'm not sure an Allar led offense scares me that much.

What if the Steelers trade up and draft him?

 

[91Joe95]

What if the Steelers trade up and draft him?

Well, it wouldn't be as bad as that Pickett guy.

Allar has the physical skills, he's got decent mobility for now, he's only 20, he's had flashes of greatness, and there's real upside there. He also shows sloppy footwork, and whether he gets rattled or is simply inexperienced, too often he does not look composed under pressure. Steelers have historically feasted on QBs like that. If they draft him to sit and develop, he might reach his potential. If they draft him to play his first year he could get ruined. Doesn't mean a team won't take that risk, but if it's the Steelers I will be rooting for him to develop, not start any time soon.

 

[MacNit2.0]

Mahomes completed 67.5% of his passes for 41 TD/10 picks in the Big XII
Allar completed 66.6% of his passes for 24 TD/8 picks in the Big Ten without a legit WR
Not sure how we're saying either season wasn't great. Allar has 10 picks over 2 years and 28 games. Mahomes threw 10 in 12 games his final season after 15 the year before
Obviously he's not Mahomes today but the fact anyone thinks he wouldn't go in the first after the FACT it was confirmed that teams have been talking to his agent trying to get him to enter the draft is just pure denail
People see what they want--too many here don't comprehend what Allar accomplished this year with a new OC, without a legit WR and an offense that wasn't throwing it 50 times a game (Mahomes threw it 49.5 his senior year)--Allar (24.6)
Imagine what numbers Allar could put up in a spread offense that doesn't require to him go through progression like Mahomes played in

Mahomes is very likely the best QB in NFL history.

 

[LandoComando]

Mahomes is very likely the best QB in NFL history.

Agreed