Dany is no more of a "bitch" or arrogant than any of the male kings. People are pointing out the bad moves she has made, but wtf in power in this series hasn't made bad moves? Misogyny is never directly stated.
Dany is no more of a "bitch" or arrogant than any of the male kings. People are pointing out the bad moves she has made, but wtf in power in this series hasn't made bad moves? Misogyny is never directly stated.
All I know is that we are going to lose some characters that are going to make us feel like we were kicked in the ba**s.
Good list, but I think Jaime might survive a tad longer, and that Gray (Grey?) Worm might belong on this list. His parting kiss with Missandei suggested that possibility to me. Who knows?
It might be pretty amusing to see the development of some kind of love triangle between Jaime, Brienne and Tormund.
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I didn't notice your response initially because it's buried in the quote. That said, I disagree about holding Jon. She has zero reason to believe or trust him (and when he provides proof, she does) no matter what Tyrion says. As for ignoring good advice, I don't recall any instances where anyone gave her any really good advice...such as, 'Hey - take King's Landing with your army, conquer Westeros (should take about a day or two), and then we'll deal with whatever is North (at a minimum they'll have to travel a lot further).' I'll have to go back and watch S1 again to refresh my memory concerning Drogo's death. I do not recall Dany being that arrogant then (but could be mistaken); my recollection is she (and Drogo) are furious about the attempt on her life and he sacks towns looking for an army. She also saved the maegi (and others being attacked/raped) who ended up cursing Drogo.
It's hard to predict what will happen when it comes to GOT, but I think interpreting Dany's removing her hand from atop Sansa's (and her brief exchanges with Jon Snow) as "setting her up to turn bitch" is a bit of a stretch. Could be, but I'm not at all convinced of it.
The earlier part of Dany's convo with Sansa was pretty warm, and Sansa appeared to regard Dany in a new light (she clearly loves Jon, is there fighting "Jon's war," etc.). Seems like Dany could, if she chose, defuse the whole thing by suggesting that, if they survived the battle with the Night King, she and Jon would rule together. But she likely needs to have Jon confirm his intentions, now that Jon has revealed his heritage to her. Are they still gonna be a couple now that they are aunt and nephew? Does Jon intend to press his claim for the Iron Throne, or is he still loyal to Dany as would be Queen?
I might add that the determined (some might say grim) nods that Dany and Jon exchanged atop the battlement at the very end of Episode 2 could be interpreted either as "We've got some serious issues to work out," or, as I perceived it, a mutual acknowledgement that it was time for them to go get the dragons and unleash some D&D (death and destruction) on the Night King's army.
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One thing not entirely clear is what Jon thinks about finding out who he is. His entire life he's been lied to (yes, to be protected, but still...); he knows humility and honor in large part because he felt he had so much to prove to everyone and was willing to do anything (including joining the Night's Watch) because of it. Now that I think of it, what a turd Ned was for allowing Jon to do something so permanent. I get the politics of keeping his identity secret, but there has to be a better option than taking the black as it were.
If Dany does that, she is just helping the Night King, no?. The Night King likely cannot be defeated without Dany and her two dragons getting into the thick of things and, given his ability to make wights out of everyone who gets killed, the Night King would just get stronger if Dany delayed.
My recollection is a little fuzzy with respect to Arya's weapons training. Ned would not let her train with the sword. But didn't she train, using Needle, with a sword master in King's Landing? She's obviously adept with throwing knives and shooting arrows as well. She must have picked some of that up from her time with the Faceless people (or whatever they are called)..
But I don't recall seeing her using a staff in prior episodes. Perhaps I just missed or forgot about it?
Hard to believe that Jon would press a claim on the throne. he bent the knee and is a man of his word. More likely he or she dies somewhere along the way, and the issue is resolved
At the time, Robert was still king and had been in love with Jon's mother. Robert would have killed Jon if he knew the truth.
It would be closer to Kings Landing than the Iron Islands. Kings Landing escaping to the Iron Islands would be like Florida evacuating to Hawaii.
That said, yes, there are similar stories of White Walkers/Others in Essos. In the far away kingdom of Yi-Ti something called the Lion of the Night raised the dead to fight the living. It's likely the Children of the Forest got the spell to create the Night King from something that already existed, likely from Asshai.
https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Long_Night
How do you know this? Are you inferring it from the quick glance we got in Episode 1 at Arya's design of the weapon? It was a bit inconclusive to me, but I wouldn't discount this as a possibility.
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I didn’t say he had to tell the truth - just steer Jon towards another less permanent/awful career.
I have to laugh every time I see that place name in print. It's far too close to "asshat" for me to take it seriously.
She trained with a wooden sword with the master in Kings Landing. I believe when she sparred with the Waif, she trained with a staff. I recall when she was blind, she was using a staff in her sparring sessions.
I'm not sure the weapon goes to all of her weapons training. I thought it simply looked like a staff. If you remember when she was being trained by the Faceless people, they mostly used staffs. Remember the scene/episodes when Arya was blind and she was begging on the streets, that one girl who had it in for Arya would beat Arya with a staff. Just seemed like the weapon of choice amongst that group.
I think taking the black was the only way to place Jon beyond the reach of King Robert if it was ever discovered who Jon was. It was the only fail safe option.
I don't recall Varys having any dialogue in this episode, but he was giving a lot of sidelong glances. I think the young girl in the Davos scene is one of his. He is working something behind the scenes.
OK, wood sword, not Needle. Thanks, WPB.
Re Arya, and people speculating who might be next to go, I'm wondering if she might have some kind of plan to don a face that would get her close to the Night King and give her the opportunity to stick him with the point of that dragon glass staff. She likely wouldn't survive something like that, but it would make for great watching, and it would cement her rep as the Numero Uno Badass Female. ("Mounted a dude, lost my cherry, and offed the Night King. All in a day's work.")
Re Arya, and people speculating who might be next to go, I'm wondering if she might have some kind of plan to don a face that would get her close to the Night King and give her the opportunity to stick him with the point of that dragon glass staff. She likely wouldn't survive something like that, but it would make for great watching, and it would cement her rep as the Numero Uno Badass Female. ("Mounted a dude, lost my cherry, and offed the Night King. All in a day's work.")
I am 50/50 on the crypt thing and the young girl with the burn mark.
Crypt theory - On one hand it does make a good story line that all the women and children, plus some key characters (Sam, Tyrion) are going down to the crypts for "safe keeping" but then end up being trapped inside as those dead are resurrected.... But, on the other hand it does not seem practical. When a body is buried in a crypt, it is placed inside a coffin and then the coffin is encased inside cement or stone. The dead do not have super-human strength. It took a gud-zillion of them to knock down a crappy wooden fence at Hardhome, But now we are to believe they can individually bash their way out of a sealed coffin which is encased in cement/stone????
......... But hey. This show has us believing in flying dragons, burning swords, witches, giants.... so why not this.
Young girl with burn mark - OK. Let's play along and say she is a plant sent by Cersei. The obvious move would be for Cersei to send her up to Winterfell with some of that Green Fire that totally nuked Kings Landing. It seems like a small girl can walk around Winterfell right now totally un-checked from suspicious eyes. Could she not simply walk to a key part of Winterfell and ignite that Green Fire without having to go down into the crypts?? Cersie would not know they plan is to have the women/children go hide in the crypts. IF this were her plant, then would she not have simply instructed this girl to make her way down to the basement area as soon as getting to Winterfell and igniting the Green Fire??
......... Again, some things make no sense. It made no sense for 7 guys to go north of the wall, take on the entire dead army and the white walkers just to kidnap a wight, to try and prove to Cersei they are real.
Crypt theory - On one hand it does make a good story line that all the women and children, plus some key characters (Sam, Tyrion) are going down to the crypts for "safe keeping" but then end up being trapped inside as those dead are resurrected.... But, on the other hand it does not seem practical. When a body is buried in a crypt, it is placed inside a coffin and then the coffin is encased inside cement or stone. The dead do not have super-human strength. It took a gud-zillion of them to knock down a crappy wooden fence at Hardhome, But now we are to believe they can individually bash their way out of a sealed coffin which is encased in cement/stone????
......... But hey. This show has us believing in flying dragons, burning swords, witches, giants.... so why not this.
Young girl with burn mark - OK. Let's play along and say she is a plant sent by Cersei. The obvious move would be for Cersei to send her up to Winterfell with some of that Green Fire that totally nuked Kings Landing. It seems like a small girl can walk around Winterfell right now totally un-checked from suspicious eyes. Could she not simply walk to a key part of Winterfell and ignite that Green Fire without having to go down into the crypts?? Cersie would not know they plan is to have the women/children go hide in the crypts. IF this were her plant, then would she not have simply instructed this girl to make her way down to the basement area as soon as getting to Winterfell and igniting the Green Fire??
......... Again, some things make no sense. It made no sense for 7 guys to go north of the wall, take on the entire dead army and the white walkers just to kidnap a wight, to try and prove to Cersei they are real.
Yes, I read that interview with the director or whomever it was.
Why regurgitate it.
Any thoughts of your own?
All the comments concerning the crypts suggest that SOMETHING is gonna go down there, and Cersei is certainly devious. But blowing up Winterfell and killing Dany and her dragons/army does not seem to me to be in Cersei's interest. At least not while the Night King and his minions are still a threat. Cersei needs Dany and the Night King to fight each other, and hope that a weakened but victorious Dany is the result.. Maybe this little girl has been instructed to wait until after the battle with the Night King is over, and then blow up whomever remains?
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We know Melisandre will return.
Wouldn't the Lord of Light be more interested in the battle of Winterfell, than a dispute between the Lannisters and their adversaries.
Of course we know Melisandre is not really that lovely woman; perhaps she reappears in some other guise.
Wouldn't the Lord of Light be more interested in the battle of Winterfell, than a dispute between the Lannisters and their adversaries.
Of course we know Melisandre is not really that lovely woman; perhaps she reappears in some other guise.
Weird response. First off, I didn't read that interview. And, even if I had, by you suggesting some ulterior motive for the girl, it would appear that you hadn't read it and, thus, I thought I was providing useful information.
The little girl could be a faceless. Sent to town to kill someone specific (Arya, Tyrion, etc).
She has never seen a White Walker or someone who could get close to the Night King, so how could she replicate said face? She was just asking what it was like to fight them, and had no clue what they were like.
And IMO, this entire thing about wearing a face to get close to someone in order to kill them just bugs me for some reason. OK, lets say you are Mission Impossible-like ab
Very true. I agree. Cersei's best wish would be for the Dany/Stark forces and the Night King Army to destroy each other down to almost nothing on either side. Then she would be there to clean up what's ever left and rule with no resistance. Would not make sense for her to destroy Winterfell yet.
Speaking for myself, I've never called her a bitch. Arrogant yep, plenty of times. As I've said before I haven't liked her since her brother got crowned. As for misogyny, I don't think that's fair when we're talking about a TV show. But for the record I'll list the people I thought were good kings/queens and the good ones that challenged for the throne...... Zero. None of them, not Cersei, Dany or her brother, Stannis, Joffrey, Renly, Robert, Rob Stark, Tomlin or Margery Tyrell. I've been consistent on not liking her for a long time, there is no misogyny in my viewpoint.
P.S. Joffrey was indeed a bitch.
Yeah, I thought about that. Maybe she finds a wight that has been rendered sufficiently inoperable for her to use its face? Or possibly a White Walker gets killed during the battle, and she uses ITS face? I was just spitballing, but I think she is gonna use her faceless skills at least once more.
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I sort of have the feeling there is only one Faceless Man - and one woman. Jaquen is Death, the (literal) God of Many Faces; Arya is Death Jr. I mean, how many more of these guys can there be? They're like Sith it seems...
I found the article linked below particularly helpful in terms of clarifying the distinction between White Walkers and Wights. I also found it interesting to read that if you kill a White Walker, you also kill all of the Wights that White Walker raised from the dead. This suggests a clear battle strategy for Dany and Jon. Go after the Night King and the other White Walkers.
https://www.thisisinsider.com/game-of-thrones-white-walkers-wights-skeletons-difference-2017-8
https://www.thisisinsider.com/game-of-thrones-white-walkers-wights-skeletons-difference-2017-8
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S8E3 - GET. HYPE.
What we're in for:
The Battle of Winterfell is on.
Above is HBO’s trailer for Game of Thrones season 8, episode 3, where the Night King and the Army of the Dead attack the Stark stronghold. The episode is the first of two this year directed by Emmy winner Miguel Sapochnik, who famously helmed “The Battle of the Bastards” and “Hardhome.” The episode is also the first super-sized entry of the season as the last four episodes are all nearly 80 minutes long.
The placement of the big battle in episode 3 will no doubt surprise some fans who were expecting it to come later as it’s been long teased as the show’s climax. But none of the previous trailers or photos have shown even a glimpse of the mysterious second half of the final season.
What we're in for:
The Battle of Winterfell is on.
Above is HBO’s trailer for Game of Thrones season 8, episode 3, where the Night King and the Army of the Dead attack the Stark stronghold. The episode is the first of two this year directed by Emmy winner Miguel Sapochnik, who famously helmed “The Battle of the Bastards” and “Hardhome.” The episode is also the first super-sized entry of the season as the last four episodes are all nearly 80 minutes long.
The placement of the big battle in episode 3 will no doubt surprise some fans who were expecting it to come later as it’s been long teased as the show’s climax. But none of the previous trailers or photos have shown even a glimpse of the mysterious second half of the final season.
She is clearly planning to take Bran's place and try to assassinate the night king should he get close.
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I think it'll be in the second half of the season. If E3 is the battle against the Night King (and it's settled there), we still have three extended episodes left...
