FC/OT: Millennial Men and the labor market...

[Cosmos]

Yeah, people just want to pretend that this isn't coming. If a company like amazon can get rid of its biggest cost, people, then it will be thrilled to do so.
the technology is there. Already, most of the warehouses operate autonomously for the most part. Huge swaths of middleclass jobs are going to be decimated.

The promise of complete autonomy has been a long time coming. It just didn't rear its head with the Google Car. And there will never be such a thing as 100% autonomy. Machines breakdown, programs will contain errors. If huge swaths of the middle class are decimated then who will be left to buy the products? Amazon will have no customers. Lastly, autonomous vehicles will mean big business for liability lawyers.

 

[Cosmos]

We've established that the article hits on specific individuals/behaviors, not to indicate that they're universal, but to outline that some "perspectives" rarely seen in the past are more evident now.

Doesn't every generation say that about preceding ones.

 

[Cosmos]

Great thread and some great points.

There is something to the fact that we are healthier and more stable and more informed than at any time in human history. That’s changed more in the last 75 years than the previous 7500. So to an extent many are victims of our success if you will.

That said, post ww2 any moron could get a job that paid a living wage. A little house, a Ford in the driveway, a pension, a feeling of community in a union...those days are gone. My dad graduated from psu in engineering and immediately made 3x what his annual tuition was; that ain’t happening today. Most of the “back in my day” types wouldn’t get into psu today, let alone get a decent job in whatever field or area they started in. The problem is that frustration for millennials has turned into laziness for many.

The cream rises to the top; the kids I work with in investment banking are some of the smartest, most ambitious people in the world. They get wanting to make a difference, and wanting to be fulfilled, but they also get working hard and profit and loss and good decision making.

It’s a fact there are less at-bats for the bottom 90 percent of young people these days. Many think they deserve the opportunity their grandparents had, to make a living wage in areas that produce next-to-nothing anymore. Ain’t happening. Adapt or perish.

Good points. I would only add in reference to "any moron", post WW2 we were enjoying the spoils of war. And we earned it. We earned it by standing shoulder-to-shoulder in the face of scum-sucking evil. I'm not sure we have the fortitude to do it today.

 

[Cosmos]

Very interesting article. Why this is the case has been discussed/debated in the thread. There may be other reasons too.

One point made in one or more posts is the impact on jobs, present and future, by technology. We are just seeing glimpses of the impact now and there may be very few future jobs which are totally insulated from technology.

For example, I heard a futurist make the point very clearly. He said to imagine it is 30 years from now. A person is in need of surgery. (S)he knows a Harvard educated surgeon, who graduated top of his class and possessing a 170+ IQ.

However, there are fewer and fewer jobs for human surgeons. You see, there now are android surgeons with IQs of 10,000. They have ALL medical knowledge and can instantaneously evaluate any and all medical issues. Of course the android can do incisions with a preciseness not possible for any human.

Will there be a future paradise where all of human needs are taken care of by technology, self-actualization is reality from the get-go, and body parts are replaced as needed, or a hellish existence where crime and anarchy run amuck due to boredom, very scarce resources, etc? Will there be a singularity where artificial intelligence becomes self-aware and takes a long, hard look at the weak water bags (humans) and decides we are no longer needed?

Both worlds seem to be possible.

Let's hope that android surgeon operates on the right limb.

 

[KnightSlayer]

Many of you put forth ideas that are absolutely on the mark, the softness of the millennials, the coddling that caused it, the great options like driving truck or military service. All dead on IMO. However, in my mid-40s, I can admit that generations before mine were successively tougher and had stronger work ethic. It’s not just these millennials, it’s been a slow degradation of work effort tied to less physical work, greater standard of living, less threats, and more coddling. But unfortunately for these millennials, I think they are close to a breaking point. We cannot continue to increase our standard of living under a generation that never had to work and now almost refuses to unless there is a playground environment and not too much pressure.



A quote by Michael Hopf, “Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”



Well, we have created a generation of weak men and that doesn’t bode well for our future as a Nation. I think the emphasis DOES need to be placed on parents to be parents and teach kids responsibility, don’t fight their battles for them, develop a little mental and physical toughness. But that takes toughness on the part of the parent. It’s easy to be a buddy. It’s easy to let it slide. It’s easy to pay for that new whosiewhatsit. But dang it, make your kids work for things they want. It’s the best thing you can do. I believe that our happiness is mostly derived from things we create, things we achieve, people we impact, not from what is handed to you or the newest this or that. Kids are struggling more mentally right now BECAUSE they don’t work for what they want and their self-worth sucks because everybody gets the same trophy and they didn’t have to work for any of it.


You want to change that. Start at home. Make kids take on responsibility around the house. Make them work the pushing carts at Sam’s club type of jobs or McDonalds or mowing lawns and shoveling snow. Join the military. If the kid is soft, there is a good chance this will change that and in a hurry. I did, made money off of going to college, was sent back to get masters making 6 figures as a grad student, and retired in my early 40s. Yeah, you’re going to spend some time in combat zones but that is part of the deal. Or just go and do an initial commitment, leave with the post-911 GI bill to pay for 4 years of college, tons of training and experience leading, and a little understanding of real work ethic.

Or maybe some people decided there are better ways to live life than slaving away in a shit job making shit wages and barely keeping their heads above water. Move in with their parents, stop being a mindless consumer, live on a budget and, pursue something meaningful. This guy wants to be an EMT. What's wrong with that? Kids also get a live in grandmother.

 

[jrd23psu]

So, rather than taking a $100,000 per year job for the next 15 years, it is better to jack off in your parents’ shower since the job will, ultimately, (possibly?) become obsolete in a decade and a half or so?

Even if you’re right, you’re wrong. And I think you’re wrong that truck driving won’t exist in 15 years.

Or, and this is a crazy idea. They don’t want to be a ****ing truck driver?

People in this thread are acting like this is some no brainer. What is happening?

 

[jrd23psu]

YES! The Baby Boomer generation that got a FREE ride to college via (AHEM) SOCIALISM by the WWII generation, went to work and collectively whined that THEIR taxes were going to Millennials! FVCK THEM! They collectively said.

And, fvck them they did.

Boomers were handed the closest thing to a perfect world this country has ever seen as far as economy and opportunity goes (for specific race/gender) and they took it, and took some more, and then turned their backs on every generation after them and told them to go **** themselves.

The “**** you I got mine” generation.

 

[djr4rebs]

Or maybe some people decided there are better ways to live life than slaving away in a shit job making shit wages and barely keeping their heads above water. Move in with their parents, stop being a mindless consumer, live on a budget and, pursue something meaningful. This guy wants to be an EMT. What's wrong with that? Kids also get a live in grandmother.

Easy now. Different ideas don't float well.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Or, and this is a crazy idea. They don’t want to be a ****ing truck driver?

People in this thread are acting like this is some no brainer. What is happening?

When did this thread become about truck driving? Look - I’m all for hedonism and ‘doing me’, but this guy has kids and at a certain point your happiness/self-fulfillment has to give way to their survival/success. Unless you think his parents will be around forever to care for them. If this guy has no kids then yeah - stay in the basement and do chores for your allowance. No biggie.

 

[ForesterGump]

Boomers were handed the closest thing to a perfect world this country has ever seen as far as economy and opportunity goes (for specific race/gender) and they took it, and took some more, and then turned their backs on every generation after them and told them to go **** themselves.

The “**** you I got mine” generation.

Thank you for exemplifying the generational divide. Boomers are greedy. But, somehow demanding you have the same "opportunity" isn't greedy. Isn't that showing that you feel you're entitled? Or, maybe you're just a victim.

What was the opportunity that the boomers had that was so superior? High inflation, extravagant interest rates, energy crisis, race riots? None of those were of their doings. They were foisted on them by the politicians. The same as many of today's problems are caused by politicians.

Your last statement of "***** you I got mine" is the best part of the divide. Boomers have earned what they have, just like the generations before them. All they're saying is get off your butts and start earning yours. The opportunity is there. Making the best of it is up to the millenials.

 

[Nitt1300]

The military has changed to accommodate the younger generations. A good example is women in combat roles. It remains to be seen if it works. I wonder, why introduce the sexual component to frontline units when the focus is on unit cohesion? For example, you're in a foxhole with Bobby and he's got the hots for Mary Jane, two foxholes away. What happens when the enemy attacks. Chivalry takes over. Bobby bolts, leaving you in your foxhole alone. As they say, a chain is only as strong as its weakest link. I'm all for breaking the 'glass ceiling' but why this self-imposed impediment. War is a man's vocation.

The IDF says hello, points and laughs.

 

[SOSNittany]

Or maybe some people decided there are better ways to live life than slaving away in a shit job making shit wages and barely keeping their heads above water. Move in with their parents, stop being a mindless consumer, live on a budget and, pursue something meaningful. This guy wants to be an EMT. What's wrong with that? Kids also get a live in grandmother.

As long as they don't ask me to pay for their life. Let the lazy starve.

 

[JWB389]

As long as they don't ask me to pay for their life. Let the lazy starve.

They're not going to ask you. The government will make you.

 

[Psychedelic_MackDaddy]

Thank you for exemplifying the generational divide. Boomers are greedy. But, somehow demanding you have the same "opportunity" isn't greedy. Isn't that showing that you feel you're entitled? Or, maybe you're just a victim.

What was the opportunity that the boomers had that was so superior? High inflation, extravagant interest rates, energy crisis, race riots? None of those were of their doings. They were foisted on them by the politicians. The same as many of today's problems are caused by politicians.

Your last statement of "***** you I got mine" is the best part of the divide. Boomers have earned what they have, just like the generations before them. All they're saying is get off your butts and start earning yours. The opportunity is there. Making the best of it is up to the millenials.

I will answer this.

You boomers inherited a world from the WWII Generarion with a negligible debt. You are passing on $20 Trillion to the Millennials.

The environment had "spots" of concern like rust belt rivers on fire. But, now, you bequeath an environment on to the Millennials with catastrophic consequences.

Your "sexual revolution" gave the Millennials (and the world) HIV. That's from all that fvxking and needle sharing you guys were doing from 1960 to 1980.

TAXES ARE A VACCINE. All you did was unravel ALL the safe guards the WWII generation put in place. And, now, we are back to the 1920's. You enabled the financial services industry to become over 40% of Corporate profits (US ECONOMY). That's a MIND BLOWING figure. Who is getting rich with Boomer Economics?

Wages have been flat or falling since the 1970's. Boomers destroyed "equal opportunity".

How has the PRIVITIZATION OF PRISONS been going? Another gift from the BOOMERS.

How's that WAR ON DRUGS going? Heroin and cocaine deaths increase every year.

Suicide is now the 10th leading cause of death.

Simpson-Bowles? Why can't BOOMERS in Congress work to solve the entitlement problems? Oh, that's right...they will be dead once sh1t hits the fan.

Healthcare? Why is it I don't hear Israeli politicians clamoring for a healthcare system like the United States? Why aren't people in Japan saying WE WANT WHAT THE AMERICAN HAVE? Know why? Our healthcare system sucks. Boomers own too much stocks in those companies to change it.

America now is 12th in college graduates. In 1985, America was 1st. Thank you baby boomers.

Who gave Millennials FOR PROFIT UNIVERSITIES? You, dipsh1t.

Infant mortality is an all time high. Thank you Boomers.

Don't even get me started on the Saving and Loans Scandal, Long Term Capital Management Hedge Fund, Dot Com Fraud and, of course...the GREAT FCXKENING.

Boomers (especially WHITE MALE Boomers) walked into a world where jobs were everywhere, minimum wage was livable, college was affordable and life was good.

Boomers then FVXKED THE MILLENNIALS. Why? Because they could.

I'm going to spend the remainder of life helping Millennials and TAX TAX TAX The Baby Boomers.

BABY BOOMERS SUCK BALLS. Millennials have every right to drag you POS out into the street and tar and feather you c0cksuckers for weakening America.

HOW DO YOU FVCK THIS UP? You inherited practically ZERO debt. America was the most powerful and most educated Nation. HOW DO YOU FVCK THIS UP?

Your generation is evil.

 

[Psychedelic_MackDaddy]

Boomers were handed the closest thing to a perfect world this country has ever seen as far as economy and opportunity goes (for specific race/gender) and they took it, and took some more, and then turned their backs on every generation after them and told them to go **** themselves.

The “**** you I got mine” generation.

I didn't know it at the time, but Jimmy Carter's "Crisis of Confidence" Speech was directed at the Baby Boomers. Boy...baby boomers FVCKED America. Treason! That's what it is.

 

[Talpsu]

How is "technology" gonna' replace the process that moves a box of shit from Point A to Point B?

Drones

 

[Nitt1300]

I'd like to hear how there driverless trucks are going to function on roads that have no discernable lane markings, road and bridge surfaces that aren't maintained, etc.

This isn't Europe after all, we are more like a third world country in regard to infrastructure

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

I will answer this.

You boomers inherited a world from the WWII Generarion with a negligible debt. You are passing on $20 Trillion to the Millennials.

The environment had "spots" of concern like rust belt rivers on fire. But, now, you bequeath an environment on to the Millennials with catastrophic consequences.

Your "sexual revolution" gave the Millennials (and the world) HIV. That's from all that fvxking and needle sharing you guys were doing from 1960 to 1980.

TAXES ARE A VACCINE. All you did was unravel ALL the safe guards the WWII generation put in place. And, now, we are back to the 1920's. You enabled the financial services industry to become over 40% of Corporate profits (US ECONOMY). That's a MIND BLOWING figure. Who is getting rich with Boomer Economics?

Wages have been flat or falling since the 1970's. Boomers destroyed "equal opportunity".

How has the PRIVITIZATION OF PRISONS been going? Another gift from the BOOMERS.

How's that WAR ON DRUGS going? Heroin and cocaine deaths increase every year.

Suicide is now the 10th leading cause of death.

Simpson-Bowles? Why can't BOOMERS in Congress work to solve the entitlement problems? Oh, that's right...they will be dead once sh1t hits the fan.

Healthcare? Why is it I don't hear Israeli politicians clamoring for a healthcare system like the United States? Why aren't people in Japan saying WE WANT WHAT THE AMERICAN HAVE? Know why? Our healthcare system sucks. Boomers own too much stocks in those companies to change it.

America now is 12th in college graduates. In 1985, America was 1st. Thank you baby boomers.

Who gave Millennials FOR PROFIT UNIVERSITIES? You, dipsh1t.

Infant mortality is an all time high. Thank you Boomers.

Don't even get me started on the Saving and Loans Scandal, Long Term Capital Management Hedge Fund, Dot Com Fraud and, of course...the GREAT FCXKENING.

Boomers (especially WHITE MALE Boomers) walked into a world where jobs were everywhere, minimum wage was livable, college was affordable and life was good.

Boomers then FVXKED THE MILLENNIALS. Why? Because they could.

I'm going to spend the remainder of life helping Millennials and TAX TAX TAX The Baby Boomers.

BABY BOOMERS SUCK BALLS. Millennials have every right to drag you POS out into the street and tar and feather you c0cksuckers for weakening America.

HOW DO YOU FVCK THIS UP? You inherited practically ZERO debt. America was the most powerful and most educated Nation. HOW DO YOU FVCK THIS UP?

Your generation is evil.

 

[Ct. Lion]

What a fascinating thread. My two daughters are 40 and 42 so I guess they are older than this group in the article but motivating kids has the same general issues generation to generation. We found that working on self esteem seemed to get the best results. When the child desires to succeed because it enhances their self esteem and they feel good about themselves then other things start to fall in place.

A couple of other observations. Truck drivers are scarce. I am a volunteer with our state DEP and consult on aquatic issues often using grass carp to control the weeds. I get them from a hatchery in Arkansas which ships them up on a special flat bed truck but this requires two drivers since they drive straight through to New England. One driver died and they can't find a replacement so they suspended shipments requiring over night transit. I have to buy local at nearly four times the price per grass carp. There is a price to pay for everyone when there is a tight labor market.

I also agree on the military as an option. After Vietnam I decided not to make it a career and left active duty. I had absolutely no problem getting premium offers from major banks, computer companies, industrial companies, etc. while interviewing in NYC. As mentioned by many already, the military still offers many attractive benefits.

 

[mn78psu83]

I will answer this.

You boomers inherited a world from the WWII Generarion with a negligible debt. You are passing on $20 Trillion to the Millennials.

The environment had "spots" of concern like rust belt rivers on fire. But, now, you bequeath an environment on to the Millennials with catastrophic consequences.

Your "sexual revolution" gave the Millennials (and the world) HIV. That's from all that fvxking and needle sharing you guys were doing from 1960 to 1980.

TAXES ARE A VACCINE. All you did was unravel ALL the safe guards the WWII generation put in place. And, now, we are back to the 1920's. You enabled the financial services industry to become over 40% of Corporate profits (US ECONOMY). That's a MIND BLOWING figure. Who is getting rich with Boomer Economics?

Wages have been flat or falling since the 1970's. Boomers destroyed "equal opportunity".

How has the PRIVITIZATION OF PRISONS been going? Another gift from the BOOMERS.

How's that WAR ON DRUGS going? Heroin and cocaine deaths increase every year.

Suicide is now the 10th leading cause of death.

Simpson-Bowles? Why can't BOOMERS in Congress work to solve the entitlement problems? Oh, that's right...they will be dead once sh1t hits the fan.

Healthcare? Why is it I don't hear Israeli politicians clamoring for a healthcare system like the United States? Why aren't people in Japan saying WE WANT WHAT THE AMERICAN HAVE? Know why? Our healthcare system sucks. Boomers own too much stocks in those companies to change it.

America now is 12th in college graduates. In 1985, America was 1st. Thank you baby boomers.

Who gave Millennials FOR PROFIT UNIVERSITIES? You, dipsh1t.

Infant mortality is an all time high. Thank you Boomers.

Don't even get me started on the Saving and Loans Scandal, Long Term Capital Management Hedge Fund, Dot Com Fraud and, of course...the GREAT FCXKENING.

Boomers (especially WHITE MALE Boomers) walked into a world where jobs were everywhere, minimum wage was livable, college was affordable and life was good.

Boomers then FVXKED THE MILLENNIALS. Why? Because they could.

I'm going to spend the remainder of life helping Millennials and TAX TAX TAX The Baby Boomers.

BABY BOOMERS SUCK BALLS. Millennials have every right to drag you POS out into the street and tar and feather you c0cksuckers for weakening America.

HOW DO YOU FVCK THIS UP? You inherited practically ZERO debt. America was the most powerful and most educated Nation. HOW DO YOU FVCK THIS UP?

Your generation is evil.

Have you opened that tantric tango escape room yet?

 

[jrd23psu]

Thank you for exemplifying the generational divide. Boomers are greedy. But, somehow demanding you have the same "opportunity" isn't greedy. Isn't that showing that you feel you're entitled? Or, maybe you're just a victim.

What was the opportunity that the boomers had that was so superior? High inflation, extravagant interest rates, energy crisis, race riots? None of those were of their doings. They were foisted on them by the politicians. The same as many of today's problems are caused by politicians.

Your last statement of "***** you I got mine" is the best part of the divide. Boomers have earned what they have, just like the generations before them. All they're saying is get off your butts and start earning yours. The opportunity is there. Making the best of it is up to the millenials.

Nobody is saying Millennials are entitled to the same opportunities. Boomers for some reason think they earned their opportunities. It’s laughable. Their opportunities were birthed from the destruction of Europe in WWII.

Every single generation before the Boomers made it their priority to provide a better world and life for the next generation. But not the Boomers. They took and took and said **** you to every generation after them without giving a single thing back. The “**** you, I got mine” generation. The Boomer generation is straight poison

And while my parents are Boomers and I love them and I love plenty of individual Boomers the day the last Boomer dies this world will be a better place. It’s time for the Boomers to go. It’s time for better generations to take over running things. Boomers are a plague.

 

[Obliviax]

Nobody is saying Millennials are entitled to the same opportunities. Boomers for some reason think they earned their opportunities. It’s laughable. Their opportunities were birthed from the destruction of Europe in WWII.

Every single generation before the Boomers made it their priority to provide a better world and life for the next generation. But the Boomers. They took and took and said **** you to every generation after them. The “**** you, I got mine” generation. The Boomer generation is straight poison.

And while my parents are Boomers and I love them and I love plenty of individual Boomers the day the last Boomer dies this world will be a better place. It’s time for the Boomers to go. It’s time for better generations to take over running things. Boomers are a plague.

Huh.... So life hasn't improved from the 80s through today? I would suggest we review advancements in medicine, communications, technology, transportation, world-wide peace, human rights.....

Are things perfect? No and never will be. But things are far better today than in 1980.

 

[NittPicker]

Every single generation before the Boomers made it their priority to provide a better world and life for the next generation. But not the Boomers. They took and took and said **** you to every generation after them without giving a single thing back. The “**** you, I got mine” generation. The Boomer generation is straight poison.

The good old days always look good in hindsight. For example, a wealthy garment factory owner in 1880 wasn't looking to make a better future for the next generation when his employees were working six days a week, 12 hours per day, and getting paid per item made. Too sick to work? Too bad. Don't like the working conditions? Too bad. Health benefits? HA!!

 

[Psychedelic_MackDaddy]

Have you opened that tantric tango escape room yet?

No. After careful thought, I decided to walk straight into the Lions den.

Huh.... So life hasn't improved from the 80s through today? I would suggest we review advancements in medicine, communications, technology, transportation, world-wide peace, human rights.....

Are things perfect? No and never will be. But things are far better today than in 1980.

One simple question, Bible Boomer:

"Does a college graduate in 2018 have a better life in America than a college graduate in 1985?"

 

[jrd23psu]

Huh.... So life hasn't improved from the 80s through today? I would suggest we review advancements in medicine, communications, technology, transportation, world-wide peace, human rights.....

Are things perfect? No and never will be. But things are far better today than in 1980.

Nobody is saying advancements in technology, medicine, and other things haven’t improved.

However, housing prices have skyrocketed to levels where people can’t afford to buy houses anymore.

The job market is not nearly as friendly now. It’s terrible now. Wages have stagnated.

The OP of this thread started a thread to shit on Millennials. Must be a day that ends in a Y. I can only assume OP is a Boomer because this is their MO. I’ve had it with Boomers. They are a generation that was born on third base and think they hit a triple. They give nothing back and are the most selfish generation we’ve ever seen.

Why don’t Millennials just go get a jobs like we did ask Boomers? Oh, I don’t know. Maybe it’s because it isn’t the 50’s and 60’s anymore and good paying manufacturing jobs aren’t a dime a dozen for unskilled and uneducated workers.

WWII left the U.S. as the only country with infrastructure to manufacture goods. We became the deafacto leader. It gave workers and unions all of the leverage to demand good paying jobs for workers with no skills and no education past high school. Companies had no choice. Someone had to work in their plants.

Those workers were Boomers. Born on third base and think they hit a triple.

 

[Psychedelic_MackDaddy]

Nobody is saying Millennials are entitled to the same opportunities. Boomers for some reason think they earned their opportunities. It’s laughable. Their opportunities were birthed from the destruction of Europe in WWII.

Every single generation before the Boomers made it their priority to provide a better world and life for the next generation. But not the Boomers. They took and took and said **** you to every generation after them without giving a single thing back. The “**** you, I got mine” generation. The Boomer generation is straight poison

And while my parents are Boomers and I love them and I love plenty of individual Boomers the day the last Boomer dies this world will be a better place. It’s time for the Boomers to go. It’s time for better generations to take over running things. Boomers are a plague.

• https://www.houstonchronicle.com/bu...er-are-stealing-from-Millennials-13302287.php

 

[Psychedelic_MackDaddy]

Nobody is saying advancements in technology, medicine, and other things haven’t improved.

However, housing prices have skyrocketed to levels where people can’t afford to buy houses anymore.

The job market is not nearly as friendly now. It’s terrible now. Wages have stagnated.

The OP of this thread started a thread to shit on Millennials. Must be a day that ends in a Y. I can only assume OP is a Boomer because this is their MO. I’ve had it with Boomers. They are a generation that was born on third base and think they hit a triple. They give nothing back and are the most selfish generation we’ve ever seen.

Why don’t Millennials just go get a jobs like we did ask Boomers? Oh, I don’t know. Maybe it’s because it isn’t the 50’s and 60’s anymore and good paying manufacturing jobs aren’t a dime a dozen for unskilled and uneducated workers.

WWII left the U.S. as the only country with infrastructure to manufacture goods. We became the deafacto leader. It gave workers and unions all of the leverage to demand good paying jobs for workers with no skills and no education past high school. Companies had no choice. Someone had to work in their plants.

Those workers were Boomers. Born on third base and think they hit a triple.

Benny THE MOUTH Shapiro did a podcast on why Americans today think Americans were better off in 1965 than today.

He thought this was crazy. Why? Because Americans today have the Internet, computers, better Tv's. Seriously...you can't make this sh1t up. Btw.. @Obliviax loves Benny.

People voted the way they did because ONE adult could support a family of 4 (with retirement). @Obliviax thinks we are better off today because tv dinners have improved.

You are arguing with a delusionally functional African Ape. @Obliviax will never "get it".

 

[Psychedelic_MackDaddy]

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/bu...er-are-stealing-from-Millennials-13302287.php

 

[Obliviax]

Nobody is saying advancements in technology, medicine, and other things haven’t improved.

However, housing prices have skyrocketed to levels where people can’t afford to buy houses anymore.

The job market is not nearly as friendly now. It’s terrible now. Wages have stagnated.

The OP of this thread started a thread to shit on Millennials. Must be a day that ends in a Y. I can only assume OP is a Boomer because this is their MO. I’ve had it with Boomers. They are a generation that was born on third base and think they hit a triple. They give nothing back and are the most selfish generation we’ve ever seen.

Why don’t Millennials just go get a jobs like we did ask Boomers? Oh, I don’t know. Maybe it’s because it isn’t the 50’s and 60’s anymore and good paying manufacturing jobs aren’t a dime a dozen for unskilled and uneducated workers.

WWII left the U.S. as the only country with infrastructure to manufacture goods. We became the deafacto leader. It gave workers and unions all of the leverage to demand good paying jobs for workers with no skills and no education past high school. Companies had no choice. Someone had to work in their plants.

Those workers were Boomers. Born on third base and think they hit a triple.

Simply not true on home prices. You can get a perfectly good home in CLE for $60k. If you want to live in the same house as your parent's McMansion at age 26, yeah, that's an issue. Save, build assets and work your way up, just as many of the boomers did.

Wages, finally, are going up. But the cost of living has gone down. Things like high speed internet, Uber, and food access has gone way down. now, if you want fresh berries in January, that costs more. But I couldn't get fresh berries as a kid, at any cost.

Agree on availability of low skilled working jobs, but education is far more available than in 1970. Hell, you can get a degree at PSU without leaving your home. You can get a good programming job by going to a six month iOS developers class. Trust me, I am looking for them and it pays $70K to start (in Austin). Trump is working on getting manufacturing jobs back, so far they are growing quickly.

And on and on it goes. It is a new paradigm. Even bad jobs, working the drive up at McD's, is paying over $10.hr in most places. Doing that math, that is $400/week, $20,000/year with two weeks vacation. And that is a stepping stone to a job paying twice that (tables at outback or ruth's chris).

 

[AWS1022]

Every generation says the same thing about the younger generation. My parents said the same thing about my generation when we were younger. When I started working at age 23 (at the same company I’m still at today) I heard the comments from the older employees that the young pups didn’t work as hard, lived at home longer, yada yada. I did live at home for a while because costs were so much higher (my car cost $8500 at that time which was way higher than the $500 my parents paid for their car). What’s a car cost now? I have some millennials working for me and I’ve been quite impressed with them. My kids are millennials and they’re doing just fine. There have always been and will always be lazy, entitled people and to characterize an entire generation is ridiculous.

 

[Psychedelic_MackDaddy]

Nobody is saying advancements in technology, medicine, and other things haven’t improved.

However, housing prices have skyrocketed to levels where people can’t afford to buy houses anymore.

The job market is not nearly as friendly now. It’s terrible now. Wages have stagnated.

The OP of this thread started a thread to shit on Millennials. Must be a day that ends in a Y. I can only assume OP is a Boomer because this is their MO. I’ve had it with Boomers. They are a generation that was born on third base and think they hit a triple. They give nothing back and are the most selfish generation we’ve ever seen.

Why don’t Millennials just go get a jobs like we did ask Boomers? Oh, I don’t know. Maybe it’s because it isn’t the 50’s and 60’s anymore and good paying manufacturing jobs aren’t a dime a dozen for unskilled and uneducated workers.

WWII left the U.S. as the only country with infrastructure to manufacture goods. We became the deafacto leader. It gave workers and unions all of the leverage to demand good paying jobs for workers with no skills and no education past high school. Companies had no choice. Someone had to work in their plants.

Those workers were Boomers. Born on third base and think they hit a triple.

Here, watch this video...

Benny THE MOUTH gives me a hard-on, btw. It wouldn't shock me if some Millennial beats the crap out of him.

He's a butt-end of jokes on atheist message boards. He simply can't wrap his African Ape brain around we Atheists. He has difficulty accepting that Atheism is growing exponentially.

Here he is (ahem) explaining that the reason Millennials have it tough is because they graduated with a B.S. in LESBIAN WOMEN'S STUDIES. And, Millennials think life should be like college. He also calls Capitalism (ahem) moral and socialism (immoral). People like @Obliviax lick it up.

Not once has he broke down the Fraud on Wall Street. How, BABY BOOMERS on Wall Street and DC knowingly and purposefully rigged a system to FVCK Millennials. He has yet to break it down.

But, he has the audacity to say Millennials THEMSELVES are to blame for their failings. Like I said...the guy gives me a hard-on.

Enjoy the video.

 

[Obliviax]

Here, watch this video...

Benny THE MOUTH gives me a hard-on, btw. It wouldn't shock me if some Millennial beats the crap out of him.

He's a butt-end of jokes on atheist message boards. He simply can't wrap his African Ape brain around we Atheists. He has difficulty accepting that Atheism is growing exponentially.

Here he is (ahem) explaining that the reason Millennials have it tough is because they graduated with a B.S. in LESBIAN WOMEN'S STUDIES. And, Millennials think life should be like college. He also calls Capitalism (ahem) moral and socialism (immoral). People like @Obliviax lick it up.

Not once has he broke down the Fraud on Wall Street. How, BABY BOOMERS on Wall Street and DC knowingly and purposefully rigged a system to FVCK Millennials. He has yet to break it down.

But, he has the audacity to say Millennials THEMSELVES are to blame for their failings. Like I said...the guy gives me a hard-on.

Enjoy the video.

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yeah..not gonna watch and am done with your moronic thread.

 

[mn78psu83]

No. After careful thought, I decided to walk straight into the Lions den.


One simple question, Bible Boomer:

"Does a college graduate in 2018 have a better life in America than a college graduate in 1985?"

"Bible Boomer?" You did make me laugh. Disclosure: I was born in 1960 and fit into the birth years that most demographers use to pigeonhole boomers. My wife (young enough not to be a boomer) and I were just discussing how fortunate our lives have been. I can say that even though both of my parents died while I was still in my teens. Fortunate indeed.

Do you mean, "is my perception that the future life prospects of a 2018 college graduate are better than what those of a 1985 graduate were/turned out to be?" It's an exercise in question begging, especially in this case because you've begged the question. We could do an analysis of how things turned out for 1985 college graduates. We can only assume that things will either turn our better or worse for 2018 graduates. You've assumed that they are starting at a disadvantage with the likelihood that they will turn out worse. That aside, I perceive that those of us who graduated in 1982/83 - generally - looked to the future with greater optimism than those graduating college in 2018. This is only my perception though. There are many factors and the complexity of this analysis is both beyond my ability and desire to attempt it. Nevertheless, since you are addressing college graduates, I will point out one huge factor - the cost of higher education. When I was in school the grant money flowed like wine. Even without parents to support me, between Social Security (my younger sister and I received our parents' Social Security benefits), jobs (although I could only make x $ or else I'd have to pay back SS $) scholarship money and grants, I had a manageable debt load when I graduated college, which I paid off well within the allotted time. The same would not be true today. That has a big effect on one's future prospects. Don't want to get into the whole cost of higher education/student loan/alternatives to higher education for young people thing though.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Thanks @Psychedelic_MackDaddy and @jrd23psu for your perspective and insight. I’m not a boomer (my dad was a 19 year old Marine when Vietnam ended) and have a hard time processing the mindset of millennials. I get that the person in this article is a ‘one off’ but likely not unique. My limited understanding is that they do want to work, but are more concerned with personal fulfillment and working jobs they believe in versus collecting a paycheck. That’s fine. But there’s a cost to that philosophy - especially when said millennials have a family.

Additionally, this wasn’t initially about boomers vs millennials, though it’s turned into that. Trying to keep on the topic of the article, which is about millennial employment - not about whether or not boomers are the reason for their plight (and you may be right).

 

[Nitt1300]

all generalities are lies

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

all generalities are lies

Thank you Buddha1300.

 

[Obliviax]

Thanks @Psychedelic_MackDaddy and @jrd23psu for your perspective and insight. I’m not a boomer (my dad was a 19 year old Marine when Vietnam ended) and have a hard time processing the mindset of millennials. I get that the person in this article is a ‘one off’ but likely not unique. My limited understanding is that they do want to work, but are more concerned with personal fulfillment and working jobs they believe in versus collecting a paycheck. That’s fine. But there’s a cost to that philosophy - especially when said millennials have a family.

Additionally, this wasn’t initially about boomers vs millennials, though it’s turned into that. Trying to keep on the topic of the article, which is about millennial employment - not about whether or not boomers are the reason for their plight (and you may be right).

Good post, per usual, Midnighter.

I have no problem with people "concerned with personal fulfillment and working jobs they believe in versus collecting a paycheck", just as you stated. But don't complain when that philosophy leads to underemployment, lack of home ownership opportunities, lower quality of health care and the rest. Its a choice....own your $hit. (not you, but those making those choices). I know a lot of our people, when hearing a candidate say they are looking for a good work/life balance, throw their resume in the trash ASAP...

 

[Psychedelic_MackDaddy]

"Bible Boomer?" You did make me laugh. Disclosure: I was born in 1960 and fit into the birth years that most demographers use to pigeonhole boomers. My wife and I were just discussing how fortunate our lives have been. I can say that even though both of my parents died while I was still in my teens. Fortunate indeed.

Do you mean, "is my perception that the future life prospects of a 2018 college graduate are better than what those of a 1985 graduate were/turned out to be?" It's an exercise in question begging, especially in this case because you've begged the question. We could do an analysis of how things turned out for 1985 college graduates. We can only assume that things will either turn our better or worse for 2018 graduates. You've assumed that they are starting at a disadvantage with the likelihood that they will turn out worse. That aside, I perceive that those of us who graduated in 1982/83 - generally - looked to the future with greater optimism than those graduating college in 2018. This is only my perception though. There are many factors and the complexity of this analysis is both beyond my ability and desire to attempt it. Nevertheless, since you are addressing college graduates, I will point out one huge factor - the cost of higher education. When I was in school the grant money flowed like wine. Even without parents to support me, between Social Security (my younger sister and I received our parents' Social Security benefits), jobs (although I could only make x $ or else I'd have to pay back SS $) scholarship money and grants, I had a manageable debt load when I graduated college, which I paid off well within the allotted time. The same would not be true today. That has a big effect on one's future prospects. Don't want to get into the whole cost of higher education/student loan/alternatives to higher education for young people thing though.

TAXES ARE A VACCINE.

1) CLIMATE:

We are now witnessing an Eastward and Northward turn of tornadoes. We are witnessing more ferocious hurricanes and rain downpours and droughts where it rarely if ever occurred.

Plastic? Decrease in species numbers? I could go on and on.

IS THE ENVIRONMENT BETTER TODAY THAN 1985?

2) AMERICAN INCOME

Wages have been flat to falling for some time. The average American can barely meet the rising costs of rent on their income. Along with student loans, these kids can't qualify for a house because their debt to income is too high and credit score to low (mostly, by missed student loan payments). Trump gives Millennials a $1200 tax break but rent goes up $100 per month.

The Financial Services Industry drives the US. If you already HAVE money, then, yes, investing in Wall Street is wise. But, that's not true for most. Upward mobility and increasing wages is a joke.

IF YOU GOT MARRIED AND STARTED HAVING KIDS AFTER GRADUATING COLLEGE IN 1985 VS TODAY, WHO IS BETTER OFF?

3) RETIREMENT

Someone joked on the TEST BOARD that Suzy Urman wrote a retirement book for Millennials: "WORK UNTIL YOU DIE"

WHO HAS THE BETTER RETIREMENT: THOSE WHO GRADUATED COLLEGE IN 1985 OR 2018?

4) TAXES

I don't have kids. Yet, I don't bitch that my taxes go to other families so their kids get a public education. Why? Taxes are the price you pay for a civilized society.

Wall Street should absolutely be taxed - especially, after what they did.

The WWII generation knew this. What was the American debt in 1985 VS 2018?

WOULD YOU RATHER BE ENTERING MIDDLE CLASS IN 1985 OR 2018?

Honestly, I can't find one area of American life where BOOMERS made America better.

America doesn't have a Democrat problem or a Republican problem. America has a BABY BOOMER problem (both Democrats and Republicans). And, they quite simply don't give a sh1t.

 

[Nitt1300]

 

[YeOldeCup]

Nobody is saying Millennials are entitled to the same opportunities. Boomers for some reason think they earned their opportunities. It’s laughable. Their opportunities were birthed from the destruction of Europe in WWII.

Every single generation before the Boomers made it their priority to provide a better world and life for the next generation. But not the Boomers. They took and took and said **** you to every generation after them without giving a single thing back. The “**** you, I got mine” generation. The Boomer generation is straight poison

And while my parents are Boomers and I love them and I love plenty of individual Boomers the day the last Boomer dies this world will be a better place. It’s time for the Boomers to go. It’s time for better generations to take over running things. Boomers are a plague.

If Boomers were gone overnight, ala "The Leftovers," this country would be in total chaos followed by collapse.

Your assertions simply make no sense. My grandfather never had a chance to attend high school, but was an accomplished technician - he made sure his four children completed high school. My father never had a chance to attend college, but became an accomplished professional and pushed me (and my two brothers) to excel. I attended college on my own dime, but am paying for my children's (very expensive) college educations. Every reasonable person wants the best for their children.

The biggest negative contributors have been actions by an overreaching federal government. The establishment of the Department of Education under Carter in 1979 resulted in constant declines in performance against the world stage. Curricula and tests have been dumbed-down at both the K-12 and collegiate levels. College is now a business, with useless majors invented to bring in $$ and make the student "feel" good. Occupy and Antifa are stocked with these kids. VoTechs were marginalized and stigmatized, yet that's where our unfilled domestic job openings are.