FC/OT: Millennial Men and the labor market...

[Psychedelic_MackDaddy]

If Boomers were gone overnight, ala "The Leftovers," this country would be in total chaos followed by collapse.

Your assertions simply make no sense. My grandfather never had a chance to attend high school, but was an accomplished technician - he made sure his four children completed high school. My father never had a chance to attend college, but became an accomplished professional and pushed me (and my two brothers) to excel. I attended college on my own dime, but am paying for my children's (very expensive) college educations. Every reasonable person wants the best for their children.

The biggest negative contributors have been actions by an overreaching federal government. The establishment of the Department of Education under Carter in 1979 resulted in constant declines in performance against the world stage. Curricula and tests have been dumbed-down at both the K-12 and collegiate levels. College is now a business, with useless majors invented to bring in $$ and make the student "feel" good. Occupy and Antifa are stocked with these kids. VoTechs were marginalized and stigmatized, yet that's where our unfilled domestic job openings are.

Your first sentence says it about you boomers: "If Boomers were gone overnight, ala "The Leftovers," this country would be in total chaos followed by collapse."

Therein lies the problem. You are utterly convinced this country would fall apart without you boomers. In other words, BOOMERS ARE INDISPENSABLE.

That's comical. Just look at American Infrastructure, for example. Are you telling me Millennials couldn't fix what you boomers broke (and, don't care to fix)?

All you boomers created was an out of control Financial Services Industry. Any retard could do that.

Do all Millennials a favor....fade into retirement.

 

[YeOldeCup]

Your first sentence says it about you boomers: "If Boomers were gone overnight, ala "The Leftovers," this country would be in total chaos followed by collapse."

Therein lies the problem. You are utterly convinced this country would fall apart without you boomers. In other words, BOOMERS ARE INDISPENSABLE.

That's comical. Just look at American Infrastructure, for example. Are you telling me Millennials couldn't fix what you boomers broke (and, don't care to fix)?

All you boomers created was an out of control Financial Services Industry. Any retard could do that.

Do all Millennials a favor....fade into retirement.

Have you ever been responsible for anything/anyone apart from yourself? It would appear from your posts that you have no idea how things are put together or sustained.

Feel free to continue your assault on those who have provided you the opportunity to be whatever it is you are. That is the opportunity our generations and country have provided.

 

[mcgunns]

Millenial angst comes from what should be an understandable place. If you look at what has gone up in price dramatically vs inflation it's the bare necessities of humanity other than food:
Housing
Healthcare
Education



Previous generations for basically all of time focused on making these bare necessities cheaper for subsequent generations. Meanwhile, boomers expect their houses to exponentially increase in value. Healthcare and education are completely out of control due to rackets implemented by boomers for boomers. When it comes to food, it's still cheap, but it's totally unnatural and genuinely disturbing if you look into its production.



It's hard to argue against the general idea that the long-term prospects for the planet are grim. Look at extinction rates of species. Look at the world population projections. Look at how quickly we are burning through finite nonrenewable resources with no consideration for what it is doing to the planet and no consideration for what that will mean for future generations. We are taking breathtaking natural environments and turning them into weird consumerized production facilities with mass produced factory farmed everything. We are dumping untested chemicals and permanent waste anywhere and everywhere. Nobody seems to have put any thought into the future costs of any of this.



We have destroyed countless ecosystems and natural environments all over the world. For what? What can you point to? Cheaper consumer goods? This soulless shallow culture? Sure I have an Iphone, but I don't even know the name of the person living nextdoor. The only downside for all of this "progress" is that my grandkids, if they even exist, now have a very good chance of living huddled together with a giant mass of impoverished people in some shantytown hellscape.



To add insult to injury, the prevailing attitude from boomers about all of the very foreseeable issues on the horizon seems to be, "Oh well, we had to figure some things out, they'll figure it out too, maybe, I don't really care lol I'll be dead."

 

[YeOldeCup]

Millenial angst comes from what should be an understandable place. If you look at what has gone up in price dramatically vs inflation it's the bare necessities of humanity other than food:
Housing
Healthcare
Education



Previous generations for basically all of time focused on making these bare necessities cheaper for subsequent generations. Meanwhile, boomers expect their houses to exponentially increase in value. Healthcare and education are completely out of control due to rackets implemented by boomers for boomers. When it comes to food, it's still cheap, but it's totally unnatural and genuinely disturbing if you look into its production.



It's hard to argue against the general idea that the long-term prospects for the planet are grim. Look at extinction rates of species. Look at the world population projections. Look at how quickly we are burning through finite nonrenewable resources with no consideration for what it is doing to the planet and no consideration for what that will mean for future generations. We are taking breathtaking natural environments and turning them into weird consumerized production facilities with mass produced factory farmed everything. We are dumping untested chemicals and permanent waste anywhere and everywhere. Nobody seems to have put any thought into the future costs of any of this.



We have destroyed countless ecosystems and natural environments all over the world. For what? What can you point to? Cheaper consumer goods? This soulless shallow culture? Sure I have an Iphone, but I don't even know the name of the person living nextdoor. The only downside for all of this "progress" is that my grandkids, if they even exist, now have a very good chance of living huddled together with a giant mass of impoverished people in some shantytown hellscape.



To add insult to injury, the prevailing attitude from boomers about all of the very foreseeable issues on the horizon seems to be, "Oh well, we had to figure some things out, they'll figure it out too, maybe, I don't really care lol I'll be dead."

Your angst is misplaced. You place blame on society (BBers), when government is responsible for all three things you mention:

• The federal government relaxed lending rules, resulting in an arbitrary home boom followed by the inevitable collapse.
• Healthcare is in disarray under the (federally mandated) ACA. Choices are way down, and costs are way up. I wasn't able to keep my plan or my doctor, and my family costs have skyrocketed instead being reduced by $2500.
  
• The abject stupidity that 'everyone needs to go to college' has created the same debt bubble that the home lending crisis did. A degree is NOT required to earn a good living -- this is extremely poor and irresponsible guidance given at the HS and college levels. In fact, a degree in an arbitrary major not in demand simply puts people in debt before they ever get started. That behavior did NOT happen with teens in the 60s and 70s.

BTW, who's fault is it that you don't know your neighbors? I know mine.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Millenial angst comes from what should be an understandable place. If you look at what has gone up in price dramatically vs inflation it's the bare necessities of humanity other than food:
Housing
Healthcare
Education



Previous generations for basically all of time focused on making these bare necessities cheaper for subsequent generations. Meanwhile, boomers expect their houses to exponentially increase in value. Healthcare and education are completely out of control due to rackets implemented by boomers for boomers. When it comes to food, it's still cheap, but it's totally unnatural and genuinely disturbing if you look into its production.



It's hard to argue against the general idea that the long-term prospects for the planet are grim. Look at extinction rates of species. Look at the world population projections. Look at how quickly we are burning through finite nonrenewable resources with no consideration for what it is doing to the planet and no consideration for what that will mean for future generations. We are taking breathtaking natural environments and turning them into weird consumerized production facilities with mass produced factory farmed everything. We are dumping untested chemicals and permanent waste anywhere and everywhere. Nobody seems to have put any thought into the future costs of any of this.



We have destroyed countless ecosystems and natural environments all over the world. For what? What can you point to? Cheaper consumer goods? This soulless shallow culture? Sure I have an Iphone, but I don't even know the name of the person living nextdoor. The only downside for all of this "progress" is that my grandkids, if they even exist, now have a very good chance of living huddled together with a giant mass of impoverished people in some shantytown hellscape.



To add insult to injury, the prevailing attitude from boomers about all of the very foreseeable issues on the horizon seems to be, "Oh well, we had to figure some things out, they'll figure it out too, maybe, I don't really care lol I'll be dead."

IT'S FOR JOBS!!!

Seriously, that's what they tell you. Which is why at some point, China will be leading in anything worth measuring economically. They're not beholden to archaic industries because they don't have to worry about appealing to rust belt voters or Super PACs. They don't have to appeal to an agenda driven voter base. The U.S. is very young in the grand scheme of things and likely will not last as is.

 

[mn78psu83]

IT'S FOR JOBS!!!

Seriously, that's what they tell you. Which is why at some point, China will be leading in anything worth measuring economically. They're not beholden to archaic industries because they don't have to worry about appealing to rust belt voters or Super PACs. They don't have to appeal to an agenda driven voter base. The U.S. is very young in the grand scheme of things and likely will not last as is.

And yet China's Ministry of Health claims that 1 million Chinese are dying each year from air pollution and 500 million Chinese do not have access to safe drinking water. They may not be beholden to those who you cite, but China is consuming the products of those archaic industries at a mighty rate.

 

[SOSNittany]

Millenial angst comes from what should be an understandable place. If you look at what has gone up in price dramatically vs inflation it's the bare necessities of humanity other than food:
Housing
Healthcare
Education



Previous generations for basically all of time focused on making these bare necessities cheaper for subsequent generations. Meanwhile, boomers expect their houses to exponentially increase in value. Healthcare and education are completely out of control due to rackets implemented by boomers for boomers. When it comes to food, it's still cheap, but it's totally unnatural and genuinely disturbing if you look into its production.



It's hard to argue against the general idea that the long-term prospects for the planet are grim. Look at extinction rates of species. Look at the world population projections. Look at how quickly we are burning through finite nonrenewable resources with no consideration for what it is doing to the planet and no consideration for what that will mean for future generations. We are taking breathtaking natural environments and turning them into weird consumerized production facilities with mass produced factory farmed everything. We are dumping untested chemicals and permanent waste anywhere and everywhere. Nobody seems to have put any thought into the future costs of any of this.



We have destroyed countless ecosystems and natural environments all over the world. For what? What can you point to? Cheaper consumer goods? This soulless shallow culture? Sure I have an Iphone, but I don't even know the name of the person living nextdoor. The only downside for all of this "progress" is that my grandkids, if they even exist, now have a very good chance of living huddled together with a giant mass of impoverished people in some shantytown hellscape.



To add insult to injury, the prevailing attitude from boomers about all of the very foreseeable issues on the horizon seems to be, "Oh well, we had to figure some things out, they'll figure it out too, maybe, I don't really care lol I'll be dead."

Your post is a great example of everything that's wrong with one portion of this country.

Without knowing you, I can tell that you're not a technical-degreed individual, but you have strong opinions about the environment and biology. Education is an investment. If you're spending $250,000 on a non-STEM degree, you're probably throwing away a lot of money for a lot of indoctrination and very few useful skills.

Each generation has faced challenges.

The founding fathers were often hung and had their houses burned while they were fighting for our freedom.

Pioneers and cowboys scratched an existence out of the forest and prairies. They CUT their own fields with axes. Think about that - cutting enough acreage to survive with an axe. My hands hurt when I cut up a few trees with a chainsaw and maul. Those guys would have laughed at me....before helping me out.

Millions fought against their own family members to free the slaves. And died of infection...slowly....with no modern painkillers.

The WWII generation fought against the Nazis and the Japanese Empire.

Today's generation does have to beware of a vicious case of carpal tunnel syndrome. I will admit to that.

There is one thing I will say that we had that you don't. Good, old fashioned common sense. We knew instinctively that our job as men was to prepare ourselves to be fathers and husbands. And that meant earning a living. And our women were, generally speaking, rational enough to understand that, in the end, they all couldn't marry the best guy out there, but if she could find a decent man who would take care of things, then there would be a decent chance at happiness.

This new generation - it's led by idiots like Felli and others, spouting off nonsense about how bad the forefathers made things for him.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

And yet China's Ministry of Health claims that 1 million Chinese are dying each year from air pollution and 500 million Chinese do not have access to safe drinking water. They may not be beholden to those who you cite, but China is consuming the products of those archaic industries at a mighty rate.

True, but that's because China is trying to play 'catch up' economically. That probably won't last forever.

 

[mn78psu83]

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This new generation - it's led by idiots like Felli and others, spouting off nonsense about how bad the forefathers made things for him.

True, but Felli is our idiot and there is no other like him - at least that I've encountered.

@Psychedelic_MackDaddy

 

[SOSNittany]

True, but Felli is our idiot and there is no other like him - at least that I've encountered.

@Psychedelic_MackDaddy

I just can't see the humor in that guy. Ridiculous. Everything that is wrong with this country, personified.

 

[mcgunns]

Your post is a great example of everything that's wrong with one portion of this country.

Without knowing you, I can tell that you're not a technical-degreed individual, but you have strong opinions about the environment and biology. Education is an investment. If you're spending $250,000 on a non-STEM degree, you're probably throwing away a lot of money for a lot of indoctrination and very few useful skills.

Each generation has faced challenges.

The founding fathers were often hung and had their houses burned while they were fighting for our freedom.

Pioneers and cowboys scratched an existence out of the forest and prairies. They CUT their own fields with axes. Think about that - cutting enough acreage to survive with an axe. My hands hurt when I cut up a few trees with a chainsaw and maul. Those guys would have laughed at me....before helping me out.

Millions fought against their own family members to free the slaves. And died of infection...slowly....with no modern painkillers.

The WWII generation fought against the Nazis and the Japanese Empire.

Today's generation does have to beware of a vicious case of carpal tunnel syndrome. I will admit to that.

There is one thing I will say that we had that you don't. Good, old fashioned common sense. We knew instinctively that our job as men was to prepare ourselves to be fathers and husbands. And that meant earning a living. And our women were, generally speaking, rational enough to understand that, in the end, they all couldn't marry the best guy out there, but if she could find a decent man who would take care of things, then there would be a decent chance at happiness.

This new generation - it's led by idiots like Felli and others, spouting off nonsense about how bad the forefathers made things for him.

 

[junior1]

Fascinating article. Just...wow.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...paign=news&utm_medium=bd&utm_source=applenews

These people will never recover financially

 

[Psychedelic_MackDaddy]

Have you ever been responsible for anything/anyone apart from yourself? It would appear from your posts that you have no idea how things are put together or sustained.

Feel free to continue your assault on those who have provided you the opportunity to be whatever it is you are. That is the opportunity our generations and country have provided.

Uh...I know right from wrong. Do You?

Are you now gonna tell me how you walked to school in bare feet in 6" of snow uphill - bothways?!? Because Im not impressed.

BABY BOOMERS haven't given me nor have they provided me a damn thing. There's an injustice afoot. And, I know it. I can prove it. And, I'm gonna do everything I can to bring you dirtbag baby boomers down.

Now...humor me and tell me how people like you built this nation....blah...blah...blah.

 

[YeOldeCup]

Uh...I know right from wrong. Do You?

Are you now gonna tell me how you walked to school in bare feet in 6" of snow uphill - bothways?!? Because Im not impressed.

BABY BOOMERS haven't given me nor have they provided me a damn thing. There's an injustice afoot. And, I know it. I can prove it. And, I'm gonna do everything I can to bring you dirtbag baby boomers down.

Now...humor me and tell me how people like you built this nation....blah...blah...blah.

I'll repeat my inquiry. Have you ever been responsible for anything/anyone apart from yourself?

 

[Psychedelic_MackDaddy]

Your post is a great example of everything that's wrong with one portion of this country.

Without knowing you, I can tell that you're not a technical-degreed individual, but you have strong opinions about the environment and biology. Education is an investment. If you're spending $250,000 on a non-STEM degree, you're probably throwing away a lot of money for a lot of indoctrination and very few useful skills.

Each generation has faced challenges.

The founding fathers were often hung and had their houses burned while they were fighting for our freedom.

Pioneers and cowboys scratched an existence out of the forest and prairies. They CUT their own fields with axes. Think about that - cutting enough acreage to survive with an axe. My hands hurt when I cut up a few trees with a chainsaw and maul. Those guys would have laughed at me....before helping me out.

Millions fought against their own family members to free the slaves. And died of infection...slowly....with no modern painkillers.

The WWII generation fought against the Nazis and the Japanese Empire.

Today's generation does have to beware of a vicious case of carpal tunnel syndrome. I will admit to that.

There is one thing I will say that we had that you don't. Good, old fashioned common sense. We knew instinctively that our job as men was to prepare ourselves to be fathers and husbands. And that meant earning a living. And our women were, generally speaking, rational enough to understand that, in the end, they all couldn't marry the best guy out there, but if she could find a decent man who would take care of things, then there would be a decent chance at happiness.

This new generation - it's led by idiots like Felli and others, spouting off nonsense about how bad the forefathers made things for him.

FVCK YOU! I'm generation X and worked my whole life. So, fvck you!

People like YOU (my guess....WHITE MALE JUDEO CHRISTIAN) feel...well, special.

So special that BOOMER Democrats and Republicans in Congress have been bought by wall street. A Wall Street that is so COKED-UP and eager to FVCK generation Z.

All of which shipped all jobs overseas; prop-up the economy with smoke and mirrors. Anyone with half a brain (other than you douchebag) knew Credit Default Derivatives needed regulation.

But, Wall Street was in over their head. So, DEMOCRATS refused to heed Brooksley Borns data and forced her to resign. Then Clinton signed into law NOT to regulate Derivatives. This sealed the Millennials fate.

Let's call Millennials what they TRULY are...THE FVCKED GENERATION.

People like YOU - God Bless America flag waving Americans - could care less.

Me? I'm going to empower them. Why? Because I can.

You're correct to fear me. I'm smarter than you.

 

[Psychedelic_MackDaddy]

I'll repeat my inquiry. Have you ever been responsible for anything/anyone apart from yourself?

Oh brother...

DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT FVCK THE MILLENNIALS?

 

[Psychedelic_MackDaddy]

True, but Felli is our idiot and there is no other like him - at least that I've encountered.

@Psychedelic_MackDaddy

I prefer... eccentric. It's the same as people who say them have "faith" when really it's a mental illness.

 

[YeOldeCup]

Oh brother...

DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT FVCK THE MILLENNIALS?

Thanks for answering my question (essentially that somehow your life is beyond your control). When you actually have assumed some responsibility in/for your life, perhaps we can engage again.

 

[Psychedelic_MackDaddy]

Millenial angst comes from what should be an understandable place. If you look at what has gone up in price dramatically vs inflation it's the bare necessities of humanity other than food:
Housing
Healthcare
Education



Previous generations for basically all of time focused on making these bare necessities cheaper for subsequent generations. Meanwhile, boomers expect their houses to exponentially increase in value. Healthcare and education are completely out of control due to rackets implemented by boomers for boomers. When it comes to food, it's still cheap, but it's totally unnatural and genuinely disturbing if you look into its production.



It's hard to argue against the general idea that the long-term prospects for the planet are grim. Look at extinction rates of species. Look at the world population projections. Look at how quickly we are burning through finite nonrenewable resources with no consideration for what it is doing to the planet and no consideration for what that will mean for future generations. We are taking breathtaking natural environments and turning them into weird consumerized production facilities with mass produced factory farmed everything. We are dumping untested chemicals and permanent waste anywhere and everywhere. Nobody seems to have put any thought into the future costs of any of this.



We have destroyed countless ecosystems and natural environments all over the world. For what? What can you point to? Cheaper consumer goods? This soulless shallow culture? Sure I have an Iphone, but I don't even know the name of the person living nextdoor. The only downside for all of this "progress" is that my grandkids, if they even exist, now have a very good chance of living huddled together with a giant mass of impoverished people in some shantytown hellscape.



To add insult to injury, the prevailing attitude from boomers about all of the very foreseeable issues on the horizon seems to be, "Oh well, we had to figure some things out, they'll figure it out too, maybe, I don't really care lol I'll be dead."

It's all the drugs (LSD, Heroin, Cocaine) Boomers have done since the 60's. They're a diseased raced. Their brains have been rewired.

Oh, the generation with the highest divorce rate? You guessed it...BOOMERS! Ain't even close.

 

[lj4heisman1]

for the most part, the overt stereotyping of boomers as this and millenials as that, and gen x as something else is pretty much nonsense

there is good and bad and mostly in between for all ages, sexes, races, nationalities and the overarching narrative of generational descriptions is...nonsense

 

[Psychedelic_MackDaddy]

Thanks for answering my question (essentially that somehow your life is beyond your control). When you actually have assumed some responsibility in/for your life, perhaps we can engage again.

YOU FVCKED AMERICA. If I were a Millennial (and I'm not), I'd bring you up on charges of treason.

Nice try trying to deflect....Boomer. I heard TV LAND is having a marathon of FATHER KNOWS BEST tonight. Tomorrow, THE DONNA REED SHOW has marathon.

Go make a Metamucil Mimosa and knock yourself out.

 

[Psychedelic_MackDaddy]

for the most part, the overt stereotyping of boomers as this and millenials as that, and gen x as something else is pretty much nonsense

there is good and bad and mostly in between for all ages, sexes, races, nationalities and the overarching narrative of generational descriptions is...nonsense

Here's the thing. Boomers waited until WWII Generation was out of their hair to do what they did. This started circa 1985.

I voted for Reagen. Why? Some regulation NEEDED to be deregulated.

Boomers then went nuts. Wall Street became the government. Wall Street grew to over 40% of Corporate Profits. Insane. All the while, BOOMERS were living on the Millennials dime. Why? Because they could.

You're crazy if you think this is stereotyping. What have you done to stop this?

 

[YeOldeCup]

YOU FVCKED AMERICA. If I were a Millennial (and I'm not), I'd bring you up on charges of treason.

Nice try trying to deflect....Boomer. I heard TV LAND is having a marathon of FATHER KNOWS BEST tonight. Tomorrow, THE DONNA REED SHOW has marathon.

Go make a Metamucil Mimosa and knock yourself out.

I'll leave you with this -- I've raised two wonderful, high achieving millennials who would size you up instantly -- and walk away.

 

[PSUPhreak]

Behind every millennial is a boomer making six figures, but doesn’t know how to open a PDF file.

 

[jrd23psu]

Simply not true on home prices. You can get a perfectly good home in CLE for $60k. If you want to live in the same house as your parent's McMansion at age 26, yeah, that's an issue. Save, build assets and work your way up, just as many of the boomers did.

Wages, finally, are going up. But the cost of living has gone down. Things like high speed internet, Uber, and food access has gone way down. now, if you want fresh berries in January, that costs more. But I couldn't get fresh berries as a kid, at any cost.

Agree on availability of low skilled working jobs, but education is far more available than in 1970. Hell, you can get a degree at PSU without leaving your home. You can get a good programming job by going to a six month iOS developers class. Trust me, I am looking for them and it pays $70K to start (in Austin). Trump is working on getting manufacturing jobs back, so far they are growing quickly.

And on and on it goes. It is a new paradigm. Even bad jobs, working the drive up at McD's, is paying over $10.hr in most places. Doing that math, that is $400/week, $20,000/year with two weeks vacation. And that is a stepping stone to a job paying twice that (tables at outback or ruth's chris).

Yeah, none of

Have you ever been responsible for anything/anyone apart from yourself? It would appear from your posts that you have no idea how things are put together or sustained.

Feel free to continue your assault on those who have provided you the opportunity to be whatever it is you are. That is the opportunity our generations and country have provided.

Arrogant and entitled. You sum up Boomers. Your generation was born on third base and you think you hit a triple.

Your post does say everything we need to know about you. You consider the generations after the Boomer’s “leftovers.”

I cannot stress enough just how poison the Boomer generation is. The day you are all gone this country will finally be able to move forward instead constantly having the Boomers try to drag it back to the 1950s.

 

[YeOldeCup]

Yeah, none of


Arrogant and entitled. You sum up Boomers. Your generation was born on third base and you think you hit a triple.

Your post does say everything we need to know about you. You consider the generations after the Boomer’s “leftovers.”

I cannot stress enough just how poison the Boomer generation is. The day you are all gone this country will finally be able to move forward instead constantly having the Boomers try to drag it back to the 1950s.

You are clueless and apparently, helpless. My father grew up in a house that didn't have indoor plumbing until he was in his teens. His family grew their own vegetables and relied heavily on game for meat. The house I grew up in was quite modest and we also grew our own produce. I earned an academic ROTC scholarship and repaid that with 10 years of active duty service.

Please outline my "entitlement."

Malcontents tend to deflect their misery to anyone or anything else but themselves.

 

[Psychedelic_MackDaddy]

Behind every millennial is a boomer making six figures, but doesn’t know how to open a PDF file.

There's was a female comedian (don't recall her name) that said she's not looking for a type A male to protect her from Tigers and Bears. She just wants to date a guy who can get her pictures downloaded from the cloud.

 

[Psychedelic_MackDaddy]

I'll leave you with this -- I've raised two wonderful, high achieving millennials who would size you up instantly -- and walk away.

Are they Jewish women? Jewish women have always found me enticing. I think it's because I can dance. Or, maybe it's my Italian Sausage. Not sure.

 

[KnightWhoSaysNit]

It's not overly complicated what happened (to young men):

1. The world catches up to the U.S. in manufacturing, roughly one generation after the end of WWII.
2. The U.S. (and former Soviet Union) spend much of their wealth on a cold war, and various associated proxy wars. (Later, the U.S. support of Israel -- a casualty of WWII -- creates various other wars, including the War on Terror.) In the end it becomes a huge expense and waste of money/people. Our actions make us the de facto world police, at our expense.
3. We have inflation by oil embargo pricing followed by recession, but ... the way we get out of that recession is through government borrowing. That precedent gets cast in stone. It actually becomes a windfall for investors (a somewhat different topic).
4. Many more women enter the workforce to maintain a family standard of living amidst increased foreign competition.
5. The real problem of competitiveness against cheap foreign labor doesn't get told. We're told we'll become a "service economy," i.e., each will cut the other's hair. We borrow to boost our economy so that we can continue to buy foreign manufactured goods, primarily from China. We get a false sense of living standard while cutting each other's hair, as all kinds of debt grows.
6. Families fall apart. Children become parts of the his, hers, and ours. No one is minding the home and the family unit.
7. Trends continue as the world shrinks even further with the advent of the internet and improved automation. Living standards of the unskilled struggle to be maintained with both parents working.
8. Kids don't get the attention and start early in life that they need to be successful in school and later in life. They fall behind. Parents blame the schools. The schools dumb down to make everything look OK.
9. The dumbing down spreads to the college level. Government decides everybody should be able to go to college, so they make it easy for kids to mortgage their futures. More borrowing.
10. Bureaucrats and developers take advantage. "Colleges" grow into campus monstrosities. Big time sports and luxury housing become some of the key attractions for that borrowed wealth.
11. Cell phones and social networking (like what I'm doing right now, but in retirement) become a major distraction and symptom of the dumbing down problem.
12. Social welfare grows and becomes a viable option to working at a job that doesn't pay enough for middle class living.
13. Two classes of people emerge: Those with knowledge and skills (in medicine, science, and engineering) versus "others." Among the others are a few good entrepreneurs and small business managers, but far too many bureaucrats and low skill people that struggle to follow simple instructions.
14. Government essentially shuts down while it grows debt as liberals make conservatives the enemy, and vice versa. The media polarizes right along with the government. The only people that take in the news are those that already have a side. The others stay tuned out. All stay uninformed. Ironically, the only real source of news turns out to be foreign (the BBC), just like most of the other goods we buy.

Everybody points the finger at someone else. In reality, everyone is culpable.

Young men see the promised land as so far out of reach that they give up. If they are minority men their plight is the result of past persecution. If they're white men their plight is the result of affirmative action and other policies that favor women and minorities. Illegals are taking their good jobs. By their nature (testosterone) they become easily agitated, frustrated at being unable to afford the girl, and aggressive against anyone in authority. They can't keep a job because they're undisciplined, have little respect for authority, and believe they're worth more. They see what their parents have.

Many turn to crime or drugs.

The parents, who benefitted from the growth and borrowing of the past, own a house big enough for all. Young men become cellar dwellers in those big houses. The parents are clueless.

 

[YeOldeCup]

It's not overly complicated what happened (to young men):

1. The world catches up to the U.S. in manufacturing, roughly one generation after the end of WWII.
2. The U.S. (and former Soviet Union) spend much of their wealth on a cold war, and various associated proxy wars. (Later, the U.S. support of Israel -- a casualty of WWII -- creates various other wars, including the War on Terror.) In the end it becomes a huge expense and waste of money/people. Our actions make us the de facto world police, at our expense.
3. We have inflation by oil embargo pricing followed by recession, but ... the way we get out of that recession is through government borrowing. That precedent gets cast in stone. It actually becomes a windfall for investors (a somewhat different topic).
4. Many more women enter the workforce to maintain a family standard of living amidst increased foreign competition.
5. The real problem of competitiveness against cheap foreign labor doesn't get told. We're told we'll become a "service economy," i.e., each will cut the other's hair. We borrow to boost our economy so that we can continue to buy foreign manufactured goods, primarily from China. We get a false sense of living standard while cutting each other's hair, as all kinds of debt grows.
6. Families fall apart. Children become parts of the his, hers, and ours. No one is minding the home and the family unit.
7. Trends continue as the world shrinks even further with the advent of the internet and improved automation. Living standards of the unskilled struggle to be maintained with both parents working.
8. Kids don't get the attention and start early in life that they need to be successful in school and later in life. They fall behind. Parents blame the schools. The schools dumb down to make everything look OK.
9. The dumbing down spreads to the college level. Government decides everybody should be able to go to college, so they make it easy for kids to mortgage their futures. More borrowing.
10. Bureaucrats and developers take advantage. "Colleges" grow into campus monstrosities. Big time sports and luxury housing become some of the key attractions for that borrowed wealth.
11. Cell phones and social networking (like what I'm doing right now, but in retirement) become a major distraction and symptom of the dumbing down problem.
12. Social welfare grows and becomes a viable option to working at a job that doesn't pay enough for middle class living.
13. Two classes of people emerge: Those with knowledge and skills (in medicine, science, and engineering) versus "others." Among the others are a few good entrepreneurs and small business managers, but far too many bureaucrats and low skill people that struggle to follow simple instructions.
14. Government essentially shuts down while it grows debt as liberals make conservatives the enemy, and vice versa. The media polarizes right along with the government. The only people that take in the news are those that already have a side. The others stay tuned out. All stay uninformed. Ironically, the only real source of news turns out to be foreign (the BBC), just like most of the other goods we buy.

Everybody points the finger at someone else. In reality, everyone is culpable.

Young men see the promised land as so far out of reach that they give up. If they are minority men their plight is the result of past persecution. If they're white men their plight is the result of affirmative action and other policies that favor women and minorities. Illegals are taking their good jobs. By their nature (testosterone) they become easily agitated, frustrated at being unable to afford the girl, and aggressive against anyone in authority. They can't keep a job because they're undisciplined, have little respect for authority, and believe they're worth more. They see what their parents have.

Many turn to crime or drugs.

The parents, who benefitted from the growth and borrowing of the past, own a house big enough for all. Young men become cellar dwellers in those big houses. The parents are clueless.

What a ridiculous list of prepackaged excuses.

Everyone is responsible for their own future. Many, many people from all walks of life have overcome far more than your collection of scapegoat rationalizations.

 

[Psychedelic_MackDaddy]

What a ridiculous list of prepackaged excuses.

Everyone is responsible for their own future. Many, many people from all walks of life have overcome far more than your collection of scapegoat rationalizations.

Is their an intermission in your FATHER KNOWS BEST marathon on TV LAND?

What (ahem) recession did the boomers go through? And, let's be candid....it was a fvxking DEPRESSION.

You Boomers like to rename things to your liking. So, allow me to retort:

You sociopathic BABY BOOMERS seized Washington and how exactly is America better? After the USSR collapsed in 1989, about 2.5 Billion CHEAP laborers opened up and you took full advantage. Made YOUR BOTTOMLINE even better.

But, soon, you'll be sh1tting in your depends needing a Millennial to help clean you. At that point, Millennials will be in the White House. And, they will take everything you own. If needed, they will change a law here and there to make it (ahem) LEGAL. I learned that from the BOOMERS.

 

[KnightWhoSaysNit]

What a ridiculous list of prepackaged excuses.

Everyone is responsible for their own future. Many, many people from all walks of life have overcome far more than your collection of scapegoat rationalizations.

Rationalizations -- Yes. It's merely history.

Scapegoats -- No. There are a lot of culpable people, including the young men themselves (out of "free will.")

Every (free adult) is responsible for their future. That isn't the point (which you obviously missed).

The truth is, we are products of our parents (their genes) and the environment (largely provided by the parents during the early years). We are nothing more than that. We cannot be more than that (unless you believe there is some sort of divine action that is intervening and controlling things -- another subject).

If someone has a weakness (or a strength), it came from somewhere. It did not fall from heaven. People act based on who they are -- how they developed -- their strengths, weaknesses, and environment. During the critical years of development (toddlers) people are largely not responsible. Increased individual responsibility is a gradual process. At this point in history, and in this country, we assume complete responsibility at age 18, hence the "minor" designation. In other words, at that point a person is considered fully responsible for their future, whether prepared or unprepared. Before that age, it's a shared responsibility.

Here's the kicker -- you believe the way you believe largely by the way you were raised. You have trouble seeing a different perspective, also by the way you were raised.

 

[Odwil]

Talked with GM executive this evening. He said the two biggest problems facing auto industry is the Chinese stealing intellectual property and the lack of home grown talent. Most of talent coming from Asian countries especially India and China who combine for almost 2 ½ billion people. Many anxious to put in a full days labor.

 

[jrd23psu]

You are clueless and apparently, helpless. My father grew up in a house that didn't have indoor plumbing until he was in his teens. His family grew their own vegetables and relied heavily on game for meat. The house I grew up in was quite modest and we also grew our own produce. I earned an academic ROTC scholarship and repaid that with 10 years of active duty service.

Please outline my "entitlement."

Malcontents tend to deflect their misery to anyone or anything else but themselves.

Your personal anecdotes are meaningless here.

Alow me to be the first Xennial to tell you this. Your generation is not special. You snowflakes don’t have a monopoly on running the country. The world isn’t going to end when you selfish assholes die.

From a Xennial to a Boomer:

We aren’t impressed with you. Your generation are snowflakes and are poison. We never wanted the “participation trophies” you invented. What we want is for you old, entitled, poison pills to go away.

 

[YeOldeCup]

Rationalizations -- Yes. It's merely history.

Scapegoats -- No. There are a lot of culpable people, including the young men themselves (out of "free will.")

Every (free adult) is responsible for their future. That isn't the point (which you obviously missed).

The truth is, we are products of our parents (their genes) and the environment (largely provided by the parents during the early years). We are nothing more than that. We cannot be more than that (unless you believe there is some sort of divine action that is intervening and controlling things -- another subject).

If someone has a weakness (or a strength), it came from somewhere. It did not fall from heaven. People act based on who they are -- how they developed -- their strengths, weaknesses, and environment. During the critical years of development (toddlers) people are largely not responsible. Increased individual responsibility is a gradual process. At this point in history, and in this country, we assume complete responsibility at age 18, hence the "minor" designation. In other words, at that point a person is considered fully responsible for their future, whether prepared or unprepared. Before that age, it's a shared responsibility.

Here's the kicker -- you believe the way you believe largely by the way you were raised. You have trouble seeing a different perspective, also by the way you were raised.

It's not history -- it's your personal opinion, which does not equate to fact.

I was raised to be responsible for myself and my future, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[YeOldeCup]

Your personal anecdotes are meaningless here.

Alow me to be the first Xennial to tell you this. Your generation is not special. You snowflakes don’t have a monopoly on running the country. The world isn’t going to end when you selfish assholes die.

From a Xennial to a Boomer:

We aren’t impressed with you. Your generation are snowflakes and are poison. We never wanted the “participation trophies” you invented. What we want is for you old, entitled, poison pills to go away.

So you belittle that which refutes your premises. I haven't used any profanity or name calling, which is where you have fallen. You have lost the argument. Goodnight.

 

[YeOldeCup]

Is their an intermission in your FATHER KNOWS BEST marathon on TV LAND?

What (ahem) recession did the boomers go through? And, let's be candid....it was a fvxking DEPRESSION.

You Boomers like to rename things to your liking. So, allow me to retort:

You sociopathic BABY BOOMERS seized Washington and how exactly is America better? After the USSR collapsed in 1989, about 2.5 Billion CHEAP laborers opened up and you took full advantage. Made YOUR BOTTOMLINE even better.

But, soon, you'll be sh1tting in your depends needing a Millennial to help clean you. At that point, Millennials will be in the White House. And, they will take everything you own. If needed, they will change a law here and there to make it (ahem) LEGAL. I learned that from the BOOMERS.

There is no having a rational discussion with you. Here ends our dialogue.

 

[KnightWhoSaysNit]

I was raised to be responsible for myself and my future, nothing more, nothing less.

Well that's great. I'm glad you were well-raised.

But what many people like you can't seem to grasp is that there are others (perhaps most these days) who were not well-raised, and now they're expected to be responsible. It isn't going to happen. Seeds were sown long ago. I tried to show that.

There is a reason that raising kids the right way is important. You can't just say: "Well, you're 18 now. I know you were beaten, fed poorly, and neglected as a child, but time to snap out of it." Or, "Yea, I know I handed you everything in life, but now you're 18 and you need to take over, provide for yourself. You're responsible now."

Doesn't work that way. The history I provided is what I believe got us to where we are with these young men being unprepared for life. In my view it's a lost generation.

This thread has one generation pitted against another, with complete intolerance. It inherently supports my contention.

Once things get bad enough this is the sort of thing that ignites revolutions. In a democracy the masses will vote for socialism. The socialism will drive more poverty. Then violence, revolution, and a return to freedom after considerable pain. Rinse and repeat.

 

[Nitt1300]

Well that's great. I'm glad you were well-raised.

But what many people like you can't seem to grasp is that there are others (perhaps most these days) who were not well-raised, and now they're expected to be responsible. It isn't going to happen. Seeds were sown long ago. I tried to show that.

There is a reason that raising kids the right way is important. You can't just say: "Well, you're 18 now. I know you were beaten, fed poorly, and neglected as a child, but time to snap out of it." Or, "Yea, I know I handed you everything in life, but now you're 18 and you need to take over, provide for yourself. You're responsible now."

Doesn't work that way. The history I provided is what I believe got us to where we are with these young men being unprepared for life. In my view it's a lost generation.

This thread has one generation pitted against another, with complete intolerance. It inherently supports my contention.

Once things get bad enough this is the sort of thing that ignites revolutions. In a democracy the masses will vote for socialism. The socialism will drive more poverty. Then violence, revolution, and a return to freedom after considerable pain. Rinse and repeat.

I agree with your underlying point, but there is no equivalence between either capitalism or socialism to freedom- or lack of it. No country I can think of practices either total capitalism or total socialism today anyway, it's always some blend of the two.

I would not want to live in a country that practiced all of either.

 

[mn78psu83]

Why is this fascinating? Every generation has people that don't want to work. Boomers had the hippies and my generation had the "Madonna and music geeks". What does this show?

If you want a better picture into the "GREAT FVCKENING" by Baby Boomer Economics, track Medical School and PA school statistics from 2006 through 2016.

FIRST TIME APPLYING TO MED SCHOOL:

2006: 29,492
.
.
2016: 38,782

The number of slots available did not increase.

MULTIPLE TIMES APPLYING (i.e., rejected at least once):

2006: 39,108
.
.
2016: 53,042

Now, all these (ahem) deadbeat Millennials had to meet MINIMUM Requirements with GPA, Core Science Courses, MCAT.

You mean those that didn't get accepted were deadbeats? Weren't working their tails off to get in?

You give ONE example of some deadbeat and extrapolate that to ALL Millennials? SHAME ON YOU!

My example is more descriptive of the Millennial plight. Baby Boomers FVCKED this generation all so people in the 1% could go into the 0.1% income; and, those in the 0.1% income could go into the 0.01% income.

Millennials (and rightfully, so) are going to bring the deck of cards crashing.

Keep calling Millennials worthless. All they did was fight in Afghanistan and Iraq. And, they graduated college during a time when Baby Boomers KNOWINGLY AND PURPOSEFULLY fvcked them. Why? Because Greenspan didn't believe in regulating FRAUD!