It's the unfortunate part of Internet boards. Even look at this board. No one is trying to have a civil discussion about what should be a good game. It sucks that Internet boards are this way but it is what it is. People calling others trolls and acting the very same way as the people they chastised. It's unfortunate
Figures, I go to the UM board
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Wasn't Michigan also the place with one player raped someone and another player threatened the victim?
I agree but I get so sick and tired of the insults I decided to retaliate. It is what it is.
That's fine with me. I don't blame you. There's things talked about over here that I eventually give into as well.
If you believe freeh's conclusions were largely correct I can only assume you have an agenda. There is absolutely zero evidence joe directed a coverup or there was any coverup, period. And the protecting the football legacy narrative is also complete bs. All of those conclusions are completely baseless. And Joe's actions and Penn State's actions disprove them and fina agreed relative to joe.
I just can't understand how you actually believe, based on that sham report, joe knew kids were getting raped. Shame on u.
See, no one else does because there was no evidence. None, nil, zilch, zero that proved his conclusions. A reasonable doubt is not even close to the bar that his assertions should be measured against. Turns out it was bold faced lying, that's all. These facts have been rehashed a million times on this website. There was no cover-up. Which was Freeh's biggest assertion. When you tell other people and it shows up on the internet circa 2004, it's not a cover up.
The fact that you still give that credence shows you're an idiot or just trolling to get me and everyone else's blood pressure to sky rocket.
Oh by the way, when this made it to a court room in the Corman lawsuit, the NCAA capitulated because it realized the Freeh report was based on nothing and shouldn't have used it as it's basis for moral grandstanding. Now I call that a win in itself, but many here wanted more and wanted it said from a mountain top, but that was never going to happen in that lawsuit.
Freeh was lying? Do you assert that some portion of the exhibits (evidence) listed in the Freeh Report were fabricated? Is that what you are saying?
No, the exhibits were not. They were mis-attributed to this situation though, they revolved around Jerry Dunn, this has been stated by the Paterno's and it's he said she said.
It's the conjecture and opinion that were fabricated lies of a preconceived conclusion to fit an agenda. The evidence was selectively collected to form around the conclusion not the other way around.
But thanks for trying on the gotcha question.
I'm just curious do you have any problem with the UM board saying we enable pedophiles. I too want this game to be about football. Two proud programs trying to get back to the top. You scolded me. I get it but what about the comments I read on your board.
The only tangible evidence is Joe reported what he was told per the law and then PSU then curley reported the situation to second mile. The rest is BS. There's zero upside to covering anything up. It would be the biggest moron play of all time. According to the media and freeh narrative the media would have destroyed Joe and PSU football if joe reported an allegation of horseplay or child abuse (which is what they did anyway.) We have a real fascination with destroying people in this country. We shoot first and clean up the mess later and then pontificate from on high how moral we were to shoot.
Then we agree. There is no tangible evidence that Freeh had a preconceived conclusion (that Freeh did have a preconceived conclusion is an opinion that is fairly widely held here).
It's Michigan week.
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Guess which BOT member refused to go as far as Michnittlion just did. Here are his quotes on Freeh's conclusions:
"I am not saying that the conclusions he drew were unreasonable. I am simply saying that there are other reasonable inferences that could be drawn"
Also:
"I can't say his conclusions were wrong. I don't believe they were unreasonable. I just don't think they are as clear and irrefutable as some people seem to think they are."
Here are some hints. He was on the BOT in November 2011. He said this about that first week after the scandal broke:
"Because at that time there were pending legal proceedings, we had a grand jury presentment, but my feeling at the time was that the grand jury presentment was not equivalent to a determination about what the real facts were."
Do you still need some hints? He was a lawyer. He also co-chaired the SITF because of his Vioxx experience. See p.95, 96, and 15 of his 12/15/2014 for the above quotes: http://av.pasenategop.com/ncaa/discovery/depositions/ken-frazier/transcripts/frazier.pdf
Go back to the beginning of this thread, I didn't say anything until my name was mentioned by others.
AKA --- don't blame me.
I'd just stick with yellow......it fits.
But then again, me thinks he protests too much. The possibility of another screen name being used is also interesting. I haven't seen Cruising 666 posting for a while, hmmmmmmmm.............
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Yeah, given that... Can you imagine how he would do with Franklin's roster of kids from classes ranked from 25-60 -- rather than top 10 classes?
I think you're doing a pretty good job of it yourself...you don't need MichNitLion!
2015-50. 2014-31. 2013-7? 2012-5?
Might be a little off on that but not much. Things to work with for sure but also lost a lot of those to attrition which happens everywhere
Go back to the big glass house board and read the comments that inspired this thread. How about the one saying we enable pedophiles. How do those comments strike you.
Anyone that associates football with what happened is an idiot and demented, especially now 4 years after the fact with those involved either dead or awaiting trial. Anyone that associates the fans, who knew nothing about what happened, with child rape is an embarrassment to mankind and part of the problem.
I've read most of this crap for years...just like the accusations of how the B1G has it against PSU and how they stick behind OSU and U-M...why don't you folks let that go. I use to root for PSU, really admired JoePA, what he produced at PSU with the way they ran the program and won. I've attended games at PSU and seen many great fans of PSU in A2. Great class but BWI...not so much. It's too bad!
Secret meetings uncovered during Corman trial between his team, BOT, and NCAA. So much for independent investigation.
You know all of this...
Yea I don't think complaining about some officiating equates to saying people enable pedophiles but that's me. I've read some really classless things on the UM board. Like you I've had good experiences with UM fans in person but not your board. It's funny you only see things one way.
I went to the Michigan board to read about football insights on what should be a good game. Instead I saw classless comments about us enabling pedophiles. Surprisingly I have a problem with those comments.
I would love to get back to talking football. The js situation and the truth of how it was handled is our business but you people use it as a punchline. That is sad my friend.
What is pathetic? That is easy. PSU failed to defend itself. You cite the Freeh report as evidence that PSU acted prudently and decisively. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Freeh report was a cowardly, dastardly smear job designed to "blame it on the dead guy" and protect the true culprits. The university may have protected itself by blaming the football program, but it did not defend itself. There is a difference. You just can't see it.
Pot calling the kettle black. Look at what you are doing; look who you are saying Michigan "owns." That is no less ridiculous than what they are saying.
It wasn't the evidence, you dipshit, it was the "reasonable conclusions" he drew based upon that evidence.
Right. Freeh drew conclusions about people's motivations and knowledge based on vague emails, and never spoke to any of the people in question. The report did a great disservice to the entire situation and may have forever stalled any serious attempt to understand completely what was going on. I mean, a former Attorney General of the United States has said essentially that it is a crap report.
The fact that there was no serious second look by the media is a function of the absurd fact that sports reporters have driven the coverage. They literally do not know the difference between the Attorney General and a public defender. Good luck getting that group to ever go anywhere near the complexities of this story. If it had been handled by serious investigative journalists from the start, I believe there would have been a lot more attention on things like the people involved in the Second Mile, and other organizations and people Sandusky was involved with post-retirement. And there probably would have been some attention on the politics. It is what it is at this point. I don't think we'll ever really learn anything else.
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Since you broke open a civil conversation.....
Most people don't have the time to spend 3 years here looking for more information. A lot of nuggets have dropped here, and believe it or not, information(both good to PSU and bad) has dropped on the Pitt boards. Personally, I don't see how anyone can believe, let alone beyond a shadow of a doubt that is, that Joe is guilty of anything more than not following it thru.
He said it himself....something to the effect of "he had a team to coach", and he passed it on up the chain. I believe him. That doesn't make you a criminal mastermind. That means you had an oops moment. A very bad screw up, but no where near worthy of taking the sword for all of it. As I have said, no more than 5 to 10% blame.
To me, the true story is what has been documented the past few years about just how corrupt Pa is. I feel the higher ups let Sandusky go, not so much for a FB cover, but all the corruption behind the scenes that they didn't want looked into. The Second Mile was one of many ventures that made the corrupt individuals in Pa even more wealthy. They are the ones I would throw the lions share of blame to on the order of 65 to 70%.
In this age, people refuse to see big picture. It is easier to dismiss things as "conspiracy theory nonsense" than to closely examine something. They gave the folks a tidy little story, and unless people have received the epiphany of how bad shit insane this world is, the explanation rendered is enough.
It kept gnawing at the back of my brain though that Schembechler respected Joe. So I kept digging. That said, for a long time I was quite angry thinking this was all on Joe's directions. The more I learned though, the more my anger at Joe abated.
With that in my mind, the Pnnys of this board have pretty much cemented the corrupt's plan to scapegoat a dying man. The fact these type of people are dismissed with cries of "Ped St" isn't surprising at all. They fit the stereotype that was put forward to hide the evil deeds behind the scenes. The very same typecast that was painted to explain how Joe the mastermind got away with it all.
Some of you are disgusting individuals. Others are hypocrites. Some are both, and even more addled than the simple labels would suggest.
I worked for a PSU grad's NORTEL refurb shop for several years. I know what type of people him and his wife were. I see several posters here that represent those qualities. The Pnnys can kiss my maize n blue arse.
I will say this....I wish people would open their eyes to what in happening not just in Pa, but the United States over all. I also wish when someone is talking about ref favorism, or someone living in the past, they would remember that they are stuck in the 80s, where their team did good, and they got to hand pick their own refs.
Wow. I don't quite understand to whom the last sentence is directed, but at least other than that, here is someone that pretty much gets it.
Anyone would have a tough time imagining you a PSU fan based on most of your posts.
Yeah, good for you Aged Wolverine, that about says it as fairly and as honestly as can be expected from a true competitor. Funny how the old guys seem to get it right. Knowing and loving Bo as you did you at least get why people are so passionately supportive of Joe. There are many, many good people from this University as there are from any organization who go unnoticed; still, the head football coach of any major program always get the brightest spotlight (fair or not). We get to personally know them as they are constantly scrutinized on their very public journey. We also respect them for it because we know many of us would not hold up in the same light.
I also get that the world of sports message boards are full of internet tough guys; the kind of guys who would not dream of saying the same things in public against those very same foes. There is a line here though and when you start calling out all for the sake of a few it crosses it. Especially when the subject is pedophilia, it gets under the skin and stays there, which is exactly why they do it. But then again, we have no one to blame but our corrupt governance.
Nothing I can say here will change that but I would encourage our fan base to continue to fight the good fight. Address the incorrect logic and those that disregard the truth and keep fighting on. Don't tire of the battle, there are many years yet to fight. Keep your heads up knowing the truth is on your side. The "Oh well, It'll never change mentality" is a defeatist attitude and one that shouldn't be allowed to permeate. As fans of sports we only cheer the fighter, the underdog, the one with the deck stacked against them. Hold those same ideals to yourself!
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