Five Years & Our "Leadership".
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Your debating technique leaves a lot to be desired. It is quite clear and obvious that you have no rationale to defend the abysmally poor decisions making of the BOT and PSU administration.
As for #4, the alleged victim said that he was showering in communal shower. Taat is simply a lie. There are no communal showers in East Halls. Zero. Yet, the BOT agreed to pay the liar
...Or running interference for relatives and friends on the board of the 2nd mile...
I was happy to stay on the sidelines of this thread, until this. You really can't believe anything that you say here. That is, unless you're either a current/former member of the OGBOT, or just a complete asshole. Which is it?
There is nothing to debate when it comes to Paterno.and the administration. There are those
(some PSU fans) that believe because he stayed at PSU for half a century, encouraged players
to graduate, gave money to the library and won many games he could do no wrong. Since
he was omnipotent, the only explanation must be that Sandusky, his victims, the governor, the BOT
various other PSU officials, the media, the NCAA, The Big Ten, the former head of the FBI and
numerous other enemies of his conspired to bring him down. And for some reason they waited
until he was 85 years old and dying to do it. I and the rest of the world don't believe that. I will
never change your mind nor you mine.
You still haven't addressed why it was the 'right' thing to do to fire Paterno and why that wasn't a mistake by the BOT.
PaternoHe broke no laws and did not cause any harm to children. He acted responsibly. He met with law enforcement, he voiced what he knew at the grand jury. Yet, he was unceremoniously fired by a bunch of cowardly BOTers who still haven;t done one thing right since November 2011.
I don't believe he was fired as such but he was "relieved of his duties" which at the time amounted
to none. And you don't have to commit a crime to be fired if you are a football coach as
anyone who follows sports should know. Paterno and his cohorts held a meeting about Sandusky's activities and the information they discussed never left that room. All four abdicated their moral responsibility to inform the proper authorities. And there were rumors about inappropriate behavior by Sandusky dating back to at least 1998 when he left the program so this "Joe didn't know" BS doesn't fly with me. So the inaction by the group of four is the reason Paterno's reputation and statue are gone. You and your buddies can spend the next 20 years bemoaning that fact but nothing will change. And your idea of acting responsibly and mine are
far different.
Except for the fact that 98 was investigated by everyone under the sun and psu admins were told by state child welfare it was normal coach behavior, no big deal and harmon told the admins that no crime occurred.
Re: 2001 wtf are you talking about with your "it didnt leave the room" bullshit? That is flat out wrong. The admins told the MANDATORY reporters at TSM that JS was taking an inappropriate shower that made a GA uncomfortable and PSU was revoking his guest privileges. TSM were the folks with direct control over JS access to kids, PSU admins had ZERO control over that. Oh yeah did you also forget that MM testified that no one at PSU ever told him to keep quiet and that he expressed no dissatisfaction when Curley followed up on his vague assumption riddled report?
Folks like yourself who have the view you do, only put more kids at risk bc it takes away attention from the state's dreadfully broken child welfare system. If there was a cover up it was done by TSM/CC CYS/Certain PSU BOT, not by Joe/CSS/psu football. Ever read up on the tutko case?? I suggest you do.
Excuses, excuses. The proper authorities are known as police whose job it is to investigate crimes.
Just because the group of four weren't required to notify the police doesn't mean they shouldn't have.
If you see a stumbling drunk walk out of a bar, get into a car and drive away, you aren't required to notify anyone. But if he later runs over some kids you probably would feel very bad. There is a difference between legal and moral responsibility.
Please explain why toady Cynthia Baldwin sent a letter to Joe which confirmed the fact he was "fired". Yes, she used the word "fired". Your name must be Suhey since you're spewing the "relieved of his duties" line.
Morals are different for everyone. If morals were absolutes they'd be laws. The fact is, Paterno met the letter of the law; plain and simple. He failed no one.
Your BOT heard of Sandusky's activities in May 2011 at a BOT meeting. Nobody - not a single one of them - asked any questions following the presentation by Spanier. Not. A. Single. One. That, my friend, is a failure of leadership to manage and control a situation.
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I'd like to know why myself. And I'm not automatically assuming the lack of questions means the BOT is in the wrong.
In the case of Osprey's parents?
It was a moral failure to not participate
He/she claims to be impartial and for truth and justice. However, his/her responses are shallow and trolling IMHO. His/Her motive seems obvious. I should know better, but thought i had a chance for a decent conversation about the issues. Oh well
Oh good God. More horseshit. As if I don't scrape enough off of my boots.
Discussing something with your "cohorts" via university email and cc'ing your administrative assistant certainly isn't keeping that information "secret".
What's the real reason you come on here? I hope you're getting paid well - because if not, this is some seriously stoopid shizz you're typing. It's embarrassing actually.
Discussing something with your "cohorts" via university email and cc'ing your administrative assistant certainly isn't keeping that information "secret".
What's the real reason you come on here? I hope you're getting paid well - because if not, this is some seriously stoopid shizz you're typing. It's embarrassing actually.
Shallow and trolling? What can be more shallow than claiming morality is a non issue?
What is it that people don't get about doing what's legal? When you have a law, and in this case, when you have laws pertaining to reporting child abuse, you either comply with the law or you don't. It's yes/no, pass/fail. It's not like taking a course in school where you earn a higher grade or bonus points if you do extra work, or write longer term papers.
You either obey the speed limit or you don't. If the speed limit is 65 and you're doing 64, you're following the law. You're not twice as moral if you slow down to 32. When reporting child abuse, there are specific protocols to follow, specific people to report to. You don't get to claim higher moral ground if you tell more people, or check in every week to see if the people you told did anything new since last time you checked in, or look for the potential victim himself to interview him.
It's funny that the people who resented Paterno for all this supposed power he had expected him to use it to circumvent the law and procedures written and implemented by "experts." Applaud Triponey for not letting him "interfere" in cases involving active football players, then condemn him for not interfering in a case involving a retired football coach. Which is it, people?
You either obey the speed limit or you don't. If the speed limit is 65 and you're doing 64, you're following the law. You're not twice as moral if you slow down to 32. When reporting child abuse, there are specific protocols to follow, specific people to report to. You don't get to claim higher moral ground if you tell more people, or check in every week to see if the people you told did anything new since last time you checked in, or look for the potential victim himself to interview him.
It's funny that the people who resented Paterno for all this supposed power he had expected him to use it to circumvent the law and procedures written and implemented by "experts." Applaud Triponey for not letting him "interfere" in cases involving active football players, then condemn him for not interfering in a case involving a retired football coach. Which is it, people?
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Wow, Osprey Lion. You and I have VERY different takes on this whole thing. And Joe Paterno.
In my mind, not nearly as embarrassing as spouting half baked conspiracy theories
worthy of an X-Files episode.
No x 5 = Admirals Surma, Masser, Lubert & OGBOT SHIP OF FOOLS. Their # 1 & only priority.....self interest. I pray they all rot in hell.
You don't believe he was fired? There is the a letter from your girlfriend Cindy. OGBOT were so tight w/ TSM...BUSINESS & FAMILY MEMBERS. Do wives speak to their husbands...sons to fathers? You are more than an idiot if you think key trustees acted in good faith. Next you will try to sell the independent Freeh Report? lol holy John & Vic.
A likely hired gun daring to use the moral high ground to defend Surma, Lubert, Frazier, Judas, Suhey, Peetz,Corbett et al....incredible.
I have followed this disaster since the beginning and please someone correct me if I'm wrong but Ospreys quote ," Paterno and his cohorts held a meeting about Sandusky's activities and the information they discussed never left that room. All four abdicated their moral responsibility to inform the proper authorities."
What meeting of those "four"? Didn't Paterno call Curley and then Mike met with Curley /Schultz? There was never a meeting of the "four". At least if you want to condemn Paterno(and the other 3), get your facts right. Paterno thought he'd done the "right" thing per policy, then stepped back.
What meeting of those "four"? Didn't Paterno call Curley and then Mike met with Curley /Schultz? There was never a meeting of the "four". At least if you want to condemn Paterno(and the other 3), get your facts right. Paterno thought he'd done the "right" thing per policy, then stepped back.
OL making "facts" up out of whole cloth
Just another of the TOS Circle-Jerk mob......who have now immigrated over here.
Was there four, five or three? It's amazing that you and those of your ilk want to discuss the minutia
because you can't see the forest for the trees. The bottom line is the police who are the proper authorities to investigate crimes were never notified. I haven't studied this case looking for loopholes like so many of you have. But I do know right from wrong. I'm amazed that you and so many others don't.
Since you have all the answers, explain why Jack Raykovits isn't in prison and hasn't lost his license. Why isn't Bruce Heim on trial? How about Dranov? Why didn't Freeh mention them? By their own words, they admit they were told about Sandusky and didn't call police. Or do townies have a different moral standard to follow?
What is the matter with you people? You can't read, think or exhibit an ounce of common sense.
For the last time, Paterno committed no crime. What he did do is abdicate his moral responsibility
which cost him his reputation and statue. Nothing more. Get a clue.
Calling you out for making up pure bullshit out of whole cloth.......is NOT minutia
But, of course, you know that - you Circle-Jerking douchebag
You stupid a$$
The only way JVP would have abdicated his moral responsibility is if he believed C/S/S had mishandled the situation. Would you please show some evidence supporting your position?
BTW, do you think MM abdicated his moral responsibility?
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