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Flo 184 Rankings

The top 14 wrestlers at 184 are very good. It's hard to remember a weight that was this deep. Probably not going to be a lot of bonus point wins at nationals.
 
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diggerpup said:
Hey Bo ... you can wrestle 184 next year to prep with 86kg freestyle.

Go back down to 74 and win a title.
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How about Bo go at whatever you think your best weight is and win a title no matter what weight that is. I don't see it as a given that he can't beat Dean. In fact, I would say it was 50/50, of course that's thru blue tinted glasses. Plus, almost every year there is a lock to win a title that then doesn't. Snyder beat GWiz, IMar beat Realbuto, GWiz beat Nelson, Q beat Kilgore, Dake beat St. John, Caldwell beat Metcalf and on and on.
 
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184 is being called...the deepest weight class, and it's not close...by CP and others. Easy to see why. 165 is not bad either
 
I would usually embrace Bo for taking the challenge.

But in this case, my #1 priority as a fan is a team title - and winning the team title is a higher probability with Bo at 174.

I sure hope Bo does excel, but my eyes tell me a PSU team title in March is more mathematically probable with Nickal at 174.

That's my argument.
 
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diggerpup said:
I would usually embrace Bo for taking the challenge.

But in this case, my #1 priority as a fan is a team title - and winning the team title is a higher probability with Bo at 174.

I sure hope Bo does excel, but my eyes tell me a PSU team title in March is more mathematically probable with Nickal at 174.

That's my argument.
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"my #1 priority as a fan"?? Sorry, but you lost me with that statement. Where's Bo's priority? Where's Coach's priority? Where's Bo's family's priority? I thought, as a fan, my only role in the grand scheme of things was to trust and support the folks that know what they're doing.
 
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If Bo goes 184 and wins the title he may, infact, be helping the team even more. Iowa and OSU both have guys they expect high AA finishes from and he could knock them down a peg in the process. Rasheed at 174 could very well outplace either Cutch or Rasheed at 174. Nobody including the coaches and wrestlers will know the outcome in advance. It seems safe to assume Bo expects to win 184 if he is going there- I'm unlikely to bet against him.
 
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Just a reminder: Bo to 184 is still speculation. The only actual word we have is the PennLive article where Cael said the plan was 174.

CP was completely unaware of that article when he published his 174 rankings -- one of our posters (offhand I think it was Tikk) tweeted that article to him afterward.

Flo also missed Hammond going 157 instead of 165.

Point is, let's not treat it as fact or as FACT! until we see something more concrete.
 
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El-Jefe said:
Just a reminder: Bo to 184 is still speculation. The only actual word we have is the PennLive article where Cael said the plan was 174.

CP was completely unaware of that article when he published his 174 rankings -- one of our posters (offhand I think it was Tikk) tweeted that article to him afterward.

Flo also missed Hammond going 157 instead of 165.

Point is, let's not treat it as fact or as FACT! until we see something more concrete.
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Agree. Good post.
 
RoarLions1 said:
"my #1 priority as a fan"?? Sorry, but you lost me with that statement. Where's Bo's priority? Where's Coach's priority? Where's Bo's family's priority? I thought, as a fan, my only role in the grand scheme of things was to trust and support the folks that know what they're doing.
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The post could have been better worded perhaps, but it was pretty clear what the guy was trying to say - he thinks PSU has a better title shot with Nickal at 174.
 
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It used to be for a lot of PSU wrestlers the pinnacle was an NCAA title. Cael had bumped the bar to the point where the boys coming into the program most definitely want to win at the college level but are focused on Olympic aspirations. This means sometimes a wrestler will decide to go at a weight that benefits them most from an international level. If Bo goes 184, he's decided now is the time to make the move regardless of the impact it has on his projected NCAA placing.

Get used to it guys, this is the price we will pay to attract world class athletes. I can live with it.
 
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NoVa Lion said:
How about Bo go at whatever you think your best weight is and win a title no matter what weight that is. I don't see it as a given that he can't beat Dean. In fact, I would say it was 50/50, of course that's thru blue tinted glasses. Plus, almost every year there is a lock to win a title that then doesn't. Snyder beat GWiz, IMar beat Realbuto, GWiz beat Nelson, Q beat Kilgore, Dake beat St. John, Caldwell beat Metcalf and on and on.
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Yep, and Quentin vs Kilgore is exactly what came to my mind. Kilgore was too strong, Q wasn't big enough, etc., etc.

Wouldn't bet against Bo wherever he winds up (and yeah, no doubt 184 looks tough).
 
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Well said everyone...184 is / will be a meat grinder of a weight class.

Oh, and I left you several PM's on Scout, El-Jefe...can't do it here.
 
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To just second Roy's take on it.
If Bo is wrestling 184 this year, paraphrasing Cael - it is part of the plan, somebody have a better plan they care to articulate to Cael? Bo will be a (probably the) major force at whatever weight he wrestles this year. Assuming he is going 184, he will be big enough, strong enough, slick enough and ready. If I was forced to place a bet on a single individual at 184 from those listed in this ranking - I would bet on Bo.
 
Roar, thanks for the heads-up. I got a couple emails saying I have messages, but for some reason I can't open my Scout inbox from my phone -- can't even see what messages I have, let alone read them. Will check next time surf from my laptop.
 
Didn't Dean and Bo have a fairly competitive freestyle match in the last couple of years? I know it was freestyle, but I remember him being significantly smaller than Dean but still somewhat competitive. If he's grown into a decent sized 184 hes got a shot to beat anyone.
 
IIRC Dean won 3-2 on 3 push outs. Nickal with the only takedown. Also, Bo was way undersized too. Not saying Bo will beat Dean, but I'm not betting against him either. Hopefully he has been hanging out with Frank, Zain, etc in the weight room.
 
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I'm warming up to the idea of Bo @184. Excellent challenge for him & more entertainment for us.
As far as the team race ramifications: SR or MM could do some damage @174 and grab a podium finish somewhere. AA's at both weights is more likely w/Bo @184. And if nothing else, they're holding a helluva ace in the hole @174 as a back-up plan.;)
 
jrod9 said:
IIRC Dean won 3-2 on 3 push outs. Nickal with the only takedown. Also, Bo was way undersized too. Not saying Bo will beat Dean, but I'm not betting against him either. Hopefully he has been hanging out with Frank, Zain, etc in the weight room.
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I had forgotten about that match so I looked up the bracket after I saw your post.

You were correct about the 3-2 score.

It was the 2014 Junior World Team trials. The weight class was 84 kg. I was surprised to see that Mark Hall competed in the weight class too. Hall beat Tim Dudley by tech fall, then lost 9-2 to Nickal. Nickal went on to beat Jack Dechow by tech fall then lose to Brett Pfarr.
 
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El-Jefe said:
Bo should be very worried. So should Dean, and everyone else.
Signed,
Pat Downey II and III
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More entertaining and full of bs than a dumpster fire
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Cali_Nittany said:
More entertaining and full of bs than a dumpster fire
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The Downeys no doubt live by the high-minded creed so eloquently voiced by former Buckeye O-Lineman, career NFL practice-squadder and all-around Renaissance Man currently residing in the "where are they now" category, Michael Brewster:

" now I know you told me you were homosexual yesterday but its alright I still will accecpt you as a buckeye if you commit NOW!!!!! hahaha...whats the ohio state modo...win rings..**** bitches..get paid...yeaaaaaaaaaaaaa"
 
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RoarLions1 said:
"my #1 priority as a fan"?? Sorry, but you lost me with that statement. Where's Bo's priority? Where's Coach's priority? Where's Bo's family's priority? I thought, as a fan, my only role in the grand scheme of things was to trust and support the folks that know what they're doing.
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My only priority as a fan is to root for PSU as well! Nicely put.
 
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El-Jefe said:
Just a reminder: Bo to 184 is still speculation. The only actual word we have is the PennLive article where Cael said the plan was 174.

CP was completely unaware of that article when he published his 174 rankings -- one of our posters (offhand I think it was Tikk) tweeted that article to him afterward.

Flo also missed Hammond going 157 instead of 165.

Point is, let's not treat it as fact or as FACT! until we see something more concrete.
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Not only was I aware of that article, I wrote an article about the news reported in that article (that's confusing).

I seemed unaware, because Tikk essentially said, "Did you miss the article where Cael said Bo was going 174?" or something to that effect. The answer to that truly is YES, I hadn't seen an article that said that. Still haven't. The one he went on to send, was one I was aware of where Cael couldn't have been less definitive.

How anyone could read these words: "Long term he will go to 184 eventually. When that is, who knows? It could be this year, I would guess definitely in a year from now he would go up. We'll see, it's up to him and whether he grows or not.'' and believe Bo is going 174, is beyond me.
 
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ChristianPyles said:
Not only was I aware of that article, I wrote an article about the news reported in that article (that's confusing).

I seemed unaware, because Tikk essentially said, "Did you miss the article where Cael said Bo was going 174?" or something to that effect. The answer to that truly is YES, I hadn't seen an article that said that. Still haven't. The one he went on to send, was one I was aware of where Cael couldn't have been less definitive.

How anyone could read these words: "Long term he will go to 184 eventually. When that is, who knows? It could be this year, I would guess definitely in a year from now he would go up. We'll see, it's up to him and whether he grows or not.'' and believe Bo is going 174, is beyond me.
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Well, you omitted the part of the article where Cael also said that he expects Bo to maintain 174 this year. In the absence of any other information available to fans at that point outside of message board rumors, Cael's expectation, definitive or not, was/is still the most definitive statement on the matter. albeit not terribly definitive.
I'm not going to get into why, since that exchange, I also believe Bo will be going 184, but with respect to information available publicly to fans, Cael's expectation hasn't been trumped by anything more reliable or definitive. As a wrestling journalist, you're at a distinct advantage to most fans on this point, and very likely have sources that render Cael's statement less reliable since the time it was made. And if that's the case, it's not exactly an arms-length argument you're bringing here. If you're only relying on the same widely available rumors, how are they more definitive than Cael's stated expectation?
 
ChristianPyles said:
Not only was I aware of that article, I wrote an article about the news reported in that article (that's confusing).

I seemed unaware, because Tikk essentially said, "Did you miss the article where Cael said Bo was going 174?" or something to that effect. The answer to that truly is YES, I hadn't seen an article that said that. Still haven't. The one he went on to send, was one I was aware of where Cael couldn't have been less definitive.

How anyone could read these words: "Long term he will go to 184 eventually. When that is, who knows? It could be this year, I would guess definitely in a year from now he would go up. We'll see, it's up to him and whether he grows or not.'' and believe Bo is going 174, is beyond me.
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The head coach said he expects Nickal to go 174, and you said he'll go 184.

Give us a reason to believe the head coach's expectation is no longer correct. I'm open to believing you. Just give us a reason to believe it's anything other than speculation.

Everything else above is obfuscation.
 
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Cali_Nittany said:
Bo will do just fine in either weight. If Bo goes 184, Rasheed will be an AA at 174. Fact!
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I hesitate to state the obvious, but Rasheed becoming an AA at 174 is not a fact, despite how many exclamation points you add. Right now it's nothing more than an opinion about a scenario that may not even occur.
 
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ChristianPyles said:
Not only was I aware of that article, I wrote an article about the news reported in that article (that's confusing).

I seemed unaware, because Tikk essentially said, "Did you miss the article where Cael said Bo was going 174?" or something to that effect. The answer to that truly is YES, I hadn't seen an article that said that. Still haven't. The one he went on to send, was one I was aware of where Cael couldn't have been less definitive.

How anyone could read these words: "Long term he will go to 184 eventually. When that is, who knows? It could be this year, I would guess definitely in a year from now he would go up. We'll see, it's up to him and whether he grows or not.'' and believe Bo is going 174, is beyond me.
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CP: Here is the article from August 9. Cael goes through the lineup by weights and lists Bo at 174.

In an unrelated note, The FLO article on Penn State's schedule is missing 2 meets.
Fri., Feb. 10
vs.
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Illinois * University Park, Pa. 7:00 p.m. ET

Sun., Feb. 12 vs.
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Maryland * University Park, Pa. 2:00 p.m. ET
 
Kind of off topic but from that same Pennlive article...

285: Nick Nevills. "He's full speed and been having a good summer and getting bigger; he's been lifting a lot. He's ready. Just stay healthy and hungry,'' Sanderson said.

Just thought I'd post this so spyker could relax a little knowing that Cael himself says that Nevills has been "lifting a lot."
 
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caliPSUfan said:
Kind of off topic but from that same Pennlive article...

285: Nick Nevills. "He's full speed and been having a good summer and getting bigger; he's been lifting a lot. He's ready. Just stay healthy and hungry,'' Sanderson said.

Just thought I'd post this so spyker could relax a little knowing that Cael himself says that Nevills has been "lifting a lot."
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Yes, but is he lifting hard?
 
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