Flu bug

[purescurve]

After about 2 hours of consideration I have decided that the flu bug as a factor in some of the lackluster performances in our middle weights Friday night at Carver. The tipping point for me was Caels post-match comments regarding " Zain is one of the toughest young men I have ever known" not exact but close.
When Zain came out flat footed and slow reaction time the bells started to ring, then Jason didn't seem to be himself, Mark seemed out of it, and maybe, just maybe Bo figured he better get it over with asap while he still had the energy, then Cutch with the deadpan look at the end just seemed to not have the energy and just wanted to get out of there with the win. Oh, I forgot VC. He had a good first period...
You would have to ask spyer who was rolling with who during the week(lots of contact)but it sure seemed like it to me.

 

[PSUBluebird]

My wife even asked what was wrong with Zain that he looked like he lacked zest and energy compared to norm. He was definitely off his game.

 

[matter7172]

It wouldn't surprise me if this were the case, but I like how no excuses were made and PSU beat Iowa at Carver. Yes, the team as a whole looked to be lacking energy to me as I was watching the match. Not their best performances, but a great result as a team.

 

[liex26]

I still believe it was all Sorenson. He wouldn't let Zain push him around and grind him out like he does with everybody else. I think Zain slipped on the first escape, but Sorenson has been working on bottom and it shows. I also think Zain makes an adjustment and it isn't close next time on neutral mat.

 

[purescurve]

I still believe it was all Sorenson. He wouldn't let Zain push him around and grind him out like he does with everybody else. I think Zain slipped on the first escape, but Sorenson has been working on bottom and it shows. I also think Zain makes an adjustment and it isn't close next time on neutral mat.

No doubt. Brandon wrestled like I know he can wrestle. Kid's a stud, loved his footwork, best match I have seen him wrestle but I stand with my assumption.

 

[tikk10]

Flu bug sucks, yeah, which is why I bit the bullet and upgraded to Flu Pro for the year.

 

[NoVa Lion]

After about 2 hours of consideration I have decided that the flu bug as a factor in some of the lackluster performances in our middle weights Friday night at Carver. The tipping point for me was Caels post-match comments regarding " Zain is one of the toughest young men I have ever known" not exact but close.
When Zain came out flat footed and slow reaction time the bells started to ring, then Jason didn't seem to be himself, Mark seemed out of it, and maybe, just maybe Bo figured he better get it over with asap while he still had the energy, then Cutch with the deadpan look at the end just seemed to not have the energy and just wanted to get out of there with the win. Oh, I forgot VC. He had a good first period...
You would have to ask spyer who was rolling with who during the week(lots of contact)but it sure seemed like it to me.

How many times have there been posts here joking about the long bus ride, etc. when Zain beat Stieber? If you make posts like this making excuses then you can expect the same kind of jokes from the Iowa fans. Just saying.

 

[tuggerjug]

After about 2 hours of consideration I have decided that the flu bug as a factor in some of the lackluster performances in our middle weights Friday night at Carver. The tipping point for me was Caels post-match comments regarding " Zain is one of the toughest young men I have ever known" not exact but close.
When Zain came out flat footed and slow reaction time the bells started to ring, then Jason didn't seem to be himself, Mark seemed out of it, and maybe, just maybe Bo figured he better get it over with asap while he still had the energy, then Cutch with the deadpan look at the end just seemed to not have the energy and just wanted to get out of there with the win. Oh, I forgot VC. He had a good first period...
You would have to ask spyer who was rolling with who during the week(lots of contact)but it sure seemed like it to me.

Do you have any inside knowledge that there's a flu bug going around the team? If not, this is the kind of speculation that gives us a bad reputation as fans. First it diminishes the efforts of our opponents which in Zain's case was the story of the match - Sorensen's adjustments and pace. Second evidence doesn't match up. Suriano had no signs of being sick, Carpenter didn't fade at all just over matched, Jimmy poured it on in the 3rd, Zain wrestled an inspired 2/3 ranked wrestler at CHA and gutted out a win, Vincenzo spent alot of energy in the first period and has had similar bouts of inactivity in a couple other matches during year, I think Hall's was more an adrenaline dump he had to know he was wrestling early and between keeping it a secret and knowing it would be big news in wrestling community to premiering on national TV in CHA - I think there was an adernaline rush followed by fatigue. Everyone's thats wrestled knows that feeling - yet much different venues and stakes for us mere mortals, Meyers is the worst kind of guy to get in that situation a Grade A grinder and the worst possible place.....CHA, Bo had zero signs, MM won an OT war against a bigger opponent and NN poured it on. Lets just give the Hawks their due for wrestling as competitively as you'd expect a Iowa team to wrestle

 

[garw]

Flu bug? Don't these kids get flu shots? Hey it was Iowa's home meet of the year. I bet those kids are tired of reading they aren't good enough any more to be the champs. They brought their heavy handed, under hooking best to the party. Still not enough offense in their lineup but tough kids for sure.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

How many times have there been posts here joking about the long bus ride, etc. when Zain beat Stieber? If you make posts like this making excuses then you can expect the same kind of jokes from the Iowa fans. Just saying.

That said - it's goofy fans like me making excuses not Tom Ryan. Big difference when a leader always has an excuse ready.

 

[LemonPie]

FLU SHOTS

 

[purescurve]

How many times have there been posts here joking about the long bus ride, etc. when Zain beat Stieber? If you make posts like this making excuses then you can expect the same kind of jokes from the Iowa fans. Just saying.

Get off my ass, Steiber was sick. I think Zain was also- just hows how tough he is. I kept the thought in this forum. In house. Excuses? Penn State won. Get off your high horse.

 

[WildTurk]

College wrestling sure has a lot of Flu bugs doesnt it? Pretty much every poor performance is due to the Flu dontcha know! One thing i love about Brands and his wrestlers are their no excuse mentality. If you lose you own it. You dont shove it off on sickeness, weather, travel, injuries, personal problems ect.

 

[purescurve]

Do you have any inside knowledge that there's a flu bug going around the team? If not, this is the kind of speculation that gives us a bad reputation as fans. First it diminishes the efforts of our opponents which in Zain's case was the story of the match - Sorensen's adjustments and pace. Second evidence doesn't match up. Suriano had no signs of being sick, Carpenter didn't fade at all just over matched, Jimmy poured it on in the 3rd, Zain wrestled an inspired 2/3 ranked wrestler at CHA and gutted out a win, Vincenzo spent alot of energy in the first period and has had similar bouts of inactivity in a couple other matches during year, I think Hall's was more an adrenaline dump he had to know he was wrestling early and between keeping it a secret and knowing it would be big news in wrestling community to premiering on national TV in CHA - I think there was an adernaline rush followed by fatigue. Everyone's thats wrestled knows that feeling - yet much different venues and stakes for us mere mortals, Meyers is the worst kind of guy to get in that situation a Grade A grinder and the worst possible place.....CHA, Bo had zero signs, MM won an OT war against a bigger opponent and NN poured it on. Lets just give the Hawks their due for wrestling as competitively as you'd expect a Iowa team to wrestle

I haven't said one bad thing about Iowas performance. Just an observation on the middle weights. I doubt that our first three were rolling around with the likes of zain or jason this week. That probably doesnt build alot of confidence. Maybe I am the only one to see the parallel here.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

College wrestling sure has a lot of Flu bugs doesnt it? Pretty much every poor performance is due to the Flu dontcha know! One thing i love about Brands and his wrestlers are their no excuse mentality. If you lose you own it. You dont shove it off on sickeness, weather, travel, injuries, personal problems ect.

Again, it's not Cael or his wrestlers

 

[pawrestlersintn]

Do you have any inside knowledge that there's a flu bug going around the team? If not, this is the kind of speculation that gives us a bad reputation as fans. First it diminishes the efforts of our opponents which in Zain's case was the story of the match - Sorensen's adjustments and pace. Second evidence doesn't match up. Suriano had no signs of being sick, Carpenter didn't fade at all just over matched, Jimmy poured it on in the 3rd, Zain wrestled an inspired 2/3 ranked wrestler at CHA and gutted out a win, Vincenzo spent alot of energy in the first period and has had similar bouts of inactivity in a couple other matches during year, I think Hall's was more an adrenaline dump he had to know he was wrestling early and between keeping it a secret and knowing it would be big news in wrestling community to premiering on national TV in CHA - I think there was an adernaline rush followed by fatigue. Everyone's thats wrestled knows that feeling - yet much different venues and stakes for us mere mortals, Meyers is the worst kind of guy to get in that situation a Grade A grinder and the worst possible place.....CHA, Bo had zero signs, MM won an OT war against a bigger opponent and NN poured it on. Lets just give the Hawks their due for wrestling as competitively as you'd expect a Iowa team to wrestle

Yep. For a fan base that is proud of its kids for winning or losing graciously and with sportsmanship, there are sure a lot of people that want to make excuses (for winning?). Excuse-making and not giving your opponent some credit are not gracious. Ask Tom Ryan.

 

[Dogwelder]

How many times have there been posts here joking about the long bus ride, etc. when Zain beat Stieber? ... Just saying.

Valid point.

But when you win, and you talk flu--that's not whining, and that's not making the other guy feel better because he knows you're a whiner. Rather, winning with the flu actually makes the other guy feel worse. For illustration, when everyone talks about Michael Jordan's "Flu Game", they're not making an excuse for him, they're just, in effect, humble bragging, or some kind of bragging, for MJ.

 

[BruceK-PSU83]

After about 2 hours of consideration I have decided that the flu bug as a factor in some of the lackluster performances in our middle weights Friday night at Carver. The tipping point for me was Caels post-match comments regarding " Zain is one of the toughest young men I have ever known" not exact but close.
When Zain came out flat footed and slow reaction time the bells started to ring, then Jason didn't seem to be himself, Mark seemed out of it, and maybe, just maybe Bo figured he better get it over with asap while he still had the energy, then Cutch with the deadpan look at the end just seemed to not have the energy and just wanted to get out of there with the win. Oh, I forgot VC. He had a good first period...
You would have to ask spyer who was rolling with who during the week(lots of contact)but it sure seemed like it to me.

Jason Nolf looked okay to me. Give some credit to Kemerer, who was able to scramble and create a stalemate position on several good shots from Nolf. Still, Nolf was in control the entire time, despite winning by "only" 9-4.

We've seen Joseph really slow down in the last 2-3 minutes a couple previous matches, so the Iowa match wasn't entirely new in that regard. As others have speculated, it could be a matter of learning to pace himself. Dunno.

Did McCutcheon really look much different against Iowa than he usually does? I don't think so. I get that 197 probably isn't his ideal weight and he may be "taking one" for the team, but his standard MO is to keep the match close and low scoring.

The only guy who looked noticeably "off" IMO was Retherford. And you still gotta give a ton of credit to Sorensen, who wrestled very tough. Retherford just gutted it out.

And, by the way, if a flu bug was being passed around, it appeared that Topher Carton was afflicted worse than anyone.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

Valid point.

But when you win, and you talk flu--that's not whining; that's just making the other guy feel worse. For illustration, when everyone talks about Michael Jordan's "Flu Game", they're not making an excuse for him, they're just humble bragging, or some kind of bragging, for MJ.

Who is this Michael Jordan?

 

[purescurve]

Do you have any inside knowledge that there's a flu bug going around the team? If not, this is the kind of speculation that gives us a bad reputation as fans. First it diminishes the efforts of our opponents which in Zain's case was the story of the match - Sorensen's adjustments and pace. Second evidence doesn't match up. Suriano had no signs of being sick, Carpenter didn't fade at all just over matched, Jimmy poured it on in the 3rd, Zain wrestled an inspired 2/3 ranked wrestler at CHA and gutted out a win, Vincenzo spent alot of energy in the first period and has had similar bouts of inactivity in a couple other matches during year, I think Hall's was more an adrenaline dump he had to know he was wrestling early and between keeping it a secret and knowing it would be big news in wrestling community to premiering on national TV in CHA - I think there was an adernaline rush followed by fatigue. Everyone's thats wrestled knows that feeling - yet much different venues and stakes for us mere mortals, Meyers is the worst kind of guy to get in that situation a Grade A grinder and the worst possible place.....CHA, Bo had zero signs, MM won an OT war against a bigger opponent and NN poured it on. Lets just give the Hawks their due for wrestling as competitively as you'd expect a Iowa team to wrestle

Do you know for a fact it was an adrenalin rush, yeah we both spelled it wrong, or just your opinion. IMO what gives Penn State a bad rep is the better than thou attitude of the fans. We even have posters admonishing HR posters on their behavior on their own forum and not the good natured close to the bone jabs. They know who they are.

 

[PSUAllTheWay]

Jason Nolf looked okay to me. Give some credit to Kemerer, who was able to scramble and create a stalemate position on several good shots from Nolf. Still, Nolf was in control the entire time, despite winning by "only" 9-4.

We've seen Joseph really slow down in the last 2-3 minutes a couple previous matches, so the Iowa match wasn't entirely new in that regard. As others have speculated, it could be a matter of learning to pace himself. Dunno.

Did McCutcheon really look much different against Iowa than he usually does? I don't think so. I get that 197 probably isn't his ideal weight and he may be "taking one" for the team, but his standard MO is to keep the match close and low scoring.

The only guy who looked noticeably "off" IMO was Retherford. And you still gotta give a ton of credit to Sorensen, who wrestled very tough. Retherford just gutted it out.

And, by the way, if a flu bug was being passed around, it appeared that Topher Carton was afflicted worse than anyone.

Yes. It's never easy winning in Carver as Iowa has a huge home gym advantage. I think our guys were awesome up and down the lineup Friday. To go into Carver and do what they did is impressive. Sure, some could have been more aggressive or not shut it down half way through the bout but can't take anything away from Iowas grit and determination in front of the home crowd.

This was a great test that will serve us well going forward. Lots of lessons learned that our boys can build on too.

 

[NoVa Lion]

Get off my ass, Steiber was sick. I think Zain was also- just hows how tough he is. I kept the thought in this forum. In house. Excuses? Penn State won. Get off your high horse.

Sorry you took it that way. As to keeping it in this forum, this is a PUBLIC forum, meaning it can't actually be KEPT in this forum. Just wanted to point that out.

 

[El-Jefe]

Flu bug sucks, yeah, which is why I bit the bullet and upgraded to Flu Pro for the year.

Yes, but can you cancel later? Or will Flu keep charging your credit card?

 

[purescurve]

Sorry you took it that way. As to keeping it in this forum, this is a PUBLIC forum, meaning it can't actually be KEPT in this forum. Just wanted to point that out.

I think it was gibbons who said it best NS

 

[El-Jefe]

College wrestling sure has a lot of Flu bugs doesnt it? Pretty much every poor performance is due to the Flu dontcha know! One thing i love about Brands and his wrestlers are their no excuse mentality. If you lose you own it. You dont shove it off on sickeness, weather, travel, injuries, personal problems ect.

True, it goes on your record either way.

Also true: you can often tell in a rematch. Dean owned the loss to Boyd last year. In the rematch, he owned Boyd.

 

[T J]

Flu bug? Don't these kids get flu shots? Hey it was Iowa's home meet of the year. I bet those kids are tired of reading they aren't good enough any more to be the champs. They brought their heavy handed, under hooking best to the party. Still not enough offense in their lineup but tough kids for sure.

Flu shots are targeted at a guess about what flu bug variations may be prominent in a specific year.

Like any forecast, they have been wrong at times and not covered a major strain. In addition, there are many flu bugs that are not included in any flu shot.

From review...

======

So Why Am I Sick?

There are a number of reasons that you may get sick after you get a flu shot.

1. The vaccine did not have time to provide full immunity.
   
   It takes two weeks to develop immunity to influenza after you get the vaccine. If you get the flu within two weeks of getting the shot, you were probably exposed to the virus right before or right after you were vaccinated.
   
   It is easy to see why someone would believe the flu vaccine gave them the flu right after receiving the vaccine. However, the vaccine is made from killed (shot) or inactivated (nasal spray) virus and can't give you the flu.
   

1. You have another "flu-like illness."
   The flu shot does not protect against:
   
   • The common cold
   • Pneumonia (although it may protect you from pneumonia that is a complication of the flu)
   • Bronchitis
   • Stomach flu
   
   The flu shot does provide protection against the specific strain of the flu that researchers believe will be causing illnesses that season for most people. Every year, the flu virus mutates and changes; therefore, new vaccines have to be made and administered each season.
   
   
2. You didn't respond fully to the vaccine.
   
   It is still possible to get the flu after having a flu shot, either because you were one of the few people who was not fully protected or because the strain of influenza that made you sick was not included in the vaccine. However, you are less likely to have serious complications from the flu if you have had the shot. This is even more true for older adults and children, two groups that are at highest risk from serious flu complications.
   
   Flu shots work in slightly different ways for these two groups, but they are still very important.
   
   

 

[NittanyChris]

Here's the thing...Iowa fans might take this post as an excuse or minimizing Sorensen's effort.

For me, these two things are not mutually exclusive. Sorensen wrestled more aggressively than I've seen him in ages. He was outstanding and he pushed Zain to the absolute limit. In addition, Zain may have been lacking some energy due to being ill.

Both could be true simultaneously.

 

[James P. Whitters III]

College wrestling sure has a lot of Flu bugs doesnt it? Pretty much every poor performance is due to the Flu dontcha know! One thing i love about Brands and his wrestlers are their no excuse mentality. If you lose you own it. You dont shove it off on sickeness, weather, travel, injuries, personal problems ect.

So in other words Sam Stoll would say he quit on his team rather than use "injury excuse" Gotcha!

 

[Dogwelder]

... One thing i love about Brands and his wrestlers are their no excuse mentality. If you lose you own it. ...

Okay. But there are rules for winning, and rules for losing.

For example, when Saint Brands loses, he says "That's on me."

When he wins, he does not say "That's on me."

Different rules.

BTW, PSU won.

 

[Brian LB-U]

College wrestling sure has a lot of Flu bugs doesnt it? Pretty much every poor performance is due to the Flu dontcha know! One thing i love about Brands and his wrestlers are their no excuse mentality. If you lose you own it. You dont shove it off on sickeness, weather, travel, injuries, personal problems ect.

Same goes for Cael but needless to say, Zain didn't lose.

 

[purescurve]

Here's the thing...Iowa fans might take this post as an excuse or minimizing Sorensen's effort.

For me, these two things are not mutually exclusive. Sorensen wrestled more aggressively than I've seen him in ages. He was outstanding and he pushed Zain to the absolute limit. In addition, Zain may have been lacking some energy due to being ill.

Both could be true simultaneously.

I loved the way Brandon wrestled. Best I have ever seen him wrestle. If he brings that to the next one it will be a barn-burner. I have never ran a wrestler down, I hope.

 

[James P. Whitters III]

Plus this was at no time Cael or the PSU wrestlers making excuses. I haven't met an Iowa fan (myself included) that didn't make excuses for a clearly injured mcbono his senior year or Stoll at the NCAA tournament last year. Fans speculate when any performance seems less than the expected norm for an athlete. All fans all the time.

 

[Cold Smoke]

After about 2 hours of consideration I have decided that the flu bug as a factor in some of the lackluster performances in our middle weights Friday night at Carver. The tipping point for me was Caels post-match comments regarding " Zain is one of the toughest young men I have ever known" not exact but close.
When Zain came out flat footed and slow reaction time the bells started to ring, then Jason didn't seem to be himself, Mark seemed out of it, and maybe, just maybe Bo figured he better get it over with asap while he still had the energy, then Cutch with the deadpan look at the end just seemed to not have the energy and just wanted to get out of there with the win. Oh, I forgot VC. He had a good first period...
You would have to ask spyer who was rolling with who during the week(lots of contact)but it sure seemed like it to me.

If Zain was sick, it will show in their next meeting.

 

[WildTurk]

Again, it's not Cael or his wrestlers

I believe that.

Here's the thing...Iowa fans might take this post as an excuse or minimizing Sorensen's effort.

For me, these two things are not mutually exclusive. Sorensen wrestled more aggressively than I've seen him in ages. He was outstanding and he pushed Zain to the absolute limit. In addition, Zain may have been lacking some energy due to being ill.

Both could be true simultaneously.

Thats kinda how i took it. The OP specifically mentioned the middle weights which to me made it sound like your 149-174 pounders must be sick cause thats the only reason that matches were close

 

[James P. Whitters III]

If Zain was sick, it will show in their next meeting.

or???? will it just mean Brandon is sick???? Devil's advocate.

 

[RoarLions1]

irresponsible, that's all...after reading the whole thread...

 

[WildTurk]

If Zain was sick, it will show in their next meeting.

So if Zain beats Brandon comfortably next meeting it confirms the "flu" on Friday?

 

[purescurve]

Thats kinda how i took it. The OP specifically mentioned the middle weights which to me made it sound like your 149-174 pounders must be sick cause thats the only reason that matches were close[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I thought Zain, Jason, Cenzo should have crushed them to be honest which made me wonder whats sup

 

[purescurve]

irresponsible, that's all...after reading the whole thread...

got something to say say it

 

[tikk10]

I don't view myself as beholden to rules about the non-discussion on injuries and sickness out of deference to narratives or sports ethos tropes my team (or those of my team's fan base) would prefer to advance. If a guy looks sick or not himself on the mat, observing as much doesn't accordingly mean you're making excuses for him, or denigrating an opponent's performance. I totally get why athletes themselves might want to play reductive mental games ("If I'm well enough to step on the mat...") but as a fan I don't feel the same need to deny observable realities. The sport is something of a zero sum game, but discussion of it isn't.