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I'm content to put on a camouflage hat, suit pants, nice shoes, old nationals jacket and .....lean back.
I agree but discussion doesn't seem to be an option for many on this site. Many take anyone that disagrees with their position to be a personal attack and they attack back. This thread is a prime example. Not worth my time to pursue this further.
Here is my take. I have seen the vast majority of these kids matches, and of those the vast majority in person. Can anyone that follows closely deny that something seemed off with our guys? There were 6 of us together watching on BTN and not one didn't see something odd. Now, was it travel? Was it over preparation? Was it CHA? Was it nutrition? Was if flu? Who knows, I do know I have never seen Hall look like that. Joseph doesn't die in the third. Zain doesn't struggle to get on his offense. Cutch doesn't hang on at the end. Pick your poison, but something was off...maybe I'm a sore winner.
I heard that when Cael won the press conference over Brands, Cael was battling a hangnail. Cael found a way to win, though. He's one tough dude, that Cael.
Yet, it is irresponsible to discuss on a message board............................................
As a PSU fan this post makes me cringe. These kids don't make exuses so why do adults think they need to? Iowa wrestled tough at home just like you would have expected them to. They have been doing it for years. Zain had a tough match against a tough opponent in a hostile environment. Same with Hall. Hall is a tweener due to his ideal freestyle weight. I don't think he will ever get to be a "big" 174lber due to his freestyle aspirations. Meyer is a seasoned 5th year senior who is a lot stronger than Hall. Hall is going to have get used to that as he is going to be out muscled by many 174lbers. He needs to come up with a better game plan against the stronger guys. I think he will, but he's not going to come out and dominate like he did in high school.
yeah, when I get attacked through snide, condesending, insider, we make the rule on discussion topics around here remarks it does raise my hackles a bit. AZchief, could I borrow that hippie pic to insert here?
I guess I will be running along now. I know "don't let the door hit you in the ass"
Look. If Cael sees his wrestler wrestling unusually lethargically, he's gonna say to Casey, "I wonder what's wrong with our guy". He'd not be trying to make an excuse. He'd just be observing and talking and trying to learn. He can't say it publicly, though.
But we are not part of the team, so we can say it publicly. We don't have a social duty to not make the losing team feel bad. We are bystanders. It's pretty condescending to tell us that our reason is to make an excuse when that might not be our reason. How can we make excuses, anyhow? Who the heck are we? Who is giving us all this importance?
In other words, we needn't try to be humble; we are not that great.
Who's Aaron Rogers?We'll be talking about Aaron Rogers the same way today
Once again you proved my point. I made no personal attack, in fact, when you took it that way from my first post I apologized. Don't know what else I can do so I give up.
Cael also outright said that Zain was not himself when he went out....or something to that effect. He immediately pointed out that this comment was not meant to detract from Sorenson's effort in any way and that maybe he shouldn't have said anything whatsoever because he didn't want his comment construed as an excuse or to to take anything away from Sorenson's effort....etc.... Basically, Cael was just stating a fact - Zain was not feeling very good when he went out to wrestle.
Doesn't have to be "Flu" per se, could be any of a ton of stomach/resperitory viruses or bacterial infections for that matter.
You sound angry, (as best I can tell from a post).
Here's exactly what I meant...
You decided, on your own, no facts, that the wrestlers have the flu. It's not factual, and is polarizing...and irresponsible. Sure, it's a message board, I get that...been doing this a very long time. I've also seen the KK's of the world destroy a normally responsible community. Simple enough? It's my thoughts and opinion, feel free to carry on.
I tend to agree with your assessment. I thought Hall looked tight, and I think it was more or less because he really wanted to do well on his first official start. Sometimes putting too much pressure on yourself can backfire.
In the Zain-Sorenson match, I noticed that Sorenson was making a special effort to keep his palm on Zains forehead with this arm outstretched. His game plan was probably to keep Zain as far away from his legs as possible while still maintaining contact. It's not easy to get a takedown from that position. Also, if you look carefully at Sorenson's first takedown on Zain, it was partly because Zain stepped in too closely with his left leg without protecting his left side. Sorenson saw the opening and went for it. Good wrestling on his part, but I'm pretty sure Zain will look at the video pretty closely and make the necessary corrections.
yeah, you are right. If penn state would have lost I probably wouldn't have said anything. But i really didn't do anything that Cael...
Gotta disagree with the statement about Cutch, particularly since his move to 197.
And, as noted previously, it's not the first time that Joseph has really slowed down in the last 2-3 minutes.
Agree with you - while I wouldn't describe it as outright "gassing", VinJo clearly slowed the "attack rate" from neutral in the latter half of the match. IMHO, VinJo recognized that he had the win and could go bust if he went for "bonus" (i.e., if he went this route and did exhaust his energy reserves, he'd already seen what happens to his defense when this happens).....so he took the more conservative root to the "W" - he shut the attack rate down and focused his energy usage on defense and preventing his opponent from closing the gap. He clearly lacked the ability to continue his attack rate of the first-half of the match, so personally I think he made a smart decision to alter his match strategy and tactics when he did, because a really difficult, unproductive "scramble" mid-match could have put him in a really difficult situation, especially in the 3rd Period.
Just out of curiosity? Anybody who thinks anybody was wrestling with the flu bug - have you had the flu recently? I mean the honest to goodness blowing your GI system out both ends, dehydrated, electrolyte imbalance flu.
A kid or two may have had some sort of viral infection going on - tis the season, but there wasn't anybody out there competing with the flu.
A kid or two may have had some sort of viral infection going on - tis the season, but there wasn't anybody out there competing with the flu.
Bugs tend to be regional, and we've had norovirus sweeping through this past week here in Chicago. You wouldn't have been immmunized for it.
I noted in the first 30 seconds (actually before, but confirmed) that Zain looked off. I think he made adjustments to get through, and I think Sorenson wrestled a really great match. But once you go out there you own the result, and our guys did.
I'm only noting it at all for the people that literally or figuratively want to wager the next one will be a 1-2 point affair. I think 4-6 points is far more likely.
I noted in the first 30 seconds (actually before, but confirmed) that Zain looked off. I think he made adjustments to get through, and I think Sorenson wrestled a really great match. But once you go out there you own the result, and our guys did.
I'm only noting it at all for the people that literally or figuratively want to wager the next one will be a 1-2 point affair. I think 4-6 points is far more likely.
Inside joke...I think tikk, or GOLDBANGER or El-Jefe were involved, can't remember who else. Dunk maybe? Play on the words Flo Pro.
EDIT: Per Dogwelder's post...the original discussion is slowly coming back to me.
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I'm with you, Roar. I haven't seen any evidence other than pure speculation that there was flu. Zain's match was at a very fast pace (even when there wasn't scoring) and by the end both wrestlers were exhausted. It did look like Zain hit the exhaustion point a little earlier that Sorenson, but both wrestlers were pushing the pace the whole match and were spent at the end. Give Sorenson all the credit--he was the most aggressive I've seen him. He deserves credit for his effort. Zain deserves credit for gutting it out and doing what he had to do.
OTOH, what you describe is only one stage of some viruses. People's immune systems are different and their level of exposure can be different, their recovery times can vary, the level of symptoms can vary from person to person. Plus the symptoms can vary depending upon where the person is in the cycle of their own viral experience, i.e. beginning, middle or ending. Or there could be something like an energy recovery period at the end, after the virus is no longer contagious.
That said, am not supporting a guess about the flu without specific individual evidence.
Some wrestlers did appear to be a bit off of their game, imho. But idle sports board speculation is arms length from any kind of firm understanding, without more info.
At this point it won't change what happened. The individuals and the coaches know much more and will make their best decisions as factors change.
Hope they make whatever adjustments they can, improve through the season and peak at the B1Gs and NCAAs.
BTW - Thought Sorenson wrestled one of his better matches. He gets credit for his aggressive, creative changes, no matter what Zain brought to the mat.
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Well Gopher matches certainly aren't the cure
Really? I guess Cael Sanderson specifically stating he didn't feel well is not "evidence"? Are you trying to claim that it is "pure speculation" in quoting Cael Sanderson's statement? LMFAO - kind of ironic that you would be making such lame and completely baseless accusations about anyone who is simply saying the EXACT SAME THING coach Cael Sanderson unequivocally stated at the post-match Press Conference. Here is a link - HIT THIS HOTLINK and scroll to the 2:38 mark. Here is what Coach Cael Sanderson unequivocally stated:
The infamous "train through". Not to be mistaken with the "train flu".
Both of which are cured with Flu Pro.
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