Kind of ironic that the players who couldn’t make the tournament are transferring so they can go to the tournament. Things that make you go hmmm.
Former PSU Bball player Wheeler
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This is a little irrational. There are a very select few "one-and-done" players. Also, only allowing 1 transfer without consequence pretty well locks a player in after that initial transfer
Thanks....I didn't know the numbers. And, historically, that probably had a lot to do with kids just not being happy (like all schools even outside sports) and one-and-done. However, I am sure it will be worse moving forward. Last night, in the two games, there were at least 3 kids who were transfers who were making a big splash.
...and, to be clear, I don't blame the kids. we all want freedom. But a separate issue is that it really hurts the customer's (me) experience. I just don't care. Last night, to me, was four teams that had a bunch of kids wearing certain colored uniforms against a bunch of others
The teams playing in the sweet 16 have an average of 4.3 transfers on their team. That’s over 1/3rd of their team. It’s free agency now. And I’m ok with that today. I wasn’t a few years ago, but these players have a right to play where they want.
I had no idea. This reflects numbers that an NBA or NFL team would have as well.
And I agree, I am "OK" with it. But it certainly has reduced the entertainment value for me, at least. and I suspect it has for others. I watched Oak Island last night along with the Tribe baseball during commercials.
I watched Cheyenne and Tales of Wells Fargo, commercial free, instead of the current version of march madness. But I did tune in to see if UCLA could hold on and send the Michigan Men back home......
"Harrar isn't very good"??? You are freakin beyond nuts. I'd compare him favorably to an Austin Davis at Michigan. I'd take Davis any day of the week.
Fundamentally, I think Davis is better than Hunter Dickinson. Difference between Davis and Harrar is that Davis can play fresh all the time because he is the 7'1" Dickinson's backup. Harrar pretty much had to carry the full load and worry exponentially more about foul trouble than Davis because of depth on the inside.
Guy's improvement was tremendous since he got here. Handeled himself great against taller guys and was an offensive rebound animal. I'd take him back in a heartbeat without one millimeter ounce of hesitation.
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I don’t necessarily agree that Davis is better fundamentally than Dickinson, but having Davis come off the bench is a great, great thing for Michigan. That’s really hard for opposing teams to deal with.
I love John Harrar and would take him on my team every single day of the week. But what he is, is a perfect backup center especially in the Big Ten. A banger who's tenacious on the Glass, Great screener and has an improved offensive game. The problem with Penn State is that he had to play 25 to 30 minutes a night where in reality he's the kind of guy that should be playing around 15 a night.
Nobody's saying he's the guy that will be the leader of the team but he's that perfect bench big which is why he's garnered so much attention from schools that were that type of player away from making a run. If he was on Maryland or Michigan State I could see both of them winning multiple games in the tournament this year. He's always bringing energy and get you extra possessions.
You, and others, don’t get Harrar at all. He’s on an all time short list of leaders in men’s basketball at penn state. Can he lead off the bench, sure. He’s also a tenacious and motivated rebounder, especially offensive rebounds. I don’t think you want that skill an your bench. What Harrar would really benefit from is a tall and athletic player along side him to protect the rim and stretch the defense. Hararerar would be on my team, for sure.
I think everyone is basically saying the same thing about him....every team wants a guy like him, PSU fans would love to have him back, but he is a solid role player, not a superstar.
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You are most likely correct, but I really don't understand why OSU would want Wheeler as their primary point guard. He is still quite limited offensively.
As best as I can tell, the other schools that went after him were UNLV, TCU, Wright State, Morgan State, Tulsa, and South Carolina. Great move for him to land at OSU.
Im pretty sure I get him, as I said in the post. But how many stretch 5's are there that he is going to get to play with. He would have started at the two schools I mentioned and a few others but anyone in the top half of the conference, he is a bench guy.
Did he not play for Penn State this year? And help lead them to a losing record and no Dance? Well perhaps it will be addition by subtraction for PSU?
Best explanation yet as to why he chose tOSU. Thanks
Apparently according to some on this board, that’s how you lead...you think only of yourself. The rule of thumb is only look out for numero uno and everyone else can go to hell. That’s true leadership and character.
While I'm not a fan of those who transfer to a rival, it's his decision and he was a good player for PSU. Having said that, it's a chance for an upgrade at the PG spot from an offensive standpoint. When we came down the floor the opposing defenses only had to guard 4 players. Maybe we can make them work a little harder next year!
I'm not OK with it. There's no way they can keep up academically if they keep transferring. I realize that I'm a fossil who believes college sports should be played by college STUDENTS.
So one can only be one or the other? One can’t be both a great leader, and seek to make themselves better through new opportunities?
So only people who tow The line are leaders? Really? How much leadership does it take to stand by and accept perceived injustices around you?
It's not like that at all. Brady had a contract to play for New England. He had to honor that contract or try to renegotiate. At the end of his contract he declared for free agency. This year he has a contract with Tampa Bay. He can't change his mind and play for the Jets.
Wheeler also has the right to transfer because those are the NCAA rules. The argument isn't about Wheeler's decision. It's about the NCAA rules. I don't think transferring is a good thing for student achievement.
A leader doesn't simply put up with people (aka Lynne and Sandy) lying to them and treating them like a child.
JH loves this university. The fact that he is even considering leaving speaks volumes to how badly Sandy and Lynne mishandled this entire situation.
Quit the judgements over something that has nothing to do with you. If you're employer treats you like crap, does the act of looking elsewhere automatically disqualify you from being a leader?
The point was being one of Penn State’s greatest leaders. He bailed on his team - good for him/them - free country. But certainly not one of Penn State’s greatest leaders. Perhaps they can “lead” their new teams to sub-.500 records that can’t even net an NIT bid. But hey, you can cheer for them over on the competitions Discussion Boards.
Not at all. But then try and correct perceived injustices. Don’t just take your balk and go home (or over to O$U - a cornucopia of injustices and crookedness).
Bailed on what team? Players? Gone. Coaches? Gone. All that was left was the Gorgon's Head:
Wheeler and Harrar played their 4 years here and graduated. The NCAA decided to give them an extra year. As far as I see it, they honored their “contract”.
As long as we’re living in a world where coaches will run guys off that don’t meet their hopes, how can someone fault guys that gave their 4 years and got their degrees?
I’ll cheer for them here, thanks.
Was Michael Robinson a crappy leader when we sucked? Or did he suddenly become a better leader when he was surrounded by more talent?
Good thing Mauti and the rest of the guys from 2012 weren’t cut from the same cloth as Wheeler and Harrar....we would still be digging out of that hole. Sometimes you do things for the good of something bigger than yourself. There’s a reason that year hangs up at Beaver Stadium and it’s not because those guys loved the university so much they left when leadership botched things up. See the difference?
Totally agree that it is their choice. But the pantheon of great PSU leaders do not include Buckeyes or whatever school’s bench Harrar will sit.
Good for you. I am a Penn State fan. If between Jones, Harrar, and Wheeler (a majority of the starters) they could not lead PSU to a winning record, then I guess I am questioning what the value being assigned to said leadership. Perhaps they can drag their respective schools down to the level they “led” PSU basketball. And Coach Shrewsberry can lead us right past them. I am sure Columbus will appreciate your support.
