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Ranger Dan said:
Hopefully we get the stretch four that is transferring out of UMass
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Outside of hitting a couple of 3's in his last game, I can't remember him being a difference maker at any time in his PSU tenure.

I expect coach Shrew to bring in some 4's and 5's that play like 4's and 5's.....
 
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mcgunns said:
Interesting. I often wonder many of these kids get pushed out by the coach only to then get torn apart by "fans."
I loved his effort on the court, seems like he's responsible off the court, I will be rooting for him.
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Bolten?
 
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Ranger Dan said:
Myles Johnson is intriguing, because he’s an academics first guy. He may have better options academically, but who knows...
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He does and he's already applied to grad schools so Coach Shrews knows whether PSU is in the running or not.
 
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Art said:
He does and he's already applied to grad schools so Coach Shrews knows whether PSU is in the running or not.
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Wonder if he’d be academically talented enough to garner an academic scholarship and potentially save on a basketball scholarship...
 
Ranger Dan said:
Wonder if he’d be academically talented enough to garner an academic scholarship and potentially save on a basketball scholarship...
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Is that even allowed? Does the basketball scholarship take precedence over an academic scholarship? It seems, if not, you would see schools trying to play that loophole more often
 
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psuguy43 said:
Is that even allowed? Does the basketball scholarship take precedence over an academic scholarship? It seems, if not, you would see schools trying to play that loophole more often
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Yes, that was part of my question, would it be allowed. Once a tem recruits a player as a scholarship player, they can’t walk on. I think this situation would be different though. Certainly this guy could find better basketball programs and better academic institutions to transfer to, I was just curious .
 
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Ranger Dan said:
Yes, that was part of my question, would it be allowed. Once a tem recruits a player as a scholarship player, they can’t walk on. I think this situation would be different though. Certainly this guy could find better basketball programs and better academic institutions to transfer to, I was just curiou.
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Gotcha. I tend to think that it's not allowed, simply because otherwise you would see more schools try that.
 
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psuguy43 said:
Gotcha. I tend to think that it's not allowed, simply because otherwise you would see more schools try that.
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No school is gonna try it. First, there aren't that many athletes who would qualify academically and the onus is on the school to demonstrate that that athlete had the same qualifications as others who qualified academically. Second, there simply aren't that many academic scholarships that have the same monetary value of a full athletic ride.

Johnson's case is different. He'll be a gradute student in a STEM field where packages are readily available that equate to a full ride or better. His new school will figure something out, but in the end the motivation won't be to save a scholarship counter.
 
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Art said:
No school is gonna try it. First, there aren't that many athletes who would qualify academically and the onus is on the school to demonstrate that that athlete had the same qualifications as others who qualified academically. Second, there simply aren't that many academic scholarships that have the same monetary value of a full athletic ride.

Johnson's case is different. He'll be a gradute student in a STEM field where packages are readily available that equate to a full ride or better. His new school will figure something out, but in the end the motivation won't be to save a scholarship counter.
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We'll have to agree to disagree. If they allow this, Myron Rolle would not have been on an athletic scholarship at FSU. Being a Rhodes scholar would tend to qualify for that, I would think
 
I can only think of one situation where someone went of athletic scholarship and onto academic scholarship. Like Art said it can be done, just it rarely ever is.

You may see it more in equivalency sports, but not headcount sports.
 
psuguy43 said:
We'll have to agree to disagree. If they allow this, Myron Rolle would not have been on an athletic scholarship at FSU. Being a Rhodes scholar would tend to qualify for that, I would think
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You would be wrong, then. First, I wrote that few athletes would qualify, not none. Then there is the matter of relative value. While I haven't checked, I imagine that you'd be hard pressed to find pre-existing scholarship programs (they have to be in place; a school can't just simply snap it's fingers and say "shazzam, this one qualifies for an academic scholarship") at FSU that include full tuition, room, board, books, and a cash stipend....for an out-of state student in Myron Rolle's case.
 
They can not go on academic scholarships and walk on. Nor can they go on a track or baseball or other scholarship and walk on. Any kid who plays football at a school that was recruited for anything else goes under the football scholarship umbrella, same would be for basketball. Just like when guys were talking about Journey Brown and others getting track $, they cant.
 
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interrobang said:
I can only think of one situation where someone went of athletic scholarship and onto academic scholarship. Like Art said it can be done, just it rarely ever is.

You may see it more in equivalency sports, but not headcount sports.
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As you suggest, easier in equivalency than headcount sports.

Getting back to Myles Johnson's case, he's going into a gradauate program in either electrical or computer engineering. Guessing masters because balancing the time demands between basketball and a PhD would be extraordinarily difficult to balance. While money is available for masters candidates, it comes from the department/program/PI budget and those folks aren't inclined to make accommodations for basketball practice and/or travel.
 
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You would be wrong, then. First, I wrote that few athletes would qualify, not none. Then there is the matter of relative value. While I haven't checked, I imagine that you'd be hard pressed to find pre-existing scholarship programs (they have to be in place; a school can't just simply snap it's fingers and say "shazzam, this one qualifies for an academic scholarship") at FSU that include full tuition, room, board, books, and a cash stipend....for an out-of state student in Myron Rolle's case.
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I would be wrong? No, I would be right with this discussion - that players cannot go on an academic ship and still play football. That was the goalpost of this discussion.
 
psuguy43 said:
I would be wrong? No, I would be right with this discussion - that players cannot go on an academic ship and still play football. That was the goalpost of this discussion.
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But they can.

15.5.1.1.1 Exception—Receipt of Institutional Academic Aid Only. In football or basketball, a
student-athlete who was recruited (see Bylaw 15.02.9) by the awarding institution and whose only source
of institutional financial aid is academic aid based solely on the recipient’s academic record at the certifying
institution, awarded independently of athletics interests and in amounts consistent with the pattern of all
such awards made by the institution, may compete without counting in the institution’s financial aid team
limits, provided he or she has completed at least one academic year of full-time enrollment at the certifying
institution and has achieved a cumulative grade-point average of at least 3.000 (on a 4.000 scale) at the
certifying institution. (Adopted: 10/27/05 effective 8/1/06, Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

Just it's extremely rare partly because it's hard to get a full academic scholarship and partly because it's just not necessary since programs are rarely that hard up for that scholarship to go to someone else since teams rarely are at 85.
 
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interrobang said:
But they can.

15.5.1.1.1 Exception—Receipt of Institutional Academic Aid Only. In football or basketball, a
student-athlete who was recruited (see Bylaw 15.02.9) by the awarding institution and whose only source
of institutional financial aid is academic aid based solely on the recipient’s academic record at the certifying
institution, awarded independently of athletics interests and in amounts consistent with the pattern of all
such awards made by the institution, may compete without counting in the institution’s financial aid team
limits, provided he or she has completed at least one academic year of full-time enrollment at the certifying
institution and has achieved a cumulative grade-point average of at least 3.000 (on a 4.000 scale) at the
certifying institution. (Adopted: 10/27/05 effective 8/1/06, Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

Just it's extremely rare partly because it's hard to get a full academic scholarship and partly because it's just not necessary since programs are rarely that hard up for that scholarship to go to someone else since teams rarely are at 85.
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Thanks. I guess I was thinking of using that loophole more-so for MBB, where scholarships are more limited. Thanks for correcting me though, very interesting!
 
Since some had interest in Myles Johnson, he's transferring to UCLA, not a huge surprise.
 
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