Franco Harris interview on the FAN "Truth Hasn’t Been Revealed About Paterno’s Role In Sex Scandal"
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This post is so on the mark, I'd like to frame it.
A - FREAKING - MEN
Whenever I hear someone talking about "The Truth"......99.9% of the time they are talking about:
"The way they want to subjectively interpret the facts"......and have it accepted as red-letter gospel.
There ARE facts.....and, even there, 90% of folks don't care, and/or are too stupid to recognize fact from fiction. To stupid/lazy to separate fact-based inferences from unsubstantiated "opinion".
While there are INFERENCES and CONCLUSIONS based on "the facts". Those inferences and conclusions are NOT "Truth"........
That does not mean that certain inferences and conclusions, in light of the facts....are not idiotic, inane, and illogical (especially wrt the topic at hand).
Especially when emanating from obviously stupid, ignorant, and/or conflicted (take your pick
) folks. Folks like GetMyJive, GTASCA, and the rest of that intellectually-retarded/conflicted posse of jizz-jugglers..
Franco, bless him, is the 180 to Ziegler. Neither are effective presenting the case.
Perhaps a single indicator of the entire supposition in most people's minds actually escapes them.
How could a man who espouses for a 'team, a student body, a university' a simple statement that encourages anyone to live a good life --'Success with Honor', not live his own personal family life covering up a despicable act by one he knew? ........Not possible at all.
It's difficult to prove that somebody didn't do something. I could accuse you of molesting an unnamed child and it would be difficult for you prove otherwise. That's why our system has a presumption of innocence.
Asked if he thought it was “bad enough” to call police or child welfare agencies that night, Dranov said no.
Franco says that MM told him that he did not witness anything sexual.
Paterno stated that "It was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the Grand Jury report."
Curley testified that he was not aware there was sexual activity.
Shultz testified that MM told him that JS's actions were inappropriate and that he interpreted that as some sort of wrestling around type of activity and that JS might have grabbed the boy's genitals.
Spanier and Raykovitz had similar stories and no assistant coaches or players have admitted to seeing or knowing anything.
But no, nobody can prove that Paterno didn't know more. Unfortunately the media doesn't require proof in order to hand somebody.
Some people, when presented with facts, are willing to admit they were sold a false bill of goods by our mainstream media. Such as this random guy from earlier today:
^^^ He went from this
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Keep up the good work, Franco.
^^^ He went from this
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Keep up the good work, Franco.
ChiTown, you also keep up your good work!
I didn't realize Dan Bernstein drove a cab.
The common thread here is the same...the common thread is EVERYTHING about the "Penn State Scandal" has been promoted by the media.
After 5+ years the same distortions of statements is being used to support the "Story of Guilt". How can this be accomplished after all this time??? It has been accomplished by A COLLUSION of persons, groups and politically connected elites with the unwavering help of a corrupt, money-grubbing media !!!!
A consistent example of "Story" media support is the one mentioned....Joe knew and he he admitted it when he said "...he should have done more...".
The content of what Joe said was changed 180 degrees by "leaving out" "...with the benefit of hindsight...".
This example is legal and irrefutable proof that the media is in deep with those who are using Penn State and Paterno as a cover for REAL CRIMINALS and Real Crimes!! How else can you explain the CONSISTENT use of such incomplete, edited statements by the media which promote - not what was said - but what only supports a "Story of Deception"??
By now, most of the professional media are "at least" suspicious of the multitude of statement and evidence inconsistencies in "The Story" and yet, they continue to support what is known NOT to be the truth. The Public Misinformation machine continues!!
The winning formula right now seems to be a guy like Franco Harris creating a news event in defense of JVP, followed by a whole bunch of people reacting on twitter, and then our #PSUtwitter army finishing them off with supporting evidence and documented facts.
As @Adlee73 likes to say:
I was there in 1970 and heard what the accuser said, he was lying. There, you have facts now that it is not true just as much as you have facts it is true.
Anyone who truly believes ANY aspect of the 1970s allegations gets a permanent lifetime membership to the Idiot Club. No way out. Hotel California, etc. Say hi to Zippy, CDW, etc at the next meeting.
What are you talking about? If you dislike Franco and/or Ziegler, then just come out and say it, and give your reasons why.
That's cool, except I thought there was no accuser.
Look people, all I'm saying is Joe is gone and (1) we won't ever fully know, and (2) be wary of anybody saying he fully knows.
Exactly. 1970s claimant's own lawyer, Michael Boni, warned us not to believe the headlines about Joe Paterno.
There are parts of this saga where reasonable people can disagree. The 1970s allegations aren't one of those parts.
No one is saying someone hasn't come forward as an accuser, just that there are zero facts that support any claims from the 1970's accusers that they brought to Joes attention and he ignored them.. Joes own statement is telling you and everyone else that yes you do fully know. Those accusers stories are not true.
That is still just your opinion. I'm not saying it is right or wrong... which is the point. We will never know. Might as well just move on instead of wasting time on the subject. Nothing has changed in several years other than more allegations They will never be proven true nor will they be debunked. Time to move on with life.
Another irrevocable card carrying member weighs in. My opinion is that you should do as you suggest and move on please. Hurry up. I said please.
Jive - I'm truly trying to figure out your angle here.
You're not the slightest bit concerned about the massive reputational damage done to Joe, his family and the Lettermen. These are all very real people who have been maligned, impugned, and had their legacies trashed by an irresponsible media chasing webhits, clicks and page views.
You're not the slightest bit appalled that very real people are being financially ruined during bogus lawsuits - that had our Office of Attorney General just DONE THEIR JOB - these people would never have been pulled into this shitstorm?
You don't seem to have a problem that when the media firestorm hit, AG Linda Kelly did not go back out on that national stage and tell the media to sit down & shut up; that Joe was never implicated and that everyone should respect that and let the legal process play out?
You're okay wasting your time on these specific threads, yet you want everyone to move on.
Curious. Who pays you?
Dunlap just called into The FAN afternoon show. Called to express his"genuine" concern for Franco's mental well-being. Said he thinks he may have what Tony Dorsett has. Went on to say what a compassionate human being he (himself) is. What a disingenuous d-bag.
Yeah, that winning formula really accomplishes great things. Declaring yourself the winner of twitter battles will most certainly make the false narratives disappear.
It's telling that you are urging others to move on while nobody is telling you to not move on.
Said the anonymous dude on a message board.
Joe Paterno's legacy is for his family to defend. And they should do what they feel is right in that regard. I have no issues with their lawsuit or anything that they have done up to this point. To me, personally, Joe was a football coach. Just like BOB and Franklin are now. He was fantastic at his job. I didn't know him personally so I have have the same feeling for him as I do any other coach. I don't think that is an outlandish stance to take.
As for CSS, I think the emails are suspicious but does not prove guilt nor innocence. It would be great for their trial to move forward, but I am not optimistic that it will. Even if it did, I don't think it would give us any answers.
If someone could detail how they believe the truth could be found and ultimately accepted by the public, I would love to hear it. I think it's an impossibility at this point.
In your search for "truth"....you and your brethren are looking in the wrong place:
Okay - I'll play. I don't think it's an impossibility because the Duke LAX case has been resolved and accepted.
The "truth" is that this shitstorm was birthed out of Harrisburg. We have to go back to Tom Corbett and walk the path from there.
Was Tom Corbett (as AG and then Governor) using his PA Corruption Unit prosecutors to target (perceived) political enemies, and were they manipulating the use of a grand jury and its presentment as both a sword and a shield?
Specifically with regards to Penn State, Tom Corbett’s fight with Dr. Spanier over PSU funding was tied to Spanier’s defense of PSU Climate Scientists Drs. Mann & Alley. Corbett was the beneficiary of the fossil fuel industry and wanted these scientists removed from Penn State. It is quite likely that this played a part that led to Spanier’s dismissal, and Governor Corbett - by virtue of his status as a Trustee - weighed heavily in this entire debacle.
We know state prosecutor Frank Fina devised a “flip” strategy to make the case against Dr. Spanier on the testimony of Tim Curley and/or Gary Schultz - and very likely, General Counsel Cynthia Baldwin. Securing a plea deal would have likely ensured that Fina's ethical violations & misconduct would have remained hidden because they would never have gone to trial.
It seems clear that by June 2012, the Office of Attorney General - with the aide of Louis Freeh - was getting the charges ready against Spanier and believed that Curley and Schultz would “flip” and testify against former President Spanier to save their own backsides.
To date - that hasn’t happened.
The Penn State/Paterno scandal (which SHOULD have always been the Second Mile scandal) has polarized not only the Penn State community, but by dragging on for five years, the entire state of Pennsylvania and, now, arguably the country. People don’t even know why they have their pitchforks out anymore. But, more to the point, they DO have their pitchforks, even if they don’t have their facts.
And, it’s all because stubborn Penn State officials will not let go of Freeh’s false narrative they desperately need to support their knee-jerk reaction to media-manufactured outrage back in November 2011.
The final word — and full explanation of accountability — has to be presented with ultimate authority. In addition, the broader Penn State community must be, once and for all, absolved of the false and horribly insulting label of “Football Crazed Child Rape Enablers”. Right now that is on AG-elect Josh Shapiro come January. OAG officials torched commonwealth citizens, so for now - the "Top Cop" of the OAG needs to repair the damage they did.
I've brought this all up personally with Shapiro.
What I would like from you @getmyjive11 - is who else needs to stand on that national stage with Shapiro and cement that full explanation. Who would you suggest?
But there is the problem. You referenced the Duke LAX case which involved one accuser and a singular incident. It's no longer just about victim #2, but now also about the other alleged victims. Even if it was just about vic 2, I'm not seeing how we get from where we are to where you would like it to be. Most of what you wrote above was assumption based. Not saying it is wrong (only Corbett and Fina knows for sure) but it's still just a theory at this point. How do you go about proving that theory to be true?
All I am saying is that this is an extremely high mountain to climb and one that probably is not scalable.
Here is the story. The Board of Trustees of The Pennsylvania State University FIRED Joseph Vincent Paterno. By doing so, they forever set in stone the narrative that Joesph Vincent Paterno was culpable for allowing Gerald Sandusky to abuse children, while not turning him in to police, to protect his football program from negative publicity.
It is full blown bovine humus, but it is the story all these cretins cling to until the end of time.
The goal is to open minds to indisputable facts, which stand in stark contrast to popular opinion.
Slow down. Of course I like Franco and admire his loyalty and the work he's done to bring the truth to light. Because of his style of speaking he just doesn't come across very good. Ziegler on the other hand is bombastic and a turnoff because of that. They are opposites, 180s, in style of presentation. I thought that was clear. Not being effective has nothing to do with dislike. You got a little ahead of yourself.
Paterno's legacy is for anyone to defend especially those that have or had an emotional attachment to PSU. The fact that you make this statement makes clear you have not one damn clue about morality or PSU.
By the way, I see you attempt to engage in threads on this board only to constantly get your ass handed to you - you may want to adhere to the advice that it is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
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I care very much for Penn State. Joe and PSU are separate things and right now, constantly attack everyone who comments on his role in the scandal does nothing but hurt PSU. Holding a grudge against PSU for how Paterno was treated only hurts PSU. It is what it is.
It isn't what it is. You aren't capable of grasping that. Move on.
You may not want to believe it, but it is. It's a situation that will forever be swimming in a gray area.
Anyone who has 2 brain cells to rub together knows that Joe Paterno is PSU and PSU is Joe Paterno. The fact that you make such a ridiculous statement just confirms you're a moron. Here's hoping someone puts a hurt on you.
Joe, who was your post in response to? It may be someone I have on ignore and can't see. Thanks.
Never mind, Joe. I took Jive off ignore cause I figured it was him. Now I can't put him back on ignore. He gives me agida.
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